{"id":3186,"date":"2010-12-08T06:55:27","date_gmt":"2010-12-08T11:55:27","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?p=3186"},"modified":"2010-12-08T06:55:27","modified_gmt":"2010-12-08T11:55:27","slug":"ikinci-laiklesme","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/akunq.net\/turkish\/2010\/12\/08\/ikinci-laiklesme\/","title":{"rendered":"\u0130kinci laikle\u015fme"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: right\"><strong><em><a rel=\"attachment wp-att-3187\" href=\"http:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?attachment_id=3187\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-medium wp-image-3187\" title=\"Baskin Oran\" src=\"http:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2010\/12\/Baskin-Oran-300x428.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"428\" \/><\/a>Bask\u0131n Oran\u00a0<br \/>\n<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">\u015eu anda, \u00e7ok kimse fark\u0131nda de\u011fil ama, devlete ra\u011fmen T\u00fcrkiye ikinci bir laikle\u015fme yoluna girebilir. Yine Ermeni cemaati tarikiyle.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Hoppalaa diyebilirsiniz. T\u00fcrkiye zaten laik de\u011fil mi, ne ikincisi, ne birincisi? \u00dcstelik \u2018yine Ermeniler eliyle\u2019, nas\u0131l yani? Fazla ters geldiyse ba\u015ftan alal\u0131m.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Bir kere, T\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin laik oldu\u011fu nereden \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131? Din\u2019le koyun koyuna bir devlet. Diyanet \u0130\u015fleri Ba\u015fkan\u0131 Prof. Bardako\u011flu \u201cYasa yap\u0131l\u0131rken Diyanet\u2019e g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015f sormak laikli\u011fe ayk\u0131r\u0131d\u0131r\u201d (F. Kozok, Cumhuriyet, 05.11.10) diyor ve alt\u0131 g\u00fcn sonra g\u00f6revden al\u0131n\u0131yor. \u00dcniversitede bile M\u00fcsl\u00fcman k\u0131zlar\u0131n ba\u015f\u0131na kar\u0131\u015f\u0131rken, ek\u00fcmeniklik kavram\u0131ndan patrik se\u00e7imine var\u0131ncaya kadar gayrim\u00fcslim ilahiyat\u0131na m\u00fcdahale ediyor devlet. En, ama en vahimi, gerek halk gerekse (bin kere yazd\u0131m) Yarg\u0131tay ve Dan\u0131\u015ftay M\u00fcsl\u00fcman olmayana \u201cT\u00fcrk\u201d demeyi reddediyor. Ne laikli\u011fi?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><strong><em>D\u00fcnyada tek kilise <\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">\u0130kincisi, Ermeniler, Osmanl\u0131\u2019da ilk laikle\u015fen (yani sek\u00fclerle\u015fen, yani uhrevi ve d\u00fcnyevi i\u015fleri ay\u0131ran) cemaat oldu. Ermeni Kilisesi de, ruhani \u00f6nderini sivillerin oy\u00e7oklu\u011fuyla se\u00e7ti\u011fi tek kilise d\u00fcnyada. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc 1839 Tanzimat\u2019\u0131n ertesi y\u0131l\u0131ndan ba\u015flayarak, Patrikhane-Soylular (Amira) sultas\u0131na kar\u015f\u0131 cemaatten bir ses y\u00fckselmi\u015fti: \u0130stanbul Ermeni esnaf\u0131. 1844\u2019ten itibaren bu orta s\u0131n\u0131f Karma Meclis\u2019e girdi. 1860\u2019tan itibaren Patrik se\u00e7imine kat\u0131ld\u0131. Frans\u0131z anayasas\u0131ndan al\u0131nan 1863 Ermeni Milleti Nizamnamesi Osmanl\u0131\u2019daki ilk parlamenter organ\u0131 kurdu. Bunun 14 ki\u015filik Ruhan\u00ee Meclis\u2019in yan\u0131 s\u0131ra 20 ki\u015filik bir Cisman\u00ee Meclis\u2019i vard\u0131. Osmanl\u0131 1876 Anayasas\u0131 bundan direkt etkilenmi\u015ftir.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Aradan 133 y\u0131l ge\u00e7ti, 1996\u2019da Agos\u2019un \u00e7\u0131kmaya ba\u015flamas\u0131yla Hrant Dink ve arkada\u015flar\u0131 cemaatte ikinci laikle\u015fme s\u00fcrecini ba\u015flatt\u0131lar. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc \u201claik\u201d devlet yaln\u0131zca Patrik\u2019i muhatap kabul ediyordu. 1934\u2019te Cismani Meclis\u2019in ad\u0131n\u0131 de\u011fi\u015ftirmi\u015f, sonra da yetkilerini \u00f6nce yaln\u0131zca vak\u0131flara indirgemi\u015f, arkas\u0131ndan da vak\u0131flar\u0131 Vak\u0131flar Genel M\u00fcd\u00fcrl\u00fc\u011f\u00fc ve 1936 Beyannamesi uygulamas\u0131yla s\u0131f\u0131rlam\u0131\u015ft\u0131.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Peki, Ermeniler eliyle \u20182. T\u00fcrk Laikle\u015fmesi\u2019? Evet efendim. Hem de, \u201claik\u201d T\u00fcrk devletinin Ermeni patrik se\u00e7imine yine m\u00fcdahalesi sayesinde. Baba Diyalektik. \u015eifreli gibi geldiyse, devletin genlerini yans\u0131tan son m\u00fcdahaleye g\u00f6z atmakla ba\u015flayal\u0131m.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><strong><em>Patrik se\u00e7imine m\u00fcdahale <\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Patrik Mesrob II, akl\u00ee melekelerini Hrant\u2019\u0131n \u00f6l\u00fcm\u00fcn\u00fcn ard\u0131ndan onulmaz ve kal\u0131c\u0131 bi\u00e7imde yitirdi. \u00d6lmeden vefat etti. Konutuna kapand\u0131. Ayinleri onun yerine Ruhan\u00ee Meclis Ba\u015fkan\u0131 Ba\u015fepiskopos Aram Ate\u015fyan y\u00f6netiyordu. Durum art\u0131k cemaatten saklanamaz hale gelince, gelene\u011fe g\u00f6re (\u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc bu konuda resm\u00ee kural yok; birazdan gelece\u011fim) sivillerden olu\u015fturulan ve Y\u00fcksek Se\u00e7im Kurulu gibi t\u00fcm se\u00e7imi sonuna kadar g\u00f6t\u00fcrecek Se\u00e7im M\u00fcte\u015febbis Heyeti kuruldu. Adaylar ortaya \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131. Resm\u00ee ba\u015fvuru yap\u0131ld\u0131. Uzun s\u00fcre beklettikten sonra \u0130stanbul Valili\u011fi cevab\u0131: \u201cPatrik hayattad\u0131r. Mesrob \u00f6lene kadar ancak bir \u2018patrik genel vekili\u2019 se\u00e7ebilirsiniz\u201d. Oysa b\u00f6yle bir makam hi\u00e7 olmam\u0131\u015ft\u0131. \u201cPatrik vekili\u201d makam\u0131 vard\u0131: Ba\u015fepiskopos \u015eahan S\u0131vac\u0131yan.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Konuyu \u0130\u00e7i\u015fleri Bakanl\u0131\u011f\u0131\u2019ndan ve AB Genel Sekreterli\u011fi\u2019nden birer \u00fcst d\u00fczey yetkiliyle uzun uzun konu\u015ftum. \u00d6zetle dediler ki: \u201cCemaat b\u00f6l\u00fcnm\u00fc\u015f. \u0130ki ba\u015fvuru birden geldi. Se\u00e7im M\u00fcte\u015febbis Heyeti yeni patrik istiyor, Ruhani Kurul ise e\u015fpatrik. Hangisine izin versek \u00f6teki k\u00fcsecekti\u201d.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Cevap gelir gelmez Ruhani Meclis topland\u0131 ve ba\u015fkan\u0131 olan Ba\u015fepiskopos Aram Ate\u015fyan\u2019\u0131 \u201cPatrik genel vekili\u201d se\u00e7ti. San\u0131r\u0131m, epey uzun bir s\u00fcre i\u00e7in cemaatin \u2018se\u00e7ilmemi\u015f fiili patri\u011fi\u2019 olarak. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc, bir fikir vermesi i\u00e7in, 1461\u2019den itibaren g\u00f6rev yapm\u0131\u015f 84 patri\u011fin s\u00fcre ortalamas\u0131 6,5 y\u0131l ve Mesrob II, Allah uzun \u00f6m\u00fcr versin, benim 11 ya\u015f k\u00fc\u00e7\u00fc\u011f\u00fcm olarak v\u00fccut\u00e7a sa\u011flam g\u00f6z\u00fck\u00fcyor.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><strong><em>1800\u2019lere geriye <\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Sonu\u00e7: \u015eu anda Ermeni cemaati 1860\u2019lar\u0131n \u00f6ncesine d\u00f6nd\u00fcr\u00fcld\u00fc. Tabii, Baba Diyalektik icab\u0131, bu denli geri gitmek fevkalade ilgin\u00e7 \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fcmlere, bu arada cemaatin aynen Hrant\u2019\u0131n arzu etti\u011fi bi\u00e7imde laikle\u015fmesine hamile. M\u00fcte\u015febbis Heyet Valilik karar\u0131na kar\u015f\u0131 Dan\u0131\u015ftay\u2019a ba\u015fvurdu. Gayrim\u00fcslim vatanda\u015flara \u00fc\u00e7 ayr\u0131 kararda \u201cT\u00fcrk olmayan\u201d demi\u015f olan y\u00fcksek yarg\u0131dan ne \u00e7\u0131kaca\u011f\u0131 belli olmaz ama, bu bir laiklik ve \u015feffafl\u0131k m\u00fccadelesinin ilk i\u015faret fi\u015fe\u011fi. 5.359 ki\u015finin imzalad\u0131\u011f\u0131 bir bildiri yay\u0131mlayan \u201cPatri\u011fimizi Se\u00e7mek \u0130stiyoruz \u0130nisiyatifi\u201d Ba\u015fbakan Erdo\u011fan\u2019a 01.12.2010 tarihli bir dilek\u00e7e g\u00f6nderdi. \u201cErmeni Toplumu&#8217;nun huzursuzlu\u011funu sona erdirecek do\u011fal Patriklik se\u00e7im s\u00fcrecini ba\u015flatmas\u0131n\u0131 talep\u201d etti. 5 Kas\u0131m tarihli Agos, Patrikhane Mali Komisyonu\u2019nun Ate\u015fyan\u2019la ihtilafa d\u00fc\u015ferek topluca istifa etti\u011fini yaz\u0131yordu.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Arkas\u0131n\u0131n gelmemesi m\u00fcmk\u00fcn de\u011fil. Bu s\u00fcre\u00e7, aynen 19. Y\u00fczy\u0131lda oldu\u011fu gibi, T\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin sek\u00fclerle\u015fmesini de tetikleyecek. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc gerek Alevilerin gerekse gayrim\u00fcslimlerin bu kadar anti-laik bir ortama raz\u0131 olmalar\u0131, k\u00fcreselle\u015fmi\u015f d\u00fcnyan\u0131n genlerine ayk\u0131r\u0131.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Gen demi\u015fken, gayrim\u00fcslimlere Kemalistlerden bin kere daha yumu\u015fak yakla\u015fan (mesela, son olarak Heybeliada\u2019da m\u00fclkiyeti Fener\u2019e veren) AKP\u2019nin tutumunu neyle izah etmeli? \u0130ki olumsuzun birle\u015fmesiyle: 1) Millet-i Hakime ideolojisi; 2) \u201cDevlet genleri\u201d. Birincisi \u201cMillet-i Mahk\u00fbme\u201dyi kesinlikle M\u00fcsl\u00fcmanlara t\u00e2bi say\u0131yor. \u0130kincisi ise daha vahim: Gayrim\u00fcslimleri s\u00fcrekli pen\u00e7e alt\u0131nda tutmay\u0131 ilke biliyor. Bu y\u00fczdendir ki patrik se\u00e7imini bir kanuna ba\u011flamaktan bucak bucak ka\u00e7\u0131yor. Gayrim\u00fcslimleri iki dudak aras\u0131ndan o g\u00fcnk\u00fc iradeye g\u00f6re \u00e7\u0131kacak tek bir s\u00f6ze ba\u011f\u0131ml\u0131 tutuyor. \u201cHangisini tercih etsek \u00f6teki k\u00fcsecek\u201d meselesi olsayd\u0131 ke\u015fke.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><strong><em>\u201cBabadan T\u00fcrk, itimada mazhar\u201d<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">27 May\u0131s darbecileri o nisbi demokrasi havas\u0131 i\u00e7inde 18.09.1961\u2019de bir kararname \u00e7\u0131karm\u0131\u015f, \u201cPatrik Se\u00e7imi Talimatnamesi\u201d yapm\u0131\u015ft\u0131. Ama \u201cbir defaya mahsus olmak ve ileriye ait hi\u00e7bir hukuki h\u00fck\u00fcm ifade etmemek kay\u0131t ve \u015fart\u0131yla\u201d. \u00dcstelik, aday olmak i\u00e7in (a) \u015f\u0131kk\u0131: \u201cBabadan T\u00fcrk olan \u015fah\u0131slar aras\u0131ndan\u201d; (b) \u015f\u0131kk\u0131: \u201cT\u00fcrkiye Cumhuriyeti H\u00fck\u00fcmetinin itimad\u0131na mazhar olmak\u201d. Madde 30\u2019da yemin metni bile yaz\u0131l\u0131. \u00dcstelik, Talimatname devletin onay\u0131ndan her se\u00e7imde tekrar ge\u00e7iyor. \u201cAdalet M\u00fclk\u2019\u00fcn [Devletin] Temelidir\u201d diyen devlet kendini hukukla ba\u011flamak istemiyor.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Di\u011fer yandan, AKP h\u00fck\u00fcmeti \u201cB\u00f6l\u00fcnm\u00fc\u015fs\u00fcn\u00fcz, bir t\u00fcr referandum yap\u0131n, hangi fikir \u00f6ne \u00e7\u0131karsa bana bildirin\u201d demiyor. Kendine daha yak\u0131n sayd\u0131\u011f\u0131 ruhaniyi, olmayan bir makama getirecek d\u00fczenlemeyi empoze ediyor. Dahas\u0131, Egemen Ba\u011f\u0131\u015f bile \u201ciki olumsuz\u201da teslim oluyor: Br\u00fcksel\u2019deki \u201cDinsel \u00d6zg\u00fcrl\u00fckler\u201d konferans\u0131nda \u201cH\u00fck\u00fcmet Ermeni Patrik se\u00e7imine neden m\u00fcdahale etti?\u201d sorusuna, \u201cAram Ate\u015fyan Patrik\u2019in sa\u011fl\u0131\u011f\u0131nda en g\u00fcvendi\u011fi dostu idi ve makam\u0131na vekil olarak onu b\u0131rakm\u0131\u015ft\u0131\u201d \u015feklinde cevap veriyor.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Ben Baba Diyalektik\u2019e g\u00fcvenirim. \u201cLaik\u201d bir devlet din\u2019le bu kadar koyun koyunaysa, laikle\u015fmesi ka\u00e7\u0131n\u0131lmazd\u0131r<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><strong>\u00a0<\/strong><strong><em>Kaynak:<\/em><\/strong><strong><em> radikal.com.tr<br \/>\nTarih: 4.12.2010<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Bask\u0131n Oran\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u015eu anda, \u00e7ok kimse fark\u0131nda de\u011fil ama, devlete ra\u011fmen T\u00fcrkiye ikinci bir laikle\u015fme yoluna girebilir. Yine Ermeni cemaati tarikiyle. Hoppalaa diyebilirsiniz. T\u00fcrkiye zaten laik de\u011fil mi, ne ikincisi, ne birincisi? \u00dcstelik \u2018yine Ermeniler eliyle\u2019, nas\u0131l yani? Fazla ters geldiyse ba\u015ftan alal\u0131m. 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