{"id":26835,"date":"2013-11-14T04:31:37","date_gmt":"2013-11-14T09:31:37","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?p=26835"},"modified":"2013-11-14T04:31:37","modified_gmt":"2013-11-14T09:31:37","slug":"dersim-ermeniligi-cok-katmanli-bir-kimliktir","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/akunq.net\/turkish\/2013\/11\/14\/dersim-ermeniligi-cok-katmanli-bir-kimliktir\/","title":{"rendered":"\u2018Dersim Ermenili\u011fi \u00e7ok katmanl\u0131 bir kimliktir\u2019"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><b><a href=\"http:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/11\/G\u00f6k\u00e7en-B.-Din\u00e7.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-26836\" alt=\"G\u00f6k\u00e7en B. Din\u00e7\" src=\"http:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/11\/G\u00f6k\u00e7en-B.-Din\u00e7-300x217.jpg\" width=\"300\" height=\"217\" \/><\/a>\u00d6ZG\u00dcN \u00c7A\u011eLAR<\/b><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><b><i>M\u00fcsl\u00fcmanla\u015f(t\u0131r\u0131l)m\u0131\u015f Ermeniler Konferans\u0131\u2019n\u0131n ikinci g\u00fcn\u00fcndeki \u2018Haf\u0131za, Etnisite, Din: Dersim\u2019 panelinde \u2018Korunan ama D\u0131\u015flanan: Dersim Ermenileri\u2019 ba\u015fl\u0131\u011f\u0131yla, Alevile\u015fmi\u015f iki Dersimli Ermeni karde\u015fin torunlar\u0131 \u00fczerine bir sunum yapan gazeteci-akademisyen G\u00f6k\u00e7en B. Din\u00e7, 2006\u2019dan beri M\u00fcsl\u00fcmanla\u015f(t\u0131r\u0131l)m\u0131\u015f Ermeniler \u00fczerine \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131yor. Din\u00e7\u2019le konferanstan yola \u00e7\u0131karak, Dersim Ermenilerine ve kimlik meselelerine dair konu\u015ftuk.<\/i><\/b><\/p>\n<ul style=\"text-align: justify\">\n<li><b>Konferans sizce ne ifade ediyor?<\/b><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">M\u00fcsl\u00fcmanla\u015f(t\u0131r\u0131l)m\u0131\u015f Ermeniler bug\u00fcne kadar T\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin en b\u00fcy\u00fck tabular\u0131ndan biriydi; devletin Ermeni korkusunun cisimle\u015fmi\u015f haliydi. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc her an \u201cBu insanlar \u00f6zlerine d\u00f6n\u00fcp bizi s\u0131rt\u0131m\u0131zdan b\u0131\u00e7aklayabilir\u201d diye d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcl\u00fcyordu. Milliyet\u00e7ilik de bu korkuyu besliyordu. Bu konferans bununla y\u00fczle\u015fmek, korkulacak bir \u015fey olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 g\u00f6stermek a\u00e7\u0131s\u0131ndan \u00e7ok \u00f6nemli. 2005\u2019teki ilk Ermeni konferans\u0131ndan bu yana \u00e7ok \u015fey de\u011fi\u015fti. \u0130nsanlar rahat bir \u015fekilde gelip konferans\u0131 dinlediler ve deneyimlerini, ac\u0131lar\u0131n\u0131 a\u00e7\u0131k y\u00fcreklilikle payla\u015ft\u0131lar. M\u00fcsl\u00fcmanla\u015f(t\u0131r\u0131l)m\u0131\u015f Ermeniler i\u00e7in bu konferans daha da \u00f6nemliydi, \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc onlar T\u00fcrk\/M\u00fcsl\u00fcman ve Ermeni\/H\u0131ristiyan kimliklerinin kesi\u015fti\u011fi b\u00f6lgedeler ve bu arada kalman\u0131n yaratt\u0131\u011f\u0131 travmay\u0131 payla\u015fma imkan\u0131 buldular.<\/p>\n<ul style=\"text-align: justify\">\n<li><b>Konferans yurtd\u0131\u015f\u0131ndaki Ermeniler aras\u0131nda nas\u0131l bir yank\u0131 uyand\u0131r\u0131r?<\/b><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Diaspora Ermenileri de homojen bir grup de\u011fil tabi, bu konuda farkl\u0131 g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fleri olanlar var. Ama meseleye yayg\u0131n kabul g\u00f6ren Ermeni kimli\u011fi etraf\u0131nda, yani \u2018Ermeni, T\u00fcrk ve M\u00fcsl\u00fcman olmayand\u0131r\u2019 kabul\u00fc ekseninde bakt\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131zda \u015funu s\u00f6yleyebilirim: M\u00fcsl\u00fcmanla\u015f(t\u0131r\u0131l)m\u0131\u015f Ermeniler onlar i\u00e7in bir meydan okuma ve yayg\u0131n kabul g\u00f6ren Ermeni kimli\u011fi sorgulan\u0131yor. Bence bu kimli\u011fin sorgulanabilir olmas\u0131 iyi bir \u015fey. Ayr\u0131ca ulus devlet s\u0131n\u0131rlar\u0131n\u0131n \u00e7ok problemli oldu\u011funu d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnen bir insan olarak M\u00fcsl\u00fcmanla\u015f(t\u0131r\u0131l)m\u0131\u015f Ermeniler ger\u00e7e\u011finin, s\u0131n\u0131rlarla b\u00f6l\u00fcnm\u00fc\u015f halklar\u0131n birbirleriyle olan ili\u015fkileri konusunda da \u00f6nemli a\u00e7\u0131l\u0131mlar sa\u011flayabilece\u011fine inan\u0131yorum. Kimlikler devletlerin tan\u0131mlad\u0131\u011f\u0131 gibi homojen, kat\u0131, de\u011fi\u015fmez de\u011fil \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc. Kimlikler heterojen, \u00e7ok katmanl\u0131 ve ak\u0131\u015fkan; yere, zamana, ki\u015fiye, tecr\u00fcbelere, kiminle muhatap olundu\u011funa ba\u011fl\u0131 olarak dahi de\u011fi\u015febiliyor.<\/p>\n<ul style=\"text-align: justify\">\n<li><b>Sunumunuzda konu edindi\u011finiz Dersim Ermenileri bu kimlik sorununu nas\u0131l ya\u015f\u0131yorlar?<\/b><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Dersim, Osmanl\u0131\u2019dan beri \u00e7ok \u00f6zel bir co\u011frafya. Devletin \u00fczerinde asla tam hakimiyet kuramad\u0131\u011f\u0131 bir b\u00f6lge. Oradaki Ermeni deneyimi ba\u015fl\u0131 ba\u015f\u0131na \u00e7arp\u0131c\u0131 bir hikaye. Dersimlilerin 1915\u2019te Ermenileri korudu\u011fu kabul ediliyor. Erzincan \u00fczerinden kurulan yeralt\u0131 t\u00fcneliyle 20-30 bin Ermeninin Dersim\u2019den Rusya\u2019ya ka\u00e7t\u0131\u011f\u0131 s\u00f6yleniyor. \u00d6te yandan, Dersim\u2019de ya\u015fayan, memleketi Dersim olan Ermeniler de var; k\u00f6y isimlerinden, kilise kal\u0131nt\u0131lar\u0131ndan anl\u0131yoruz bunu. Co\u011frafyan\u0131n ya\u015fad\u0131\u011f\u0131 travmalar\u0131, 1937-38 katliam\u0131n\u0131, darbeleri, ter\u00f6r\u00fc, devletin bitmeyen \u015fiddetini beraber ya\u015fam\u0131\u015flar. \u00c7o\u011fu, farkl\u0131 zamanlarda genellikle bask\u0131lar sebebiyle, bazense g\u00f6n\u00fcll\u00fc, kimlik de\u011fi\u015ftirmi\u015fler ve Alevile\u015fmi\u015fler. Fakat hem halk hem de devlet taraf\u0131ndan ayr\u0131mc\u0131l\u0131\u011fa u\u011fram\u0131\u015flar; bir zamanlar Ermeni olduklar\u0131 her daim hat\u0131rlat\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131 i\u00e7in kimlik par\u00e7alanmas\u0131n\u0131 hep ya\u015fam\u0131\u015flar. Ermenice bilmiyorlar, H\u0131ristiyan de\u011filler, Alevi olarak yeti\u015ftirilmi\u015fler ama ayr\u0131mc\u0131l\u0131k hi\u00e7 bitmemi\u015f, hakaret etmek i\u00e7in arkalar\u0131ndan \u2018Ermeni\u2019 denmi\u015f, \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc maalesef bir insana \u2018Ermeni\u2019 demek, T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de bir hakaret. Son y\u0131llarda kimi vaftiz olup ismini de\u011fi\u015ftirerek Ermeni oluyor yeniden, kimi art\u0131k Alevi olarak an\u0131lmak istiyor, baz\u0131lar\u0131 da kendilerini ne Alevi, ne K\u00fcrt, ne Ermeni, sadece insan olarak, veya devrimci kimli\u011fiyle tan\u0131ml\u0131yor. T\u00fcm bu nedenlerle, az \u00f6nce s\u00f6yledi\u011fim gibi kimliklerin i\u00e7 i\u00e7e girebilirli\u011fi, de\u011fi\u015fkenli\u011fi, \u00e7ok katmanl\u0131l\u0131\u011f\u0131 konusunda Dersimli Ermeniler \u00e7arp\u0131c\u0131 bir \u00f6rnek te\u015fkil ediyorlar. \u2018Ateist\u2019 Ermeni de var, \u2018devrimci\u2019 Ermeni de, \u2018K\u00fcrt Alevi\u2019 Ermeni de&#8230; Alevi kimli\u011fi a\u00e7\u0131s\u0131ndan bakarsak asl\u0131nda Dersim Ermenileri, M\u00fcsl\u00fcmanla\u015f(t\u0131r\u0131l)m\u0131\u015f Ermeni dahi de\u011fil, \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc Dersim Alevili\u011fi, Anadolu Alevili\u011finden \u00e7ok farkl\u0131 ve M\u00fcsl\u00fcmanl\u0131k \u00fcst \u015femsiyesinin alt\u0131nda yer alm\u0131yor. Kimlikler \u00e7ok katmanl\u0131 da olsa, elbette iktidar da kimliklerin bu \u015fekilde i\u00e7 i\u00e7e girmesini, bir anlamda kimlik s\u0131n\u0131rlar\u0131n\u0131n belirsizle\u015fmesini istemiyor. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc sistemin devam\u0131 i\u00e7in insan kimliksiz, kimlikleri silikle\u015fmi\u015f bir varl\u0131k olmamal\u0131, sistem bireye \u2018Nereye ait oldu\u011funu s\u00f6yle\u2019 bask\u0131s\u0131 yap\u0131yor.<\/p>\n<ul style=\"text-align: justify\">\n<li><b>\u00d6nceki y\u0131llar i\u00e7erisinde bir \u00e7ok kez Dersim\u2019e gidip oradaki insanlarla g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmeler yapan biri olarak, sizce zaman i\u00e7erisinde Dersimli Ermenilere dair ne gibi de\u011fi\u015fiklikler ya\u015fand\u0131?<\/b><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Bir \u00f6rnekle anlatay\u0131m. \u00dc\u00e7 y\u0131l \u00f6nce ilk kez Dersim\u2019e gitti\u011fimde saatlerce g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015ft\u00fc\u011f\u00fcm bir insan, bu konferans\u0131 izlemeye gelmi\u015f, kendisiyle burada g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015ft\u00fck. O zaman onunla saatlerce konu\u015fmu\u015ftuk ama ne bu s\u00fcre boyunca ses kay\u0131t cihaz\u0131n\u0131 a\u00e7mama izin vermi\u015fti ne de sonradan hik\u00e2yesini yazmama. Bana \u201cDersim T\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin ba\u015fka yerlerine benzemez, Ermenilik tart\u0131\u015fmas\u0131 i\u00e7in erken\u201d demi\u015fti. \u015eimdi o kadar \u015fey de\u011fi\u015fmi\u015f ki kendisi konferans\u0131 internetten izlemeyi bile tercih etmemi\u015f, do\u011frudan konferansa gelmi\u015f. Art\u0131k \u00e7o\u011fu Dersim Ermenisi k\u00f6keniyle ilgili \u00e7ok daha rahat konu\u015fabiliyor. Ermenilik, Dersim co\u011frafyas\u0131nda \u00fczerinde d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fclen, ara\u015ft\u0131r\u0131lan, merak edilen bir konuya d\u00f6n\u00fc\u015ft\u00fc. Bu noktada, problemleri olsa da Dersim Ermenileri Derne\u011fi\u2019nin de katk\u0131s\u0131n\u0131 itiraf etmeliyiz. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc \u00f6ncesinde Dersimli Ermenileri kimse duymam\u0131\u015ft\u0131; haklar\u0131nda tek bilinen, T\u00fcrk Tarih Kurumu eski ba\u015fkan\u0131 Yusuf Hala\u00e7o\u011flu\u2019nun \u2018Alevi K\u00fcrtler Ermenidir\u2019 diyen ayr\u0131mc\u0131, tehdit dolu s\u00f6ylemi ve d\u00fc\u015fmanca iddialar\u0131yd\u0131.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><b>\u2018Ermenili\u011fe ait di\u011fer alt k\u00fclt\u00fcrler de konu\u015fulmal\u0131\u2019<\/b><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">\u201c\u2018Ermeni\u2019 kimli\u011fi yayg\u0131n olarak \u2018T\u00fcrk ve M\u00fcsl\u00fcman olmayan\u2019, \u2018H\u0131ristiyan\u2019 olarak tan\u0131mlan\u0131yor. Fakat sadece H\u0131ristiyan demek de Ermenileri tam olarak tan\u0131mlayamaz asl\u0131nda, \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc Ermenilerin H\u0131r\u0131stiyanl\u0131\u011f\u0131 i\u00e7inde de farkl\u0131 katmanlar var: Ortodoks, Katolik, Protestan Ermeniler gibi&#8230; Bu gruplar yeterince tan\u0131nm\u0131yor; tarihleri, birbirleriyle, devletle, di\u011fer topluluklarla ili\u015fkileri, farkl\u0131 dinamikleri konu\u015fulmuyor. \u00d6rne\u011fin Osmanl\u0131\u2019n\u0131n Ermenilerin Katolikle\u015fmesini nas\u0131l ve neden engelledi\u011fini bilen \u00e7ok az. Devlet her zaman devlet, topluluklar\u0131n \u00fczerinde kendi siyasi \u00e7\u0131karlar\u0131na g\u00f6re hakimiyetler kurmaya \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131yor; fakat halklar ve iktidara direni\u015f bi\u00e7imleri farkl\u0131. H\u0131ristiyanl\u0131k alt kimliklerine dair \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar, bu kimliklerin tarih i\u00e7erisinde farkl\u0131 deneyimler ya\u015fad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 bize g\u00f6sterecek, Ermenili\u011fe dair bilgimizi art\u0131racak. Bu gibi \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar artt\u0131k\u00e7a umar\u0131m bir g\u00fcn \u00fclkemizde \u2018Ermeni\u2019 kelimesi hakaret olarak kullan\u0131lmayacak.\u201d<br \/>\n<a href=\"mailto:ozguncaglar1@gmail.com\"><b><i>ozguncaglar1@gmail.com<\/i><\/b><\/a><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><b><i><a href=\"http:\/\/www.agos.com.tr\/haber.php?seo=dersim-ermeniligi-cok-katmanli-bir-kimliktir&amp;haberid=6101\">http:\/\/www.agos.com.tr\/haber.php?seo=dersim-ermeniligi-cok-katmanli-bir-kimliktir&amp;haberid=6101<\/a><\/i><\/b><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u00d6ZG\u00dcN \u00c7A\u011eLAR M\u00fcsl\u00fcmanla\u015f(t\u0131r\u0131l)m\u0131\u015f Ermeniler Konferans\u0131\u2019n\u0131n ikinci g\u00fcn\u00fcndeki \u2018Haf\u0131za, Etnisite, Din: Dersim\u2019 panelinde \u2018Korunan ama D\u0131\u015flanan: Dersim Ermenileri\u2019 ba\u015fl\u0131\u011f\u0131yla, Alevile\u015fmi\u015f iki Dersimli Ermeni karde\u015fin torunlar\u0131 \u00fczerine bir sunum yapan gazeteci-akademisyen G\u00f6k\u00e7en B. Din\u00e7, 2006\u2019dan beri M\u00fcsl\u00fcmanla\u015f(t\u0131r\u0131l)m\u0131\u015f Ermeniler \u00fczerine \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131yor. Din\u00e7\u2019le konferanstan yola \u00e7\u0131karak, Dersim Ermenilerine ve kimlik meselelerine dair konu\u015ftuk. Konferans sizce ne ifade ediyor? 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