{"id":26642,"date":"2013-11-04T02:40:04","date_gmt":"2013-11-04T07:40:04","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?p=26642"},"modified":"2013-11-04T02:40:04","modified_gmt":"2013-11-04T07:40:04","slug":"musluman-arkadaslar-iyi-ki-ermeniligimizi-unutturmadiniz","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/akunq.net\/turkish\/2013\/11\/04\/musluman-arkadaslar-iyi-ki-ermeniligimizi-unutturmadiniz\/","title":{"rendered":"“M\u00fcsl\u00fcman Arkada\u015flar, \u0130yi ki Ermenili\u011fimizi Unutturmad\u0131n\u0131z”"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"Gaffur<\/a>Nilay VARDAR<\/a><\/b><\/p>\n

\u00dc\u00e7\u00fcnc\u00fc ku\u015fak m\u00fcsl\u00fcmanla\u015f(t\u0131r\u0131l)m\u0131\u015f Ermeni Gaffur T\u00fcrkan, o\u011fluna dedesinin ismi \u0130brahim’i koydu; \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc dokuz ya\u015f\u0131nda m\u00fcsl\u00fcmanla\u015ft\u0131r\u0131lan dedesinin ger\u00e7ek ismini hi\u00e7bir zaman \u00f6\u011frenemedi.<\/i><\/b><\/p>\n

“‘Bak sen Ermenisin, senin kemi\u011fin bile haramd\u0131r’ diyen M\u00fcsl\u00fcman arkada\u015flar, iyi ki bize Ermenili\u011fimizi unutturmad\u0131n\u0131z. Bizler art\u0131k merak ediyoruz kimli\u011fimizi. “<\/p>\n

B\u00f6yle anlat\u0131yor, m\u00fcsl\u00fcmanla\u015f(t\u0131r\u0131l)m\u0131\u015f Ermenilerin torunlar\u0131ndan\u00a0Gaffur T\u00fcrkan<\/strong>.<\/p>\n

\u015eimdi 48 ya\u015f\u0131nda, d\u00f6rt y\u0131l \u00f6nce vaftiz oldu, hem de 30 y\u0131l sonra a\u00e7\u0131lan Surp Giragos Ermeni Kilisesi’nde.<\/p>\n

O\u011fluna dedesinin ismi \u0130brahim’i koydu; \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc dokuz ya\u015f\u0131nda M\u00fcsl\u00fcmanla\u015ft\u0131r\u0131lan dedesinin ger\u00e7ek ismini hi\u00e7bir zaman \u00f6\u011frenemedi.<\/p>\n

M\u00fcsl\u00fcmanla\u015f(t\u0131r\u0131l)m\u0131\u015f Ermeniler konusu, ilk kez\u00a0 Hrant Dink Vakf\u0131’n\u0131n d\u00fczenledi\u011fi \u00fc\u00e7 g\u00fcn s\u00fcrecek bir konferansta\u00a0konu\u015fulacak.<\/a><\/p>\n

Biz de Diyarbak\u0131r’daki Surp Giragos Ermeni Kilisesi Vakf\u0131’n\u0131n Genel Sekreteri Gaffur T\u00fcrkan’la bulu\u015ftuk.<\/p>\n

\u00c7ocuklu\u011funuzdan beri Ermeni oldu\u011funuzu biliyor muydunuz?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Tabii, \u00e7ocuklu\u011fumuzdan beri m\u00fcsl\u00fcmanla\u015ft\u0131r\u0131lm\u0131\u015f oldu\u011fumuzu ama \u0131rk\u0131m\u0131z\u0131n Ermeni oldu\u011funu biliyorduk. Evde dedemizin soyk\u0131r\u0131mdan kurtuldu\u011fu hep konu\u015fulurdu.<\/p>\n

Hikayeniz dedenizle ba\u015fl\u0131yor?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Biz Batman Sason\u2019un Ramed k\u00f6y\u00fcndeniz. Soyk\u0131r\u0131mdan sonra s\u00fclalemden sadece \u00fc\u00e7 \u00e7ocuk kurtuluyor. Dedem, karde\u015fi ve ye\u011feni. Ye\u011feni annesi al\u0131p Suriye\u2019ye ka\u00e7\u0131yor. Di\u011fer iki \u00e7ocuk burada K\u00fcrt evlerinde b\u00fcy\u00fcyorlar.<\/p>\n

Dedem, K\u00fcrtlerin evinde onlar\u0131n hizmetkarl\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131, \u00e7obanl\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 k\u0131saca t\u00fcm a\u011f\u0131r i\u015flerini yaparak karn\u0131n\u0131 doyuruyor ve kal\u0131yor. K\u00fcrt k\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fcne, \u0130slam k\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fcne g\u00f6re b\u00fcy\u00fcyor. Yani Ermenli\u011finden hi\u00e7bir \u015fey ya\u015fam\u0131yor. Zaten kilise kalmam\u0131\u015f, ortak sosyal ya\u015fam alan\u0131 kalmam\u0131\u015f…Tamamen K\u00fcrtle\u015ferek b\u00fcy\u00fcyor. Babam da bu ortamda do\u011fdu, ama mesela Ermeni annesi ona gizli gizli Ermeni ninniler s\u00f6ylermi\u015f. Biz de bu ortamda do\u011fdu\u011fumuz i\u00e7in anadilimiz K\u00fcrt\u00e7e. Ben de K\u00fcrt b\u00f6lgesindeki \u00e7ocuklar gibi okula gidince T\u00fcrk\u00e7e \u00f6\u011frenebildim. Ermenice ya da Ermenilikle ilgili hi\u00e7bir \u015fey ya\u015famam\u0131\u015f oldum<\/p>\n

O zamanki aileler dedenizi nas\u0131l bir g\u00fcd\u00fcyle korumu\u015flar ?<\/strong><\/p>\n

O zamanlar Ermenilerin t\u00fcm gen\u00e7 k\u0131zlar\u0131 ve gelinleri gruplar halinde getiriliyor. En g\u00fczellerini, en gen\u00e7lerini ikinci, \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcnc\u00fc cariye olarak al\u0131yorlar. E\u015f olarak ald\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131z zaman zaten m\u00fcsl\u00fcmanla\u015ft\u0131r\u0131l\u0131yorlar; ba\u015fka \u015fans\u0131 yok. Ya da o g\u00fcn\u00fcn ko\u015fullar\u0131nda k\u0131rsalda \u00f6rne\u011fin nalbanta ihtiya\u00e7 varsa onu sa\u011f b\u0131rakm\u0131\u015flard\u0131r ve m\u00fcsl\u00fcmanla\u015ft\u0131rm\u0131\u015flard\u0131r.\u00a0<\/p>\n

\u00c7ocuklar\u0131 niye korumu\u015flar? Do\u011frusu zaman zaman ben de \u00e7ok merak ediyorum. Genel anlam\u0131yla o zaman Osmanl\u0131 devletinde dev\u015firmelik vard\u0131. Muhtemelen o mant\u0131kla sa\u011f b\u0131rak\u0131lm\u0131\u015ft\u0131r. Yoksa istense t\u00fcm aile yok edilebilir; \u00fc\u00e7 tane \u00e7ocu\u011fu sa\u011f b\u0131rakmazlard\u0131.<\/p>\n

Vaftiz olarak dinimi de\u011fil kimli\u011fimi vurgulad\u0131m<\/strong><\/h2>\n

Siz 3. ku\u015fak yani, m\u00fcsl\u00fcmanla\u015ft\u0131r\u0131lm\u0131\u015f Ermenilerin torunlar\u0131s\u0131n\u0131z.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Tabii, asl\u0131nda bizim durum biraz dramatik. \u0130lk ku\u015fak zaten \u00e7ocuk olarak kurtuldu, sersemle\u015fmi\u015fti, korkudan ne oldu\u011funu kendilerine dahi s\u00f6yleyemiyorlard\u0131. \u0130kinci ku\u015fak m\u00fcsl\u00fcman olarak do\u011fdu, ne oldu\u011funu bilmeden ya\u015fad\u0131lar. \u00dc\u00e7\u00fcnc\u00fc ku\u015fak olarak biz biraz daha merak etmeye ba\u015flad\u0131k. Biz kimiz, neyiz ? Sorguluyor ve par\u00e7alar\u0131 yanyana getirmeye \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131yoruz.<\/p>\n

\u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc birinci ku\u015fak dedi\u011fimiz insanlar birebir ya\u015fad\u0131klar\u0131 i\u00e7in hi\u00e7 bahsetmezlermi\u015f. \u0130kinci ku\u015fak gizliden gizliye bize anlat\u0131rd\u0131. Bug\u00fcn bizlerin Ermenili\u011fimizi unutmamam\u0131z\u0131n sebeplerinden biri de yine M\u00fcsl\u00fcman \u00e7evrenin bize uygulad\u0131\u011f\u0131 uygulamalar. Mesela insanlar m\u00fcsl\u00fcman olmu\u015f kendini kamufle etmek i\u00e7in; bu y\u00fczden bir m\u00fcsl\u00fcmandan daha fazla namaz k\u0131l\u0131yor. Benim babam hacca gitmi\u015f bir adam ama ne zamanki biriyle bir tart\u0131\u015fmaya girse kar\u015f\u0131 taraf ona \u2018\u2019bak sen Ermenisin, senin kemi\u011fin bile haramd\u0131r\u2018\u2019 diye i\u011fnelemede bulunmu\u015f. Ben de ayn\u0131 \u015feyleri ya\u015fad\u0131m. \u0130\u015fte bu insanlar asl\u0131nda bu i\u011fnemelerle bize Ermenili\u011fimizi unutturmad\u0131lar. Bunu espiri konusu yapar\u0131m; m\u00fcsl\u00fcman arkada\u015flar iyi ki Ermenli\u011fimizi bize unutturmad\u0131n\u0131z diye\u2026<\/p>\n

Peki ne zaman vaftiz oldunuz?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

D\u00f6rt sene \u00f6nce, yani 44 ya\u015f\u0131nda. Dinsel anlamda \u00e7ok iyi biri de\u011filimdir. M\u00fcsl\u00fcmanken de de\u011fildim, \u015fimdi h\u0131ristiyanken de de\u011filim. Yar\u0131n kafana eser dinini de\u011fi\u015ftirebilirsin. Benim esas vurgulamak istedi\u011fim Ermeni kimli\u011fimdir. Sabah ak\u015fam kiliseye gideyim diye vaftiz olmad\u0131m. Bir tepki olarak de\u011fil , tamamen kendi do\u011fall\u0131\u011f\u0131nda geli\u015fen bir durumdu. Biz kimliksel olarak Ermenili\u011fimizin fark\u0131ndaysak, gerisi tercihtir. \u00d6rne\u011fin babam bu ya\u015ftan sonra M\u00fcsl\u00fcman olabilir mi, olamaz.<\/p>\n

Bug\u00fcn 4-5 milyona vard\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnd\u00fc\u011f\u00fcm\u00fcz m\u00fcsl\u00fcmanla\u015ft\u0131r\u0131lm\u0131\u015f Ermeni var. Bir\u00e7o\u011fu Ermeni oldu\u011funu bilmiyor. Kimisi kendisini sadece dar \u00e7evrelerde ifade ediyor. Eskiden kendilerini sakl\u0131yordu insanlar, kendini ifade etme cesaretini bulam\u0131yordu. Hrant’\u0131n cesur ad\u0131mlar\u0131 hayat\u0131na mal oldu ama bir\u00e7ok \u015feyin \u00f6n\u00fcn\u00fc de a\u00e7t\u0131.<\/p>\n

Cemaat yok ama kilise bulu\u015fma yeri<\/h2>\n

Vaftiz oldu\u011funuz Surp Giragos Kilisesi’nin a\u00e7\u0131lmas\u0131n\u0131n nas\u0131l bir etkisi oldu?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Bu kilise Ortado\u011fu’nun en b\u00fcy\u00fck Ermeni kilisesidir. \u015eimdi bu kilisede ilkler ya\u015fan\u0131yor. \u00c7an kulesi y\u00fczy\u0131ld\u0131r yoktu ve bug\u00fcn \u00e7an \u00e7al\u0131yor o kilisede, vaftizler yap\u0131l\u0131yor. Ermeni bir \u00e7iftin ilk d\u00fc\u011f\u00fcn\u00fc de yap\u0131ld\u0131. Ermeni, h\u0131ristiyan, m\u00fcsl\u00fcman bir\u00e7ok ziyaret\u00e7isi var. Kiliseyi sosyal bir bulu\u015fma yerine \u00e7evirmeye \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131yoruz. Cemaat kalmad\u0131 ancak m\u00fcsl\u00fcmanla\u015ft\u0131r\u0131lm\u0131\u015f Ermeniler kiliseye gelip, kendilerini buluyorlar. Paskalya bayram\u0131n\u0131 da kutlad\u0131k.<\/p>\n

D\u00f6rd\u00fcnc\u00fc ku\u015fa\u011f\u0131n nas\u0131l olaca\u011f\u0131n\u0131 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorsunuz, yani sizin \u00e7ocuklar\u0131n\u0131z?<\/strong><\/p>\n

D\u00f6rd\u00fcnc\u00fc ku\u015fak bizden daha \u015fansl\u0131. Bizden daha \u00e7ok kurcalayan, ara\u015ft\u0131ran bir ku\u015fak olmal\u0131. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc bug\u00fcn 1.ku\u015fak ile 4.ku\u015fak aras\u0131nda bir u\u00e7urum var. \u0130kinci ku\u015fak da neredeyse bitti bitiyor. Ermenilere ait k\u00fclt\u00fcrel, sosyal ya\u015fam, sanat, edebiyat , m\u00fczik bunlar\u0131 bilmek benim i\u00e7in \u00e7ok anlaml\u0131. \u00c7ocuklar\u0131n kilisede paskalya kutlamalar\u0131n\u0131 g\u00f6rmeleri \u00e7ok \u00f6nemli. Aileler bir arada yeme\u011fe oturunca HAYMER dedi\u011fimiz bir dua ile ba\u015flar\u0131z, bu semboliktir ama \u00e7ocuklar\u0131m\u0131z bu k\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fc, gelene\u011fi g\u00f6r\u00fcyor benim i\u00e7in \u00f6nemli olan bu.\u00a0<\/p>\n

Bizleri g\u00f6rmek vicdanlar\u0131 tamir edecek<\/h2>\n

\u00c7ocuklar\u0131n\u0131z\u0131n isimleri Ermenice mi?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u00dc\u00e7 \u00e7ocu\u011fum var. Diyarbak\u0131r’da y\u00fczy\u0131l sonra ilk defa bir Ermenice dil kursu a\u00e7t\u0131k. \u00a0Benle birlikte onlar da Ermenice \u00f6\u011frenmeye \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131yor ama zorlan\u0131yorlar. \u0130simleri G\u00fclbin, \u0130brahim ve H\u00fcseyin. Ermenice isim koymad\u0131k \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc ben gen\u00e7 ya\u015fta evlendim, o zaman o isimleri koyacak bilin\u00e7te de\u011fildim. Ermenili\u011fimizi ya\u015famayan insanlard\u0131k biz, Ermeniyiz diye ba\u011f\u0131rmaya \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131yorduk. Bug\u00fcn olsa belki koyabilirdik. \u0130kinci \u00e7ocu\u011fuma 1915’ten kurtulan dedemin ismini koyduk: \u0130brahim. Ama ne ac\u0131d\u0131r ki Ermenice ismini hi\u00e7bir zaman \u00f6\u011frenemedik.<\/p>\n

Sizin varl\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131zdan haberdar olmak Ermeni olmayanlara neyi g\u00f6sterecek?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Bu \u00fclkede bir trajedi ya\u015fanm\u0131\u015ft\u0131r. Bize g\u00f6re bir soyk\u0131r\u0131md\u0131r. Y\u00fczy\u0131l sonra insanlar\u0131n bu trajedinin somut kan\u0131tlar\u0131 yani bizleri bilmesi gerekiyor. Bu bir d\u00fc\u015fmanl\u0131k de\u011fil. Birisi bir g\u00fcnah yapm\u0131\u015fsa g\u00fcnah\u0131n\u0131n fark\u0131nda olmas\u0131 ve herkesin kepini \u00f6n\u00fcne koyup d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnmesi gerekiyor. Bu vicdanlar\u0131n tamir olmas\u0131na yarayacak.\u00a0<\/p>\n

nilay@bianet.org<\/i><\/b><\/a><\/p>\n

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