{"id":26480,"date":"2013-10-30T01:29:24","date_gmt":"2013-10-30T06:29:24","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?p=26480"},"modified":"2013-10-30T01:29:24","modified_gmt":"2013-10-30T06:29:24","slug":"kemal-karpat-ordu-siyasete-karisirsa-yenilgi-kacinilmaz","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/akunq.net\/turkish\/2013\/10\/30\/kemal-karpat-ordu-siyasete-karisirsa-yenilgi-kacinilmaz\/","title":{"rendered":"Kemal Karpat: Ordu siyasete kar\u0131\u015f\u0131rsa yenilgi ka\u00e7\u0131n\u0131lmaz"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"\u0554\u0565\u0574\u0561\u056c<\/a>\u00dcnl\u00fc tarih\u00e7i Kemal Karpat’a g\u00f6re, Balkan Sava\u015flar\u0131 k\u00f6r\u00fc k\u00f6r\u00fcne kaybedilmi\u015f bir sava\u015f. Hoca ma\u011flubiyeti, \u2018\u0130ttihat\u00e7\u0131’ ve \u2018\u0130tilaf\u00e7\u0131’ \u015feklinde ikiye b\u00f6l\u00fcnm\u00fc\u015f orduya ve yeteneksiz subaylara ba\u011fl\u0131yor. <\/i><\/b><\/p>\n

Kemal Karpat<\/a>, eserleri yirmi dilde yay\u0131mlanan, d\u00fcnyan\u0131n tan\u0131d\u0131\u011f\u0131 bir tarih\u00e7i. Osmanl\u0131 \u00fczerine \u00e7ok say\u0131da makaleye ve kitaba imza atm\u0131\u015f bir isim. 88 ya\u015f\u0131nda. \u00d6mr\u00fcn\u00fcn b\u00fcy\u00fck b\u00f6l\u00fcm\u00fcn\u00fc yurtd\u0131\u015f\u0131nda ge\u00e7irdi. 1970’te hoca olarak girdi\u011fi Wisconsin \u00dcniversitesi’nde 2003’te emekli oldu. H\u00e2len Amerika’da ya\u015f\u0131yor, y\u0131l\u0131n bir k\u0131sm\u0131n\u0131 \u0130stanbul’da ge\u00e7iriyor. \u0130stanbul \u015eehir \u00dcniversitesi’nde derslere giriyor. Kendisiyle Etiler’deki evinde bulu\u015ftuk. Balkan Sava\u015flar\u0131 ile ilgili bir sempozyuma haz\u0131rland\u0131\u011f\u0131 i\u00e7in yorgun oldu\u011funu, fazla konu\u015famayaca\u011f\u0131n\u0131 s\u00f6yledi; ama sohbetimize edebiyatla ba\u015flay\u0131nca hoca birden canland\u0131. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc edebiyat\u00e7\u0131 olamamak en b\u00fcy\u00fck yaras\u0131yd\u0131. \u201cEn b\u00fcy\u00fck iste\u011fim edebiyat\u00e7\u0131 olmakt\u0131 ve asl\u0131nda kendimi edebiyat\u00e7\u0131 olmak i\u00e7in yeti\u015ftirmi\u015ftim; ama olmad\u0131.\u201d Zihninde bitirdi\u011fi ama bir t\u00fcrl\u00fc yazmaya ba\u015flayamad\u0131\u011f\u0131 roman\u0131ndan bahsetti uzun uzun. Balkan Sava\u015flar\u0131’na ancak sohbetin sonlar\u0131nda gelebildik. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc konuyla ilgili \u00e7ok makale kaleme alm\u0131\u015f, kitaplar yazm\u0131\u015ft\u0131; her \u015feyi s\u00f6ylemi\u015fti. Karpat, ayn\u0131 zamanda kendisi de bir Balkan muhaciri. Romanya’da Dobruca’n\u0131n Armutlu k\u00f6y\u00fcnde do\u011fmu\u015f. \u0130mam yeti\u015ftiren bir okul olan Mecidiye kasabas\u0131ndaki medreseye devam etmi\u015f. 7 y\u0131l burada e\u011fitim ald\u0131ktan sonra anavatan T\u00fcrkiye’ye gelip Haydarpa\u015fa Lisesi’ne kaydolmu\u015f. Daha sonra \u0130stanbul \u00dcniversitesi Hukuk Fak\u00fcltesi’ni bitirmi\u015f. New York \u00dcniversitesi’nde doktora yapmaya gitmi\u015f ve Amerika y\u0131llar\u0131 ba\u015flam\u0131\u015f. Karpat ya\u015f\u0131na ra\u011fmen din\u00e7 g\u00f6r\u00fcn\u00fcyor, haf\u0131zas\u0131 berrak. Kas\u0131mda Tima\u015f’tan \u00e7\u0131kacak T\u00fcrkiye’nin yak\u0131n tarihini anlatt\u0131\u011f\u0131 kitab\u0131ndan s\u00f6z ediyor. 2 saatlik sobetimizde sorular\u0131m\u0131za dinlenerek, yava\u015f yava\u015f, tek tek cevap veriyor. \u0130lk ba\u015fta yorgunlu\u011fundan \u015fik\u00e2yet eden Hoca, u\u011furlarken \u201c\u0130yi ki geldiniz, bana bir bahar g\u00fcn\u00fc ya\u015fatt\u0131n\u0131z.\u201d diyor.<\/p>\n

-Balkan Sava\u015flar\u0131’n\u0131n 100 y\u0131l\u0131. \u00c7e\u015fitli programlarla sava\u015f\u0131 konu\u015fuyoruz. Bir as\u0131r \u00f6nce ger\u00e7ekle\u015fen bir sava\u015f bizim i\u00e7in neden \u00f6nemlidir?<\/b><\/p>\n

Yaln\u0131z bizim i\u00e7in de\u011fil, Balkan \u00fclkeleri ve b\u00fct\u00fcn Avrupa i\u00e7in \u00f6nemlidir. Balkan Sava\u015flar\u0131’yla bir kere Balkanlar’daki Osmanl\u0131 hakimiyeti son buldu ve Balkan \u00fclkeleri Avrupa’n\u0131n etkisine kolayl\u0131kla girdi. Ger\u00e7i Avrupa \u00fclkeleri birdenbire i\u015fgal etmedi. Ama Avrupa \u00fclkelerinin etkisi son derece b\u00fcy\u00fcd\u00fc. \u0130talya Arnavutluk \u00fczerinde etki sahibi oldu\u011fu gibi nihayet sonunda oray\u0131 i\u015fgal etti. Almanya fa\u015fist rejimleri besledi. Balkan Sava\u015f\u0131’ndan az bir s\u00fcre sonra 1. D\u00fcnya Sava\u015f\u0131 Saraybosna’da patlak verdi ve b\u00fct\u00fcn Avrupa’y\u0131 kapsad\u0131. Bu sava\u015f\u0131n etkilerini T\u00fcrkiye i\u00e7in ayr\u0131, Balkan \u00fclkeleri i\u00e7in ayr\u0131 g\u00f6zden ge\u00e7irmek laz\u0131m. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc etkiler ayn\u0131 olmam\u0131\u015ft\u0131r. Balkan Sava\u015f\u0131 bir kere Osmanl\u0131’n\u0131n \u00e7ok k\u00fclt\u00fcrl\u00fc, \u00e7ok dinli ortak hayat\u0131na son verdi. Sava\u015f, milletleri ortak hayattan ay\u0131rarak tek ba\u015f\u0131na bir \u00fcnite olarak ya\u015famalar\u0131na yol a\u00e7t\u0131.<\/p>\n

-Milliyet\u00e7ili\u011fi k\u0131\u015fk\u0131rtt\u0131 m\u0131 demek istiyorsunuz?<\/b><\/p>\n

Adamak\u0131ll\u0131 k\u00f6r\u00fckledi. \u0130ttihat ve Terakki’nin milliyet\u00e7ili\u011fi ve T\u00fcrk\u00e7\u00fcl\u00fc\u011f\u00fc 1912’den sonra ba\u015flad\u0131. Balkan Harbi oldu\u011fu tarihte \u0130ttihat ve Terakki iktidarda de\u011fildi. Gazi Ahmet Muhtar Pa\u015fa h\u00fck\u00fcmeti, daha sonra K\u00e2mil Pa\u015fa h\u00fck\u00fcmeti ba\u015ftayd\u0131. \u0130ttihat\u00e7\u0131lar \u2018\u00dclke elden gidiyor’ diye bir an evvel \u00fclkeyi kurtarmak i\u00e7in iktidar\u0131 ele ge\u00e7irmek maksad\u0131yla darbe haz\u0131rlad\u0131. Bunun tarihi Ocak 1913’t\u00fcr. Ondan sonra \u2018kurtulu\u015f milliyet\u00e7iliktedir, T\u00fcrk\u00e7\u00fcl\u00fcktedir’ diye ger\u00e7ek manada milliyet\u00e7ilik politikalar\u0131 ba\u015flad\u0131. O zamana kadar bir T\u00fcrk\u00e7\u00fcl\u00fck cereyan\u0131 vard\u0131 ama k\u00fclt\u00fcrel T\u00fcrk\u00e7\u00fcl\u00fckt\u00fc. Osmanl\u0131 Devleti’nde T\u00fcrklerin b\u00fcy\u00fck bir kitle te\u015fkil ettikleri, varl\u0131klar\u0131 inkar edilemez. Ama sahneye \u00e7\u0131km\u0131\u015f de\u011fildi. Sahnede olan Balkan ve gayrim\u00fcslimlerin kimli\u011fi, k\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fcyd\u00fc. Hatta gayrim\u00fcslimler Osmanl\u0131’ya bakarak \u2018Ne kadar geri kalm\u0131\u015flar, milliyet\u00e7i de\u011filler’ diyorlard\u0131. 19. y\u00fczy\u0131l\u0131n ikinci yar\u0131s\u0131nda edebiyat yoluyla bir k\u00fclt\u00fcrel uyan\u0131\u015f ba\u015flam\u0131\u015ft\u0131. Mesela Selanik’te Ziya G\u00f6kalp’\u0131n \u00e7\u0131kard\u0131\u011f\u0131 Gen\u00e7 Kalemler dergisi vard\u0131. Osmanl\u0131 devletinin bir T\u00fcrkl\u00fc\u011f\u00fc vard\u0131 fakat bask\u0131c\u0131 de\u011fildi.<\/p>\n

-Sava\u015f\u0131 kaybetmemizin en b\u00fcy\u00fck sebebi neydi?<\/b><\/p>\n

Sava\u015f ba\u015flamadan k\u0131sa s\u00fcre \u00f6nce, hi\u00e7 gere\u011fi yokken Balkanlar’dan askerlerimizi \u00e7ektik, \u2018koskoca devletiz, bize kimse ili\u015femez’ diye. B\u00f6yle bir tehlike bulunurken sen ordunun bir k\u0131sm\u0131n\u0131 nas\u0131l terhis edersin? Balkan \u00fclkeleri aylardan beri haz\u0131rl\u0131k yap\u0131yor. Topunu t\u00fcfe\u011fini haz\u0131rlam\u0131\u015f. Yine de \u015fahsi kanaatime g\u00f6re Balkan Harbi k\u00f6r\u00fc k\u00f6r\u00fcne kaybedilmi\u015ftir. Osmanl\u0131’n\u0131n da elinde askeri var. Almanlar\u0131n verdi\u011fi g\u00fczel silahlar var. Mevzileri sa\u011flam. Her \u015feyi varken, yeni kurulmu\u015f, daha kimli\u011fi tam belli olmayan \u00fclkelere yenilmek o kadar garip\u00a0 ki. Osmanl\u0131 ordusu galip gelebilirdi.<\/p>\n

-Peki, neden galip gelemedi?<\/b><\/p>\n

Bir ordunun zaferini temin eden kumandand\u0131r. Bir ordu<\/a> kendili\u011finden \u00e7arp\u0131\u015fmaz. Orduda yetenekli subaylar yoktu. Ger\u00e7ekten ordu -siyasetle u\u011fra\u015fmas\u0131 yasak edildi\u011fi h\u00e2lde- hem \u0130ttihat ve Terakki hem de muhalefet saflar\u0131nda alabildi\u011fine siyasete kar\u0131\u015fm\u0131\u015f, mesleki geli\u015fimini ihmal etmi\u015fti. Bazen \u00e7ok az say\u0131da asker<\/a>, yetenekli subay sayesinde b\u00fcy\u00fck bir orduya kar\u015f\u0131 galip gelebiliyor. Pa\u015falar ikiye b\u00f6l\u00fcnm\u00fc\u015f, ordu i\u00e7inde grupla\u015fmalar var. \u0130ttihat ve Terakki’yi tutan ve kar\u015f\u0131 olanlar \u015feklinde. Bir \u00fclkenin ba\u015f\u0131na gelebilecek en b\u00fcy\u00fck felaket ordu ile milleti aras\u0131nda kopukluk olmas\u0131 ve ordunun gruplara b\u00f6l\u00fcnmesidir. Tarihte kar\u015f\u0131la\u015ft\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z ve Osmanl\u0131’n\u0131n devrilmesiyle neticelenen bir durumdur bu. Biz buradan gereken dersleri alm\u0131yoruz. Sonradan i\u015flenen propaganda ile \u2018asker her \u015feyi bilir, asker her \u015feyin \u00fcst\u00fcndedir, askerin kafas\u0131 on sivile e\u015fittir’ gibi s\u00f6ylentilerle kendimizi avuttuk durduk. Ama bu demek de\u011fildir ki bir devletin orduya ihtiyac\u0131 yok. Vard\u0131r. Bilhassa T\u00fcrkiye gibi \u00e7ok problemli co\u011frafyada ya\u015fayan bir \u00fclkenin g\u00fc\u00e7l\u00fc orduya ihtiyac\u0131 vard\u0131r. Ama bu ordunun \u00e7ok iyi e\u011fitilmi\u015f, \u00e7ok iyi kumanda g\u00f6ren, kendini tamam\u0131yla mesle\u011fine vermi\u015f subaylar\u0131n emrinde \u00e7al\u0131\u015fan ordu olmas\u0131 laz\u0131m. Senin subay\u0131n memleketi idare etmeye kalkarsa \u2018ben her \u015feyi herkesten iyi bilirim’ derse o ordudan hay\u0131r gelmez. Bunun ac\u0131 faturas\u0131 Balkan Sava\u015f\u0131’ndan sonra g\u00f6r\u00fcld\u00fc<\/p>\n

-Bu yenilgide \u0130ttihat\u00e7\u0131lar\u0131n pay\u0131 yok mu?<\/b><\/p>\n

\u0130ttihat\u00e7\u0131lar\u0131n pay\u0131 var ama o sava\u015fta \u0130ttihat\u00e7\u0131lar iktidarda de\u011fil. Bu olaylar kar\u015f\u0131s\u0131nda \u0130ttihat\u00e7\u0131lar darbe yap\u0131yor. Ben burada Balkan Harbi’ni kaybettiler diye \u0130ttihat\u00e7\u0131lara pek g\u00fcnah y\u00fcklemiyorum. \u0130ktidarda padi\u015fah taraftar\u0131 pa\u015falar var, az\u0131nl\u0131klar, \u0130ttihat ve Terakki aleyhtar\u0131 toprak sahipleri, zenginler var. \u0130yi niyetliler, demokrasi istiyorlar. Fakat gidi\u015fat\u0131n fark\u0131na varam\u0131yor, durumu anlam\u0131yorlar. Kar\u015f\u0131ndaki adam seni yok etmek istiyor, memleketi b\u00f6l\u00fc\u015fmek istiyor. \u0130ktidarda h\u00e2l\u00e2 eskiyi devam ettirmek isteyen bir h\u00fck\u00fcmet var. D\u00fcnyan\u0131n t\u00fcm\u00fcyle de\u011fi\u015fti\u011fini idrak edemiyorlar. Her \u015feyin g\u00fcll\u00fck g\u00fclistanl\u0131k olaca\u011f\u0131n\u0131 umanlar,\u00a0 Osmanl\u0131 karde\u015fli\u011finin canlanaca\u011f\u0131na inananlar var. D\u00fcnya o kadar de\u011fi\u015fmi\u015f ki \u0130ttihat ve Terakki’nin 1908’de iktidara gelmesini gayrim\u00fcslimlerin bir k\u0131sm\u0131 destekledi ama eski Osmanl\u0131’y\u0131 geri getirmek de\u011fil, kendi mill\u00ee emellerini ger\u00e7ekle\u015ftirecek bir h\u00fck\u00fcmet bekledikleri i\u00e7indi bu destek. \u0130ttihat\u00e7\u0131lar bunu ger\u00e7ekle\u015ftirmedi\u011fi i\u00e7in onlar\u0131n aleyhine d\u00f6nd\u00fc, padi\u015fah taraf\u0131na ge\u00e7tiler.<\/p>\n

-Bir kitab\u0131n\u0131zda \u201cEvlad-\u0131 Fatihan, evlad-\u0131 peri\u015fan oldu.\u201d diyorsunuz.<\/b><\/p>\n

Balkan Sava\u015flar\u0131’ndan \u00f6nce S\u0131rbistan, Yunanistan, Karada\u011f ba\u011f\u0131ms\u0131zl\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 kazanm\u0131\u015f ama gene Osmanl\u0131’n\u0131n elinde Balkanlar’\u0131n b\u00fcy\u00fck b\u00f6l\u00fcm\u00fc kalm\u0131\u015f vaziyetteydi. Sava\u015fla birlikte onlar da gitti. Balkan Sava\u015f\u0131’n\u0131n di\u011fer bir sorunu Makedonya sorunu oldu. Makedonya \u00fc\u00e7e b\u00f6l\u00fcnd\u00fc. G\u00fcney Makedonya’y\u0131 Yunanistan ald\u0131, Kuzey Makedonya’y\u0131 S\u0131rbistan… Madedonya halk\u0131na asimilasyon politikas\u0131 uyguland\u0131.<\/p>\n

-Balkanlardan ka\u00e7 ki\u015fi g\u00f6\u00e7 etti?<\/b><\/p>\n

G\u00f6\u00e7ler, katliam \u00e7ok daha b\u00fcy\u00fck ve hazin bir konudur. G\u00f6\u00e7 eden 450 binin \u00fczerinde, \u00f6ld\u00fcr\u00fclen 400 bin civar\u0131. Korkun\u00e7 rakamlar bunlar. Bunlar\u0131n b\u00fcy\u00fck k\u0131sm\u0131 M\u00fcsl\u00fcman’d\u0131r. Ayr\u0131ca Yahudiler de biraz eziyet g\u00f6rm\u00fc\u015ft\u00fcr. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc Balkan milliyet\u00e7ili\u011fi ayn\u0131 zamanda dine dayan\u0131r ve din farklar\u0131n\u0131 kabul etmez. Bilhassa Makedonya’dan, bug\u00fcnk\u00fc Kuzey Yunanistan’dan b\u00fcy\u00fck g\u00f6\u00e7ler oldu. Bu g\u00f6\u00e7lerin iyi taraflar\u0131 da olmu\u015ftur. \u2018Her felaketin bir de hayr\u0131 vard\u0131r’ derler.<\/p>\n

-\u0130yi taraflar\u0131 derken…<\/b><\/p>\n

Anadolu M\u00fcsl\u00fcmanla\u015ft\u0131, T\u00fcrkle\u015fti. Evvelden hesaplanm\u0131\u015f bir \u015fey de\u011fildi. Balkan Sava\u015f\u0131’ndan sonra, hatta Balkan Sava\u015f\u0131 esnas\u0131nda Bat\u0131 Anadolu’da bulunan Rumlar g\u00f6\u00e7e zorland\u0131. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc d\u0131\u015far\u0131dan gelen insanlara yer laz\u0131md\u0131. Ve nihayet oradan devam eden ak\u0131m 1926’da resm\u00ee Yunan-T\u00fcrk m\u00fcbadelesine yol a\u00e7t\u0131. \u015eimdi bu bizim baz\u0131 ters, \u00e7arp\u0131k g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fl\u00fc adamlar\u0131n nazar\u0131nda \u2018T\u00fcrkler Rumlar\u0131 att\u0131’ \u015feklinde bir anlay\u0131\u015f var. Hi\u00e7 \u00f6yle de\u011fildi. O tarihte Yunanistan, G\u00fcney Makedonya’y\u0131 alm\u0131\u015ft\u0131. G\u00fcney Makedonya’da ekseriyet n\u00fcfus Bulgarlar\u0131nd\u0131. Orada Yunanistan’\u0131n bir Yunan halk\u0131na sahip olmadan tutunaca\u011f\u0131 \u015f\u00fcpheliydi. Yunanistan’\u0131n ba\u015f\u0131ndaki Venizelos oraya \u00f6ncelik verdi. \u2018Buraya ben Yunan getirece\u011fim’ dedi. Ve m\u00fcbadeleye hemen raz\u0131 oldu. Bizim bug\u00fcnk\u00fc b\u00fcy\u00fck \u2018usta’ tarih\u00e7iler o taraf\u0131 g\u00f6rm\u00fcyor. Oran\u0131n halk\u0131 Bulgarca konu\u015fuyordu. Bulgaristan her an oray\u0131 alabilirdi. Bug\u00fcn Selanik taraf\u0131na giderseniz oradaki Yunan halk\u0131n\u0131n Anadolu’dan gitmi\u015f Rumlardan olu\u015ftu\u011funu g\u00f6r\u00fcrs\u00fcn\u00fcz. T\u00fcrk\u00fclerinde, yemeklerinde, k\u00fclt\u00fcrlerinde Anadolu tesirleri ya\u015f\u0131yor. B\u00fcy\u00fck zorluklar \u00e7ekildi. G\u00f6\u00e7men konular\u0131, yerle\u015fmeler ancak \u015fimdi incelenmeye ba\u015flad\u0131.<\/p>\n

-Balkan Sava\u015flar\u0131’nda 450 bin ki\u015fi katledildi, bir o kadar ki\u015fi g\u00f6\u00e7 ettirildi. Biz bunu niye g\u00fcndeme ta\u015f\u0131yam\u0131yoruz?<\/b><\/p>\n

Biz bir yerde \u2018kabahatli’ h\u00fckm\u00fcn\u00fc kabul ediyoruz. \u2018Osmanl\u0131 olarak bu adamlar\u0131n topraklar\u0131n\u0131 alm\u0131\u015f\u0131z’ diyoruz. Hi\u00e7 de \u00f6yle de\u011fil. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc bu topraklara Bulgarlar da S\u0131rplar da sonradan gelmi\u015f. T\u00fcrkler, Hunlar\u0131, Avarlar\u0131 al\u0131rsan\u0131z, onlardan evvel gelmi\u015ftir Balkanlar’a. Bir yerde bir insanla m\u00fccadele ederken onu yaln\u0131z fiziki bak\u0131mdan yenmekle i\u015fi bitiremezsiniz. Her \u015feyden evvel psikolojik bak\u0131mdan yenmeye \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmal\u0131s\u0131n. Hayat\u0131 Bat\u0131’da ge\u00e7mi\u015f, Bat\u0131 \u00fcniversitelerinde ders vermi\u015f, isim yapm\u0131\u015f bir kimse olarak s\u00f6yl\u00fcyorum. Bat\u0131 d\u00fc\u015fman\u0131 de\u011filim. Ama Bat\u0131’n\u0131n kurtulamad\u0131\u011f\u0131 baz\u0131 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnceler vard\u0131r. Ehl-i Salip (Ha\u00e7l\u0131 Seferleri) harplerinden ba\u015flay\u0131n\u0131z \u2018H\u0131ristiyanl\u0131\u011f\u0131n Mekkesi’ diyebilece\u011fimiz yerler bizim elimizde. Kud\u00fcs, \u0130stanbul, Antakya\u2026 Ayasofya duruyor, ayakta. Nereye d\u00f6nerseniz \u0130stanbul’da Bizans kiliseleri var. Biz muhafaza etmi\u015fiz. Onlar bizim camileri yok etmi\u015f. Benim do\u011fdu\u011fum Dobruca’da\u00a0 bir cami kald\u0131. Dobruca’da y\u00fcz bin M\u00fcsl\u00fcman var. K\u00f6ylerde ufak tefek camiler var fakat tek b\u00fcy\u00fck cami kald\u0131. \u2018Osmanl\u0131’dan eser b\u0131rakmayaca\u011f\u0131z’ diye y\u0131kt\u0131lar\u2026 Avrupa eski d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcncelerinden bir hayli uzakla\u015ft\u0131 ama tamam\u0131yla vazge\u00e7medi.<\/p>\n

-Balkanlar’dan g\u00f6\u00e7\u00fc biz konu\u015fuyoruz ama Ermeni tehcirini d\u00fcnya konu\u015fuyor\u2026<\/b><\/p>\n

Ermeni meselesinde de yine bir tarafgirlik var. Ne derseniz deyiniz ikna edemiyorsunuz. Ben birka\u00e7 sene evvel Newyork Times<\/a> muhabiri Stephan Kinzer’le yemek yiyorum. Masada \u015eahin Alpay da var. Ermeni meselesinden s\u00f6z a\u00e7\u0131ld\u0131, ben Ermeni say\u0131s\u0131n\u0131n ne oldu\u011fu hakk\u0131nda \u0130ngiliz vesikalar\u0131na dayanarak bilgi vermek istedim, adam ben konu\u015furken s\u0131r\u0131tt\u0131 da s\u0131r\u0131tt\u0131, \u2018ne yap\u0131yorsunuz arkada\u015f, sa\u00e7ma sapan \u015feyler s\u00f6yl\u00fcyorsunuz’ anlam\u0131nda. Kendi vesikas\u0131na inanm\u0131yor. Bu konuda \u00f6nyarg\u0131l\u0131.<\/p>\n

http:\/\/www.haber7.com\/roportaj\/haber\/1089008-kemal-karpat-ordu-siyasete-karisirsa-yenilgi-kacinilmaz<\/i><\/b><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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