{"id":23859,"date":"2013-06-06T03:37:15","date_gmt":"2013-06-06T08:37:15","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?p=23859"},"modified":"2013-06-06T03:37:15","modified_gmt":"2013-06-06T08:37:15","slug":"turkiyenin-degismesini-fransadaki-yasaya-tercih-ederim","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/akunq.net\/turkish\/2013\/06\/06\/turkiyenin-degismesini-fransadaki-yasaya-tercih-ederim\/","title":{"rendered":"T\u00dcRK\u0130YE\u2019N\u0130N DE\u011e\u0130\u015eMES\u0130N\u0130 FRANSA\u2019DAK\u0130 YASAYA TERC\u0130H EDER\u0130M"},"content":{"rendered":"
\"arsivimage.aspx\"<\/a>Fransa\u2019daki Ermeni lobisinin en g\u00fc\u00e7l\u00fc adam\u0131, \u0130stanbul do\u011fumlu Aleksi G\u00f6vciyan, ge\u00e7en hafta Ankara\u2019n\u0131n sessiz onay\u0131yla 1915 olaylar\u0131 i\u00e7in Taksim Meydan\u0131\u2019nda d\u00fczenlenen anma t\u00f6renine kat\u0131ld\u0131.<\/b><\/div>\n
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\u0130stanbul Kurtulu\u015f do\u011fumlu Aleksi G\u00f6vciyan\u2019\u0131n 14 ya\u015f\u0131na kadar 1915 olaylar\u0131ndan haberi yok, ailesi itinayla sakl\u0131yor. G\u00f6vciyan\u2019\u0131n tarih merak\u0131, Pangalt\u0131 Ermeni Lisesi\u2019nde okurken bir edebiyat dersi s\u0131ras\u0131nda, \u00fcnl\u00fc \u015fairlerin \u00f6l\u00fcm y\u0131l\u0131n\u0131n ayn\u0131 oldu\u011fu dikkatini \u00e7ekince uyan\u0131yor. \u201cNeden hepsi 1915\u2019de \u00f6lm\u00fc\u015f?\u201d sorusuna s\u0131n\u0131fta yan\u0131t alam\u0131yor, hatta azar i\u015fitip yerine oturtuluyor. Ancak vicdan azab\u0131 duyan \u00f6\u011fretmen papaz, Aleksi\u2019yi sonradan odas\u0131na \u00e7a\u011f\u0131r\u0131p olaylar\u0131 anlat\u0131yor. O g\u00fcnden sonra okuyup ara\u015ft\u0131rmaya ba\u015flayan G\u00f6vciyan, o kadar etkileniyor ki liseyi bitirdi\u011finde art\u0131k T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de ya\u015famak istemedi\u011fine karar veriyor. Akrabalar\u0131n\u0131n ya\u015fad\u0131\u011f\u0131 Fransa\u2019ya okumaya gidiyor ve yerle\u015fiyor, Fransa\u2019daki diaspora Ermenileri\u2019ne kar\u0131\u015f\u0131yor. Halen Fransa Ermeni Cemiyetleri Federasyonu\u2019nun ba\u015fkan\u0131. Frans\u0131z Parlamentosu\u2019ndan 2005 y\u0131l\u0131nda \u00e7\u0131kard\u0131\u011f\u0131 soyk\u0131r\u0131m yasas\u0131n\u0131n mimarlar\u0131ndan biri. Bu y\u00fczden de uzun s\u00fcre do\u011fdu\u011fu \u00fclke T\u00fcrkiye i\u00e7in adeta \u2018persona non grata\u2019 yani istenmeyen adamd\u0131. T\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin kendisine uygulad\u0131\u011f\u0131 ambargo Ocak 2007\u2019de Agos Gazetesi Genel Yay\u0131n Y\u00f6netmeni Hrant Dink suikastine kadar s\u00fcrd\u00fc. Ermeni diyasporas\u0131 Dink\u2019in cenazesine gidecek be\u015f ki\u015filik heyete G\u00f6vciyan\u2019\u0131 da koymak isteyince Ankara\u2019da s\u0131cak saatler ya\u015fanm\u0131\u015ft\u0131. Ancak sonunda D\u0131\u015fi\u015fleri gelmesine ye\u015fil \u0131\u015f\u0131k yakm\u0131\u015f, hatta koruma sa\u011flam\u0131\u015ft\u0131. G\u00f6vciyan ge\u00e7en hafta 6 y\u0131l sonra tekrar \u0130stanbul\u2019dayd\u0131. \u00dc\u00e7 y\u0131ld\u0131r Taksim Meydan\u0131\u2019nda d\u00fczenlenen 24 Nisan anmas\u0131na ilk kez kat\u0131lan diyaspora heyetinin i\u00e7indeydi. Yine D\u0131\u015fi\u015fleri\u2019nin sessiz onay\u0131yla.\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n

* Diyasporan\u0131n ilk kez bir 24 Nisan anmas\u0131 i\u00e7in T\u00fcrkiye\u2019ye gelmesinin anlam\u0131 nedir? Neden \u015fimdi?
\n<\/span><\/strong>Elbette \u00f6ncelikli ger\u00e7ek soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131n 100. y\u0131l\u0131n\u0131n yakla\u015f\u0131yor olmas\u0131. \u0130kincisi de, T\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin de\u011fi\u015fiyor olmas\u0131. \u0130nsanlar art\u0131k dedelerinin, ninelerinin Ermeni olabilece\u011fini konu\u015fmaya, bunu ara\u015ft\u0131rmaya ba\u015flad\u0131lar. B\u00fct\u00fcn bunlar olurken \u00fclkeyi y\u00f6netenler de sanki daha rahatlar, sanki insanlar\u0131 \u00f6zg\u00fcr b\u0131rak\u0131yorlar. Bu atmosferin yarat\u0131lmas\u0131nda h\u00fck\u00fcmet bilin\u00e7li bir karar ald\u0131 m\u0131 almad\u0131 m\u0131 onu bilemiyorum. Ama bug\u00fcnk\u00fc atmosferi ge\u00e7mi\u015fle k\u0131yaslad\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131zda bariz bir de\u011fi\u015fim var.<\/p>\n

* \u0130stanbul\u2019daki anma t\u00f6renindeki ortam\u0131 nas\u0131l buldunuz?
\n<\/span><\/strong>Taksim Meydan\u0131\u2019ndaki anma t\u00f6reninde benim en \u00e7ok ilgimi \u00e7eken \u015fey gelen insanlar\u0131n \u00f6nemli bir b\u00f6l\u00fcm\u00fcn\u00fcn Ermeni olmamas\u0131yd\u0131. \u00c7ok farkl\u0131 kesimlerden insanlar vard\u0131. Elbette diyaspora temsilcileri olarak bizim i\u00e7in olduk\u00e7a farkl\u0131 bir 24 Nisan oldu. Bizler ilk defa k\u00fcrs\u00fcde de\u011fildik. Sadece birer g\u00f6zlemci olarak herkesle birlikte yerde oturduk. Burada diyasporadaki t\u00f6renlerden \u00f6nemli bir fark var. Paris\u2019te, Br\u00fcksel\u2019de, Washington\u2019da Ermeniler ayakta olur, ellerinde bayraklar vard\u0131r. Benim de Paris\u2019te elimde hep bir megafon vard\u0131r. Orada insanlar benim verece\u011fim mesaj\u0131 beklerler. Oysa bu kez Taksim\u2019de sadece sustum ve konu\u015fmalar\u0131, \u015fark\u0131lar\u0131 dinledim. A\u011flad\u0131m. Son derece duygusal bir and\u0131 benim i\u00e7in. Bu kez benim yerim ger\u00e7ekten de ne Paris\u2019ti, ne de Erivan. Olmam gereken yer \u0130stanbul\u2019du ve orada oldum. Oradaki herkes bunun yap\u0131labilir oldu\u011funu kan\u0131tlad\u0131.<\/p>\n

TOPLUM DEVLET\u0130N \u00d6N\u00dcNDE <\/strong><\/p>\n

* Sizinle iki \u00fclke aras\u0131nda diplomatik ili\u015fki \u00f6ng\u00f6ren me\u015fhur protokoller imzaland\u0131ktan sonra konu\u015fmu\u015ftuk. O zaman bile bu kadar umutlu ve \u0131l\u0131ml\u0131 konu\u015fmuyordunuz.
\n<\/span><\/strong>Protokoller T\u00fcrk ve Ermeni devletleri aras\u0131nda bir meseleydi. 24 Nisan\u2019da \u0130stanbul\u2019da tan\u0131k oldu\u011fum ise sivil toplumun meselesi. Burada toplumun devletin \u00f6n\u00fcnde gitti\u011fini g\u00f6rd\u00fcm. E\u011fer T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de insanlar bu yakla\u015f\u0131m\u0131 s\u00fcrd\u00fcrebilirse, h\u00fck\u00fcmetlerin halk\u0131n g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015flerini dikkate almak ve pozisyonlar\u0131n\u0131 de\u011fi\u015ftirmek zorunda kalaca\u011f\u0131n\u0131 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorum. Elbette T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de milliyet\u00e7i bir damar var. Ben yetkililerin de bu yakla\u015f\u0131mdan zaman zaman rahats\u0131z oldu\u011funu da d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorum asl\u0131nda. \u0130\u015fte o nedenle 24 Nisan\u2019da Taksim\u2019de g\u00f6rd\u00fc\u011f\u00fcm \u015feyi \u00f6nemsiyorum.\u00a0<\/p>\n

T\u00dcRK DI\u015e\u0130\u015eLER\u0130 BAKANININ YER\u0130NDE OLMAK \u0130STEMEZD\u0130M <\/strong><\/p>\n

* K\u00fcrt sorunu ba\u011flam\u0131nda T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de devam eden s\u00fcreci takip ediyor musunuz?
\n<\/span><\/strong>Evet. Bu alanda epey bir evrim ya\u015fand\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131n fark\u0131nday\u0131m. T\u00fcrk h\u00fck\u00fcmeti asl\u0131nda b\u00fct\u00fcn sorunlu dosyalar\u0131 \u00e7\u00f6zmek istiyor. Zaten Avrupa de\u011ferleri ile e\u015fitlenmek i\u00e7in bunu yapmak durumundalar. Avrupa Parlamentosu\u2019nun soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131 tan\u0131d\u0131\u011f\u0131 o me\u015fhur 18 Haziran 1987 karar\u0131n\u0131 hat\u0131rlay\u0131n. O kararda asl\u0131nda T\u00fcrkiye\u2019den ad\u0131m beklenen d\u00f6rt konu vard\u0131r: 1) Demokratikle\u015fme 2) K\u0131br\u0131s 3) K\u00fcrt sorunu 4) Ermeni soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131n\u0131n tan\u0131nmas\u0131. Abdullah G\u00fcl ve Tayyip Erdo\u011fan bunlar\u0131n hepsini \u00e7\u00f6zebilecek kapasitede siyaset\u00e7iler. K\u0131br\u0131s elbette farkl\u0131 taraflar\u0131 olan bir konu. K\u00fcrt sorununda zaten ad\u0131m atmaya ba\u015flad\u0131lar. Soyk\u0131r\u0131m meselesi de bu dosyalardan biridir. T\u00fcrkiye\u2019deki herkes, h\u00fck\u00fcmet de, biliyor asl\u0131nda ortada bir soyk\u0131r\u0131m oldu\u011funu. Ermeni halk\u0131n\u0131n bir\u015feyin kurban\u0131 oldu\u011funu. Elbette zor bir konu. Tarihin karanl\u0131k bir y\u00fcz\u00fc. Kendimi T\u00fcrk y\u00f6neticilerin yerine koyuyorum da hakikaten T\u00fcrk D\u0131\u015fi\u015fleri Bakan\u0131 olsam ne yapard\u0131m bilemiyorum. Onlar\u0131n yerinde olmak istemezdim.<\/p>\n

* Soyk\u0131r\u0131m tan\u0131n\u0131rsa arkas\u0131ndan toprak ve tazminat talepleri mi gelecek? T\u00fcrk devletinin y\u0131llard\u0131r tezi bu oldu.
\n<\/span><\/strong>Onlar\u0131n durdu\u011fu yere bak\u0131nca, b\u00f6yle d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnmeleri normal. Ancak ger\u00e7ekte tazminat ve toprak talepleriyle soyk\u0131r\u0131m farkl\u0131 \u015feyler. Soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131n tan\u0131nmas\u0131 ahlaki bir sorun. Nas\u0131l Alman Cumhurba\u015fkan\u0131 Willy Brandt Auschwitz’de Yahudi halk\u0131ndan \u00f6z\u00fcr dilediyse, G\u00fcl ya da Erdo\u011fan, ya da her ikisi birlikte Ermeni halk\u0131na \u2018soyk\u0131r\u0131m oldu\u2019 diyebilirler. Tazminatlar i\u00e7inse soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131n tan\u0131nmas\u0131na ihtiyac\u0131m\u0131z yok. Zaten \u015fu anda ABD\u2019de, Almanya\u2019da, hatta T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de tazminat s\u00fcre\u00e7leri i\u015fliyor. T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de tapunuz ve belgeleriniz varsa zaten gidip devlete ba\u015fvurabiliyorsunuz. Toprak talebine gelince uluslararas\u0131 hukuk bunu sadece bir devletin talep edebilece\u011fini s\u00f6yler. Yani diyasporada kimse kalk\u0131p da b\u00f6yle bir talepte bulunamaz. Bu konuda bir ba\u015fvuruyu teknik olarak sadece Ermenistan Cumhuriyeti yapabilir. \u015eu anda b\u00f6yle bir \u015fey yapan da isteyen de yok.<\/p>\n

T\u00dcRK\u0130YE AY \u00dcST\u00dcNDE HAK \u0130DD\u0130A ED\u0130YOR MU? <\/strong><\/p>\n

* Ama T\u00fcrkiye, Ermenistan ulusal armas\u0131nda A\u011fr\u0131 Da\u011f\u0131 olmas\u0131n\u0131 toprak talebi olarak yorumluyor.\u00a0
\n<\/span><\/strong>T\u00fcrk bayra\u011f\u0131n\u0131n \u00fczerinde de ay ve y\u0131ld\u0131z var. \u015eu durumda T\u00fcrkiye ay \u00fczerinde hak talep etmi\u015f mi oluyor? Ararat Da\u011f\u0131, Ermeni tarihine ait \u00f6nemli bir unsur. Ararat Da\u011f\u0131 sadece bizim tarihimize de\u011fil t\u00fcm insanl\u0131\u011f\u0131n tarihine ait.<\/p>\n

T\u00dcRK H\u00dcK\u00dcMET\u0130YLE DOLAYLI TEMASIMIZ OLDU <\/strong><\/p>\n

* Protokollerin imzaland\u0131\u011f\u0131 d\u00f6nemde T\u00fcrkiye\u2019deki tart\u0131\u015fmalarda hep \u2018Ermenistan ba\u015fka, diyaspora ba\u015fka. Sorunlar diyasporadan kaynaklan\u0131yor\u2019 vurgusu \u00f6ne \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131. Nedir o fark? <\/strong>
\n<\/span>Hi\u00e7bir fark yok. Soyk\u0131r\u0131m meselesi Ermenistan\u2019\u0131n ya da diyasporan\u0131n meselesi de\u011fil. Ermenilerin meselesi. D\u00fcnyadaki Ermeniler i\u00e7in bir Ermenistan var ki oras\u0131 memleket. Bir de T\u00fcrkiye var ki o da k\u00f6kler. B\u00fct\u00fcn Ermenilerin k\u00f6kenleri bu topraklard\u0131r. \u0130stanbul\u2019dur, Konya\u2019d\u0131r, Samsun\u2019dur, Malatya\u2019d\u0131r, Mu\u015f\u2019tur. Ermeniler bu co\u011frafyan\u0131n her bir taraf\u0131ndand\u0131r. \u2018Diyaspora farkl\u0131\u2019 demek ger\u00e7ek d\u0131\u015f\u0131d\u0131r. Bug\u00fcn art\u0131k T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de \u2018iyaspora \u015f\u00f6yledir, Ermeniler b\u00f6yledir\u2019 denmesi insanlar\u0131 rahats\u0131z ediyor. Bunu g\u00f6rebiliyoruz. Bakanlar\u0131n bile art\u0131k b\u00f6yle d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnmedi\u011fini biliyoruz.<\/p>\n

* Nereden biliyorsunuz? Diyaspora olarak T\u00fcrk h\u00fck\u00fcmetiyle herhangi bir temas\u0131n\u0131z oldu mu?
\n<\/span><\/strong>Yak\u0131nlarda hay\u0131r. Ge\u00e7mi\u015fte evet.<\/p>\n

* Nas\u0131l?
\n<\/span><\/strong>Dolayl\u0131 y\u00f6ntemlerle mesajlar geldi gitti diyelim. Sonu\u00e7ta Ermeni sorunu y\u00fcz\u00fcnden ya\u015fananlardan s\u0131k\u0131nt\u0131 duyduklar\u0131n\u0131 biliyorum. En \u00f6nemlisi soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131n tan\u0131nmas\u0131d\u0131r. \u0130kinci a\u015famada da devletler kendi aralar\u0131ndaki sorunlar\u0131 \u00e7\u00f6zebilirler. Bak\u0131n bug\u00fcn \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fclen hi\u00e7bir \u015fey yok. Hi\u00e7bir \u015fey \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fclmedi ama bir yandan bir\u00e7ok \u015fey oluyor. Bu da ayr\u0131 enteresan bir durum.<\/p>\n

G\u00dcYA D\u0130PLOMAT\u0130K \u0130L\u0130\u015eK\u0130 YOK AMA HER\u015eEY VAR <\/strong><\/p>\n

* \u2018Bir\u00e7ok \u015fey oluyor\u2019 derken ticareti, u\u00e7u\u015flar\u0131 falan m\u0131 kastediyorsunuz? Yoksa bilmedi\u011fimiz ba\u015fka bir \u015fey mi var?
\n<\/span><\/strong>Yok bilmedi\u011finiz bir\u015fey de\u011fil. U\u00e7u\u015flar, turizm, i\u015f yapanlar. G\u00fcya diplomatik ili\u015fki yok ama her\u015fey var. G\u00fcya Ermeni meselesi T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de tabu ama 24 Nisan\u2019da \u0130stanbul\u2019un kalbinde kalabal\u0131k bir anma yap\u0131l\u0131yor. Bunlar sizin \u00fclkenizim paradokslar\u0131. D\u0131\u015fardan bakan bunlar\u0131n nas\u0131l ayn\u0131 anda olabilece\u011fini anlamayamaz. Avrupa\u2019da b\u00f6yle gri alanlar yoktur. Siyah ya da beyazd\u0131r her\u015fey. Ama Ortado\u011fu\u2019da olabiliyor i\u015fte.<\/p>\n

* ABD Ba\u015fkan\u0131 bu y\u0131l da soyk\u0131r\u0131m kelimesini telaffuz etmedi. Soyk\u0131r\u0131m demesiyle \u2018B\u00fcy\u00fck Felaket\u2019 anlam\u0131na gelen \u2018Meds Yeghern\u2019 ifadesini kullanmas\u0131 aras\u0131ndaki fark nedir sizler i\u00e7in?
\n<\/span><\/strong>Obama siyasete girdi\u011finden beri b\u00fct\u00fcn konu\u015fmalar\u0131nda \u2018soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u2019 dedi asl\u0131nda. Soyk\u0131r\u0131m anlam\u0131na gelen t\u00fcm kelimeleri ve ifadeleri kulland\u0131 ama soyk\u0131r\u0131m demedi. Herkes biliyor ki o kulland\u0131\u011f\u0131 kelimeler soyk\u0131r\u0131m demek. Ama T\u00fcrk yetkililer al\u0131nmas\u0131n diye soyk\u0131r\u0131m kelimesini kullanmad\u0131 i\u015fte.<\/p>\n

* Madem o anlama gelecek ifadeler kullan\u0131yor, o zaman neden Ermeniler bunu bu kadar b\u00fcy\u00fck mesele haline getiriyor?
\n<\/span><\/strong>Amerikan Ba\u015fkan\u0131n\u0131n ne dedi\u011fi elbette \u00f6nemlidir. Burada sorun etti\u011fimiz ne deyip ne demeyece\u011fine T\u00fcrkiye y\u00fcz\u00fcnden karar veriyor olmas\u0131. \u0130stede de T\u00fcrkiye olay yapacak diye kullanm\u0131yor olmas\u0131. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc T\u00fcrkler \u015f\u00f6yle diyor; \u2018Ne dersen de ama ne olur S ile ba\u015flayan o kelimeyi kullanma\u2019. Bak\u0131n ABD\u2019nin ve di\u011fer \u00fclkelerin soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131 tan\u0131mas\u0131 elbette \u00f6nemlidir. Ama daha \u00f6nemli olan T\u00fcrk halk\u0131n\u0131n ve h\u00fck\u00fcmetinin ne dedi\u011fidir. T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de insanlar\u0131n tarihini bilmesi gerekiyor. 1923\u2019te tarih yeniden yaz\u0131ld\u0131. En az\u0131ndan \u00f6nemli b\u00f6l\u00fcmleri yeniden yaz\u0131ld\u0131. Atat\u00fcrk \u00fclkenizin modernle\u015fmesi, laikle\u015fmesi gibi alanlarda \u00e7ok iyi bir i\u015f yapt\u0131. Ama i\u015fte tarihin baz\u0131 b\u00f6l\u00fcmlerini yeniden yazd\u0131 \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc milliyet\u00e7i bir e\u011filim vermesi gerekiyordu yeni devlete. Olduk\u00e7a zor bir s\u00fcre\u00e7ti. Bunu anlayabiliyorum. Ama bug\u00fcn art\u0131k bu mesele \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fclebilir.<\/p>\n

AVRUPA\u2019DA GOEBBELS MEYDANI D\u0130YE B\u0130R\u015eEY OLAMAZ<\/strong><\/p>\n

* T\u00fcrkiye nas\u0131l bir ifade kullan\u0131rsa bu kabul edilebilir olur ve dosya kapan\u0131r?
\n<\/span><\/strong>Sadece \u2018evet bir soyk\u0131r\u0131m oldu\u2019 denmesi yeterli. Bu kadar. Biz de sonra affederiz. Affetmek meselesi yanl\u0131\u015f anla\u015f\u0131lmas\u0131n. Affedece\u011fimiz zaten bug\u00fcnk\u00fc T\u00fcrk insan\u0131 de\u011fil. Onlarla bir sorunumuz yok ki. Affedece\u011fimiz \u015fey ge\u00e7mi\u015fte yap\u0131lanlar. T\u00fcrk tarihinin \u00f6zel bir d\u00f6neminden bahsediyoruz. \u0130ttihat ve Terakki d\u00f6nemi ile bizim sorunumuz. Talat Pa\u015fa\u2019n\u0131n, Enver Pa\u015fa\u2019n\u0131n bunu planlad\u0131\u011f\u0131 s\u00f6ylenebilir. Elbette bir g\u00fcn bu olursa, o zaman o ki\u015filerin isimlerini ta\u015f\u0131yan sokak ve caddelerin de\u011fi\u015ftirilmesi de gerekmez mi? Mesela Ankara\u2019daki Talatpa\u015fa Bulvar\u0131. D\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnsenize Avrupa\u2019da herhangi bir \u015fehrin g\u00f6be\u011finde Goebbels meydan\u0131 olsa ya da G\u00f6ring bulvar\u0131. \u015eakas\u0131n\u0131 bile yapamazs\u0131n\u0131z. T\u00fcrkiye bunlar\u0131 de\u011fi\u015ftirmeli, bu zihniyeti de\u011fi\u015ftirmeli. Ve bunu yaparken de \u00e7abuk olmal\u0131 \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc iki y\u0131l sonra 2015.<\/p>\n

* Neye haz\u0131rlan\u0131yorsunuz, ne olacak 2015\u2019de?
\n<\/span><\/strong>Size s\u00f6ylememi beklemiyorsunuz heralde. (G\u00fcl\u00fcyor) 2015 i\u00e7in pek \u00e7ok toplant\u0131 ve aktivite planl\u0131yoruz. Bunlar\u0131 T\u00fcrkiye ile birlikte ya da T\u00fcrkiyesiz yapabiliriz. T\u00fcrk h\u00fck\u00fcmeti ile ya da onlar olmadan.<\/p>\n

* T\u00fcrk h\u00fck\u00fcmeti ile birlikte d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcncesi biraz fazla iddial\u0131 de\u011fil mi?
\n<\/span><\/strong>Bence T\u00fcrk h\u00fck\u00fcmeti insiyatif alabilir. Zaman\u0131 geldi. 100 y\u0131l \u00f6nceydi her\u015fey.<\/p>\n

* B\u00fct\u00fcn bu anlatt\u0131klar\u0131n\u0131zdan diyasporan\u0131n T\u00fcrk devleti ile diyalo\u011fa haz\u0131r oldu\u011funu, hatta bunu istedi\u011fini hissettim.
\n<\/span><\/strong>Bence herkes haz\u0131r. Ermenistan devleti de, diyaspora da. Bu bir davetten \u00e7ok bir dilek asl\u0131nda. T\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin ge\u00e7mi\u015fiyle y\u00fczle\u015fmesinin ve bu meseleyi 2015\u2019ten \u00f6nce \u00e7\u00f6zmesinin zaman\u0131 geldi. Ben onlarla konu\u015fabilirim. Ama konu\u015fmak istiyorlarsa bu benim soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131 tart\u0131\u015faca\u011f\u0131m anlam\u0131na gelmez. \u2018Acaba soyk\u0131r\u0131m var m\u0131yd\u0131 gel tart\u0131\u015fal\u0131m\u2019 diyen birisiyle konu\u015facak bir\u015feyim yoktur. 100 y\u0131l sonra b\u00f6yle bir soru sorabiliyor olmak anlams\u0131zd\u0131r. D\u00fcnyadaki herkes bu sorunun yan\u0131t\u0131n\u0131 biliyor.<\/p>\n

T\u00dcRK\u0130YE\u2019N\u0130N DE\u011e\u0130\u015eMES\u0130N\u0130 FRANSA\u2019DA \u00c7IKACAK YASAYA TERC\u0130H EDER\u0130M <\/strong><\/p>\n

* Belki T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de eskiye oranla daha \u00e7ok sesli bir ortam var ama siz 24 Nisan\u2019da Taksim\u2019deyken az \u00f6tenizde milliyet\u00e7iler kar\u015f\u0131 bir eylem d\u00fczenliyordu. Benzer tepkileri K\u00fcrt meselesi ba\u011flam\u0131nda da s\u0131k s\u0131k g\u00f6r\u00fcyoruz. T\u00fcrk h\u00fck\u00fcmetinin iki riski ayn\u0131 anda alabilece\u011fine ger\u00e7ekten inan\u0131yor musunuz?
\n<\/span><\/strong>Bilmiyorum ama bence almal\u0131. Bu bir risk midir? Bir risk de\u011fil bir karard\u0131r ama elbette riskli bir karard\u0131r. Belki ger\u00e7ekten \u2018\u00fclkeyi sat\u0131yorsunuz\u2019 falan diyenler \u00e7\u0131kacakt\u0131r. Daha \u00f6nce de s\u00f6yledim T\u00fcrk siyaset\u00e7ilerin yerinde ger\u00e7ekten de olmak istemezdim. Ama sonu\u00e7ta bir g\u00fcn bunu \u00e7\u00f6zmeleri gerekecek, b\u00f6yle devam edemezler. Biz de onlara yard\u0131m edebiliriz. E\u011fer sivil toplum ger\u00e7ekten de demokrasinin motoru olmay\u0131 ba\u015far\u0131rsa o zaman h\u00fck\u00fcmetler cesaretlenecektir. A\u00e7\u0131k\u00e7as\u0131 ben T\u00fcrk h\u00fck\u00fcmetinin \u00e7izgisinden bu i\u015fi \u00e7\u00f6zmeye niyetleri oldu\u011funu hissediyorum.<\/p>\n

* Fransa\u2019daki soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131n inkar\u0131n\u0131 su\u00e7 sayan yasa tasar\u0131s\u0131n\u0131 yeniden g\u00fcndeme getirmeye \u00e7al\u0131\u015facak m\u0131s\u0131n\u0131z?
\n<\/span><\/strong>Elbette yeniden g\u00fcndeme gelmesi gerek ama oradaki Anayasa Mahkemesi p\u00fcr\u00fcz\u00fcn\u00fcn a\u015f\u0131lmas\u0131 laz\u0131m \u015fu noktada. Ama asl\u0131nda \u00e7ok da \u00f6nemli de\u011fil biliyor musunuz. Ben Fransa\u2019da \u00e7\u0131kacak bir yasa yerine T\u00fcrk h\u00fck\u00fcmetinin yakla\u015f\u0131m\u0131n\u0131n de\u011fi\u015fmesini tercih ederim. O yasalar\u0131 biz T\u00fcrkiye devaml\u0131 \u2018soyk\u0131r\u0131m yoktu\u2019 dedi\u011fi i\u00e7in \u00e7\u0131kartmak istiyoruz. O t\u00fcr yasalar\u0131n bizim a\u00e7\u0131m\u0131zdan k\u0131ymeti Ermenilerin an\u0131lar\u0131n\u0131n inkar\u0131n\u0131 engellemektir. Inkar olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131 zaman yasalara da ihtiya\u00e7 olmaz.<\/p>\n

HRANT T\u00dcRK\u0130YE\u2019DE \u0130Y\u0130 VATANDA\u015eIN B\u0130R SEMBOL\u00dcYD\u00dc\u00a0 <\/strong><\/p>\n

* Sizin i\u00e7in Hrant Dink neyin sembol\u00fc?
\n<\/span><\/strong>Benim i\u00e7in Hrant T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de bir vatanda\u015f\u0131n nas\u0131l olmas\u0131 gerekti\u011finin sembol\u00fc. Ger\u00e7ek bir vatanda\u015f.<\/p>\n

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