{"id":22457,"date":"2013-03-21T02:49:57","date_gmt":"2013-03-21T07:49:57","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?p=22457"},"modified":"2013-03-21T02:49:57","modified_gmt":"2013-03-21T07:49:57","slug":"demirtas-ocalanla-gorusmeyi-anlatti","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/akunq.net\/turkish\/2013\/03\/21\/demirtas-ocalanla-gorusmeyi-anlatti\/","title":{"rendered":"Demirta\u015f, \u00d6calan’la g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmeyi anlatt\u0131"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"Demirta\u015f,<\/a>‘BEN \u00dcZER\u0130ME D\u00dc\u015eEN\u0130 YAPIYORUM, MECL\u0130S DE YAPMALI’<\/b><\/p>\n

PKK Lideri Abdullah \u00d6calan’la \u0130mral\u0131’da g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fen BDP E\u015f Genel Ba\u015fkan\u0131 Selahattin Demirta\u015f, 3. toplant\u0131da konu\u015fulanlar\u0131 \u00d6zg\u00fcr G\u00fcndem Gazetesi’ne anlatt\u0131.<\/i><\/strong><\/p>\n

Demirta\u015f, \u00d6calan’\u0131n kendilerine, “Ben \u00fczerime d\u00fc\u015feni yap\u0131yorum, h\u00fck\u00fcmet bu f\u0131rsat\u0131 ka\u00e7\u0131rmamal\u0131, Meclis de \u00fczerine d\u00fc\u015feni yapmal\u0131. Bu bir isyand\u0131r, ben de isyan\u0131n lideriyim” dedi\u011fini aktard\u0131.<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u00d6zg\u00fcr G\u00fcndem gazetesinin Demirta\u015f ile yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131 r\u00f6portaj \u015f\u00f6yle:<\/p>\n

Say\u0131n \u00d6calan’\u0131n \u00e7a\u011fr\u0131 yapaca\u011f\u0131 Amed Newroz’una g\u00fcnler kala 3. g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fme ger\u00e7ekle\u015fti. Kamuoyu, sizin Say\u0131n \u00d6calan’la neler konu\u015ftu\u011funuzu merak ediyor.<\/strong>..<\/p>\n

\u00d6ncelikle \u0130mral\u0131’da yap\u0131lan g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmeleri biz \u00f6zellikle toplant\u0131 olarak de\u011ferlendiriyoruz. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc Say\u0131n \u00d6calan da oradaki g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmeyi bir toplant\u0131 olarak de\u011ferlendirmeyi daha uygun buldu. Bu s\u0131radan bir mahkum ziyaretinin \u00f6tesinde ciddi bir siyasal geli\u015fmenin siyasi a\u015famas\u0131d\u0131r. BDP heyetinin Say\u0131n \u00d6calan ile yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131 \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcnc\u00fc toplant\u0131 demek belki daha do\u011fru olur \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc bundan sonra e\u011fer s\u00fcre\u00e7 ilerlerse \u00e7ok farkl\u0131 kesimlerle \u0130mral\u0131’da toplant\u0131lar ger\u00e7ekle\u015ftirilmesi gerekecek. Bu yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z toplant\u0131 Newroz \u00f6ncesine denk geldi. \u00d6ncelikle Say\u0131n \u00d6calan t\u00fcm halk\u0131n Newroz’unu kutlad\u0131, selamlar\u0131n\u0131 ve sevgilerini iletti. Sa\u011fl\u0131\u011f\u0131 gayet iyiydi. G\u00f6z ya\u015farmas\u0131 d\u0131\u015f\u0131nda \u015fu anda ciddi bir sa\u011fl\u0131k sorunu yok. Son derece moralliydi. \u00c7ok heyecanl\u0131yd\u0131. Bizim a\u00e7\u0131m\u0131zdan da san\u0131yorum onun a\u00e7\u0131s\u0131ndan da son derece keyifli bir toplant\u0131 oldu. S\u00fcreci uzun uzun de\u011ferlendirdi. Kendi \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fcm kararl\u0131l\u0131\u011f\u0131, \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fcm yakla\u015f\u0131m\u0131, \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fcm iradesinden s\u00f6z etti. Ger\u00e7ekten de silahs\u0131z, kimsenin \u00f6lmedi\u011fi bir \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fcmde ne kadar kararl\u0131, ne kadar \u0131srarc\u0131 oldu\u011funu bu toplant\u0131da da bir kez daha biz g\u00f6zlerimizle g\u00f6rm\u00fc\u015f olduk. Mesaj\u0131 daha \u00e7ok h\u00fck\u00fcmeteydi tabii. B\u00fct\u00fcn bu g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fme boyunca AKP h\u00fck\u00fcmetinin bu f\u0131rsat\u0131 ka\u00e7\u0131rmamas\u0131 gerekti\u011finden bahsediyordu. H\u00fck\u00fcmetin ve Parlamento’nun \u00fczerine d\u00fc\u015fen g\u00f6revleri h\u0131zl\u0131 bir \u015fekilde yapmas\u0131 halinde hi\u00e7bir provokasyona f\u0131rsat verilmeden \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fcmde \u00e7ok h\u0131zl\u0131 bir \u015fekilde ilerlenebilece\u011fini belirtti. Tabii burada kendisi de AKP h\u00fck\u00fcmetinin ve Parlamento’nun, bu ad\u0131mlar\u0131 at\u0131p atmayaca\u011f\u0131ndan y\u00fczde y\u00fcz emin de\u011fildi.<\/p>\n

Bu ad\u0131mlar dedi\u011finiz tam olarak neler?<\/strong><\/p>\n

AKP ve devletin eskiye g\u00f6re daha ciddi bir yakla\u015f\u0131ma kavu\u015ftu\u011funu belirtti. Fakat \u00f6rne\u011fin \u015f\u00f6yle bir tan\u0131m\u0131 vard\u0131; sonu\u00e7ta bu bir isyand\u0131r. Neredeyse 40 y\u0131ld\u0131r devam eden bir isyand\u0131r. \u015eimdi bu isyan\u0131 bitirece\u011fiz. Ben bitirmekte kararl\u0131y\u0131m. Fakat Parlamento bu isyan\u0131n bitmesi i\u00e7in kararlar alabilecek mi? \u00d6rne\u011fin geri \u00e7ekilmeyle ilgili komisyonlar\u0131n kurulmas\u0131yla ilgili \u00e7at\u0131\u015fmas\u0131zl\u0131k ve silah b\u0131rakma a\u015famalar\u0131na dair parlamento g\u00fcvence veren kararlar alabilecek mi? Ve bu \u00e7at\u0131\u015fmas\u0131zl\u0131\u011f\u0131 s\u00fcrekli hale getirebilecek, kal\u0131c\u0131 bar\u0131\u015f\u0131 sa\u011flayabilecek ad\u0131mlar atabilecek mi? B\u00fct\u00fcn bunlar\u0131 g\u00f6rece\u011fiz dedi. Bu d\u00f6nemin 1921 Ko\u00e7giri \u0130syan\u0131’n\u0131 hat\u0131rlatt\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 s\u00f6yledi. Tam olarak benzemese de o d\u00f6nemde Parlamento, Ko\u00e7giri \u0130syan\u0131’n\u0131n bitmesi i\u00e7in isyan liderleriyle g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015f\u00fcyor. \u0130syan\u0131n sona ermesi i\u00e7in Parlamento baz\u0131 yasalar \u00e7\u0131kart\u0131yor. H\u00fck\u00fcmet ve Parlamento bu i\u015fe ciddi yakla\u015f\u0131rsa ben \u00e7ok ciddiyim \u00e7ok kararl\u0131y\u0131m diyor. Art\u0131k kan akmamal\u0131 diyor. Bir de \u015f\u00f6yle bir yakla\u015f\u0131m\u0131 vard\u0131 bu konuda; bug\u00fcne kadar denedikleri b\u00fct\u00fcn \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fcm aray\u0131\u015flar\u0131nda kendisinin d\u0131\u015flanmaya, zay\u0131flat\u0131lmaya \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131, etraf\u0131n\u0131n, alt\u0131n\u0131n bo\u015falt\u0131lmaya \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 ama bu defa direk kendilerinden ba\u015flanm\u0131\u015f olmas\u0131n\u0131 do\u011fru buldu\u011funu, \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc halk aya\u011f\u0131, gerilla aya\u011f\u0131, \u00f6rg\u00fct aya\u011f\u0131 bo\u015falt\u0131l\u0131rsa; yani \u00d6calan’\u0131n etki g\u00fcc\u00fc k\u0131r\u0131lmaya \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131larak bu i\u015f yap\u0131l\u0131rsa bunun sonu\u00e7 almayaca\u011f\u0131n\u0131 devletin g\u00f6rd\u00fc\u011f\u00fcn\u00fc, \u015fimdi do\u011fru bir y\u00f6ntem denendi\u011fini ve kendisinin de bu rol\u00fc oynamak istedi\u011fini belirtiyor.<\/p>\n

Say\u0131n \u00d6calan s\u00fcreci ‘Demokratik kurtulu\u015f, \u00f6zg\u00fcr ya\u015fam’ olarak tan\u0131mlad\u0131, bu kavram\u0131 a\u00e7t\u0131 m\u0131?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Do\u011fru, asl\u0131nda \u015fundan s\u00f6z ediyor. 1920’lere at\u0131f yap\u0131yor s\u00fcrekli. T\u00fcrkiye Cumhuriyeti’nin kuruldu\u011fu ilk d\u00f6neme Osmanl\u0131 bakiyesine at\u0131f yap\u0131yor. Osmanl\u0131 k\u00fclt\u00fcrler toplulu\u011funa at\u0131f yap\u0131yor.<\/p>\n

Nedir onlar?<\/strong><\/p>\n

O d\u00f6nem biliyorsunuz farkl\u0131 milletler, farkl\u0131 inan\u00e7tan insanlar ayn\u0131 co\u011frafyada bir arada ya\u015fayabiliyorlard\u0131. \u00d6zellikle K\u00fcrdistan b\u00f6lgesinde farkl\u0131 inan\u00e7 kesimleri farkl\u0131 etnik kimlikler Osmanl\u0131’daki saraya kar\u015f\u0131 k\u0131smi \u00f6zerkliklere sahipti. Bunlar\u0131 \u00f6nemsiyor. Yani tekle\u015ftirilmi\u015f millet tan\u0131m\u0131n\u0131n Ortado\u011fu gibi bir co\u011frafyada hi\u00e7bir devlete uymayaca\u011f\u0131n\u0131, devletlerin bundan vazge\u00e7tik\u00e7e ancak toplumun \u00f6zg\u00fcrle\u015febilece\u011fini, fakat bunun yerine ikame edilecek \u015feyin de yine ulus devlet olmamas\u0131 gerekti\u011fini \u0131srarla belirtiyor. Ve b\u00fct\u00fcn farkl\u0131 kimlikler, farkl\u0131 inan\u00e7lar bir Ortado\u011fu konfederal sistemi i\u00e7erisinde bir arada ya\u015fayabilirler diyor. \u00d6yle s\u0131n\u0131rlar\u0131n de\u011fi\u015fti\u011fi resmi s\u0131n\u0131rlar\u0131n farkl\u0131 \u015fekilde \u00e7izildi\u011fi bir modeli kastetmiyor. \u00d6rne\u011fin AB’yi \u00f6rnek verirken, k\u00f6m\u00fcr ve \u00e7elik birli\u011fiyle ba\u015flad\u0131 bu diyor ve bug\u00fcnlere kadar geldi. Avrupa i\u00e7in k\u00f6m\u00fcr-\u00e7elik ne idiyse o d\u00f6nem, bizim co\u011frafyam\u0131zda da, Dicle-F\u0131rat’\u0131n suyu b\u00f6yledir diyor. Dolay\u0131s\u0131yla bu su etraf\u0131nda bir birlik, bir dayan\u0131\u015fma ba\u015flar ve giderek bu Ortado\u011fu’yu da kapsayan bir Demokratik Ortado\u011fu Konfederasyonu’na d\u00f6n\u00fc\u015febilir. Bunun ko\u015fullar\u0131 vard\u0131r. Dolay\u0131s\u0131yla hi\u00e7 kimsenin marjinal d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnmemesi laz\u0131m. \u0130lk defa bu topraklarda demokratikle\u015fmenin kap\u0131s\u0131 aralan\u0131yor ve bu aralanm\u0131\u015f kap\u0131y\u0131 hepimizin iyi kullanmas\u0131 laz\u0131m. \u00d6n\u00fcm\u00fczdeki haftay\u0131, \u00f6n\u00fcm\u00fczdeki ay\u0131 de\u011fil \u00f6n\u00fcm\u00fczdeki y\u00fczy\u0131llar\u0131 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnmek zorunday\u0131z. Ben y\u0131llard\u0131r bunun haz\u0131rl\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131, \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmas\u0131n\u0131 y\u00fcr\u00fct\u00fcyorum, o nedenle bu f\u0131rsat\u0131, s\u00fcreci de\u011ferlendirmek istiyorum. AKP de, di\u011fer g\u00fc\u00e7ler de bunun k\u0131ymetini bilirse bu olur diyor. Hatta CHP, MHP’ye de \u00e7a\u011fr\u0131 yap\u0131yor. Katk\u0131 sunmak istiyorlarsa neden olmas\u0131n diyor. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc bunu bir K\u00fcrt kurtulu\u015fundan \u00f6te, ger\u00e7ekten Ortado\u011fu’da yeni bir modelin yeni bir sistemin yarat\u0131lmas\u0131 i\u00e7in bir f\u0131rsat olarak g\u00f6r\u00fcyor. Meseleye asla bir etnik pencereden bakmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 \u00e7ok net ortaya koyuyor.<\/p>\n

\u00d6calan \u00e7ok stratejik bir \u00f6neri getiriyor. Bu konuda AKP’nin pozisyonuyla ilgili ne diyor?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u015e\u00f6yle bir c\u00fcmlesi vard\u0131; ge\u00e7mi\u015fte \u00e7ok anlam\u0131yorlard\u0131; ama \u015fimdi san\u0131r\u0131m onlar da de\u011fi\u015fimin ne kadar gerekli oldu\u011funun fark\u0131ndalar. Fakat bunu ne kadar pratikle\u015ftirebilirler bunu hep birlikte g\u00f6rece\u011fiz diyor. Kendisi ger\u00e7ekten pratikle\u015ftirmek konusunda olabildi\u011fince esnek davranmaya \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131yor. Dayatmac\u0131, \u015fabloncu bir tarz\u0131 yok. M\u00fcthi\u015f bir \u00f6zg\u00fcveni var. O kadar alternatifli konu\u015fuyor ki d\u00fczenlemeler konusunda, at\u0131lacak ad\u0131mlar konusunda. Yeter ki s\u00fcre\u00e7 ilerlesin, demokratikle\u015fmenin kap\u0131s\u0131 a\u00e7\u0131ls\u0131n. Yani de\u011fi\u015fimin ka\u00e7\u0131n\u0131lmaz oldu\u011funun fark\u0131nda ve bu de\u011fi\u015fimi, ger\u00e7ek de\u011fi\u015fime ihtiyac\u0131 olanlar\u0131n, ezilenlerin \u00f6nc\u00fcl\u00fck edip y\u00f6netmesi gerekti\u011fini anlatmaya \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131yor asl\u0131nda. Kim bu de\u011fi\u015fime kar\u015f\u0131 direnirse onun yok olup gidece\u011finin fark\u0131nda.<\/p>\n

\u0130kinci g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmede, yeni anayasa, ba\u015fkanl\u0131k sistemi ve \u00f6zy\u00f6netim tart\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131yla ilgili kamuoyunda \u00e7e\u015fitli spek\u00fclasyonlar oldu. Bu ba\u015fl\u0131klara ili\u015fkin bir g\u00fcndem var m\u0131yd\u0131?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Yok, ba\u015fkanl\u0131k sistemi yoktu g\u00fcndemimizde. Fakat tabii anayasa meselesini de tart\u0131\u015ft\u0131k. Onun da sorular\u0131 vard\u0131. \u015euna \u00e7ok \u00f6nem veriyordu. Bir defa bu anayasa ve yasa meselesinin Parlamento aya\u011f\u0131n\u0131n t\u00fcm\u00fcyle BDP’nin i\u015fi oldu\u011funu, BDP’nin bu konuda zaten uzman oldu\u011funu, g\u00f6revinin bu oldu\u011funu belirtiyordu. Aynen \u015fu c\u00fcmleyi kulland\u0131; BDP bir arabulucu de\u011fil. Bas\u0131nda postac\u0131 falan diyorlar. Asla b\u00f6yle bir pozisyonu yok. BDP, e\u011fer birinci a\u015fama ge\u00e7ilirse ikinci a\u015faman\u0131n t\u00fcmden taraf\u0131d\u0131r. O da hukuki s\u00fcre\u00e7, anayasal ve yasal reformlar s\u00fcrecidir. Bu \u00e7er\u00e7evede tart\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131m\u0131z oldu.<\/p>\n

Yeni s\u00fcrece haz\u0131rl\u0131k konusunda BDP olarak tart\u0131\u015fman\u0131z oldu mu?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Bizim bu s\u00fcrece kar\u015f\u0131 haz\u0131rl\u0131ks\u0131z olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z bilinmelidir. Uzun s\u00fcredir anayasa ve yasal reformlarla ilgili \u00e7al\u0131\u015fma y\u00fcr\u00fct\u00fcyoruz. Konferanslar, \u00e7al\u0131\u015ftaylar yapt\u0131k. G\u00fc\u00e7l\u00fc bir anayasa tasla\u011f\u0131 ortaya \u00e7\u0131kard\u0131k. Yine yol temizli\u011fi dedi\u011fimiz reform paketini ortaya \u00e7\u0131kartt\u0131k ki d\u00fcn Ada’da Say\u0131n \u00d6calan ile yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z toplant\u0131da da bu reform paketinin de tart\u0131\u015fmas\u0131n\u0131 y\u00fcr\u00fctt\u00fck ve bu konudaki g\u00fc\u00e7l\u00fc haz\u0131rl\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z\u0131 anlatt\u0131k. Kendisi de bu reform s\u00fcrecinin \u00f6nemli olaca\u011f\u0131n\u0131, BDP’nin bu konudaki haz\u0131rl\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131n g\u00fc\u00e7l\u00fc oldu\u011funu g\u00f6rd\u00fc\u011f\u00fcn\u00fc ve destekledi\u011fini belirtti. Anayasadan \u00f6nce mutlaka bir yol temizli\u011fine ihtiya\u00e7 oldu\u011fu d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcncesi onda da vard\u0131.<\/p>\n

“K\u00fcrt sorunu \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fcl\u00fcrken yerine ba\u015fka bir otoriterle\u015fme mi ge\u00e7ecek” diye kamuoyunda ciddi ciddi tart\u0131\u015fanlar oldu?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Say\u0131n Abdullah \u00d6calan \u00e7ok uzun y\u0131llard\u0131r ne yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131n fark\u0131nda. Yani att\u0131\u011f\u0131 ve ataca\u011f\u0131 ad\u0131mlarla nelerin nas\u0131l de\u011fi\u015fti\u011fini o kadar iyi g\u00f6r\u00fcyor ki. Mesela devletin \u0130mral\u0131’da Say\u0131n \u00d6calan ile g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fme yapmas\u0131, bizim gidip orada toplant\u0131lar yapmam\u0131z bile T\u00fcrkiye’deki bask\u0131c\u0131 sistemin \u00e7atlamas\u0131na neden olmu\u015ftur. Dikkat edin Newroz’lar nas\u0131l kutlan\u0131yor. D\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcn ki y\u00fcz y\u0131ll\u0131k K\u00fcrt inkar\u0131 k\u0131r\u0131lm\u0131\u015f olacak K\u00fcrt sorununun \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fclmesiyle. \u015eimdi bu devlet b\u00fct\u00fcn bask\u0131c\u0131 mekanizmalar\u0131n\u0131 K\u00fcrtlerin inkar\u0131 \u00fczerine kurmu\u015ftur. Yani siz devletin elinden en b\u00fcy\u00fck bask\u0131 arac\u0131n\u0131 al\u0131yorsunuz. Bir daha kullanmamak \u00fczere geri al\u0131yorsunuz. K\u00fcrtlerin d\u0131\u015f\u0131ndaki baz\u0131 kesimler bunu g\u00f6rm\u00fcyor. Temel \u00e7eli\u015fki K\u00fcrt meselesidir. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc bask\u0131, otorite K\u00fcrd\u00fcn inkar\u0131 \u00fczerine kuruludur. Bu sistem de\u011fi\u015fti\u011fi zaman, hani bunun yerine demokrasi in\u015fa edilir demiyorum ama, daha otoriter ya da daha bask\u0131c\u0131 bir rejim kurulur demek de haks\u0131zl\u0131kt\u0131r. Bunun yerine demokrasinin in\u015fa edilmesi g\u00f6revi de AKP’nin de\u011fil. Tam da bu itirazlar\u0131 belirten ilerici kesimlerdir. Yani diyorlar ki, hem AKP bask\u0131c\u0131 rejimini k\u0131rs\u0131n hem de yerine tam da arzulad\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z gibi bir demokrasiyi in\u015fa etsin. Var m\u0131 b\u00f6yle bir \u015fey. \u00d6yle olsayd\u0131 hepimiz AKP’li olurduk yani. AKP’yi devrimci diye tan\u0131ml\u0131yorlar neredeyse…<\/p>\n

D\u00fcnyan\u0131n g\u00f6z\u00fc kula\u011f\u0131 Amed Newroz’unda. \u00d6calan’\u0131n verece\u011fi tarihi mesaj merakla bekleniyor. Milyonlar g\u00fcnlerdir co\u015fkulu ve umutlu bir Newroz kutluyor. B\u00fct\u00fcn bunlar\u0131n siyasi manas\u0131 ne?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Son \u00fc\u00e7 y\u0131ld\u0131r Newroz b\u00fcy\u00fck bir direni\u015fle ge\u00e7iyor. Yasaklan\u0131yor, engelleniyor, halk inatla, kararl\u0131l\u0131kla meydanlara \u00e7\u0131k\u0131yor. Newrozlarda \u015fehitler verildi. Halk can\u0131 pahas\u0131na alanlara \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131. Son \u00fc\u00e7 y\u0131ldaki Newroz’un karakteri neydi? Devlet kazan\u0131lm\u0131\u015f bir hakk\u0131, Newroz \u015fahs\u0131nda K\u00fcrt halk\u0131n\u0131n kazand\u0131\u011f\u0131 kimli\u011fini, k\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fcn\u00fc o g\u00fcn b\u00fct\u00fcn d\u00fcnyaya siyasi mesajlarla birlikte verme hakk\u0131n\u0131 son \u00fc\u00e7 y\u0131ld\u0131r kulland\u0131rmak istemiyordu ve buna kar\u015f\u0131 \u00e7ok ciddi bir tepki vard\u0131 halkta. Di\u011fer sahalar\u0131n t\u00fcm\u00fcyle birlikte Newroz \u015fahs\u0131nda somutla\u015fan bu direni\u015f bir ba\u015far\u0131ya d\u00f6n\u00fc\u015ft\u00fc. Bu ba\u015far\u0131 da \u0130mral\u0131’da m\u00fczakerelerin ba\u015flam\u0131\u015f olmas\u0131d\u0131r. \u0130nsanlar halay \u00e7ekmek i\u00e7in de\u011fil biz \u00d6calan’\u0131n arkas\u0131nday\u0131z, onunla g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmek zorundas\u0131n demek i\u00e7in alanlara \u00e7\u0131k\u0131yordu. \u015eimdi bu y\u0131l \u00d6calan ile g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015f\u00fcl\u00fcyor. Ge\u00e7en y\u0131l gaz ve cop yemenin bedeli bu y\u0131l k\u0131smi bir zafere d\u00f6n\u00fc\u015ft\u00fc. K\u00fcrtler \u015fimdi bunun heyecan\u0131n\u0131 ya\u015f\u0131yor ve alanlara \u00e7ok daha b\u00fcy\u00fck bir co\u015fkuyla \u00e7\u0131k\u0131yor. Bu y\u0131l, hem elde edilmi\u015f bir kazan\u0131m\u0131n sevinci var hem de siyasal olarak s\u00fcrecin arkas\u0131nda durman\u0131n politik bilinci var. Bu ikisi birle\u015fince \u00e7ok daha g\u00f6rkemli Newrozlar ortaya \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131. Amed Newroz’u da izinli kutlanmaya ba\u015fland\u0131\u011f\u0131ndan bu yana kitle say\u0131s\u0131 her y\u0131l bir \u00f6nceki y\u0131l\u0131 a\u015ft\u0131. Bu y\u0131l da 2012 y\u0131l\u0131n\u0131n Newroz’unu a\u015facak tabii. M\u00fccadele her y\u0131l bir \u00f6nceki y\u0131ldan daha b\u00fcy\u00fck bir a\u015famaya geliyor. Bunun yans\u0131mas\u0131 da Newroz alanlar\u0131nda \u00e7ok iyi g\u00f6r\u00fcn\u00fcyor.<\/p>\n

‘KADININ \u00d6ZG\u00dcRL\u00dc\u011e\u00dc HER \u015eEYD\u0130R’<\/strong><\/p>\n

Toplant\u0131da bir de kad\u0131n de\u011ferlendirmeleri tabii \u00e7ok kapsaml\u0131yd\u0131. \u015e\u00f6yle bir c\u00fcmle kulland\u0131; Benim i\u00e7in Ortado\u011fu’da vatandan, topraktan, petrolden \u00e7ok daha de\u011ferlidir kad\u0131n \u00f6zg\u00fcrl\u00fc\u011f\u00fc. Bu her \u015feydir diyordu. Bu ba\u015far\u0131l\u0131rsa gerisi \u00e7ok kolayd\u0131r. Bir de \u015fu mesaj\u0131 verdi; yani kad\u0131nlar benim s\u00f6ylediklerimi bir tabu gibi almas\u0131nlar. Kad\u0131nlar\u0131n bana ba\u011fl\u0131l\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 anl\u0131yorum; fakat bu ba\u011fl\u0131l\u0131k bir tabuya d\u00f6n\u00fc\u015fmemelidir. Her s\u00f6yledi\u011fimi bir \u015fablon gibi al\u0131p uygulamak de\u011fildir kad\u0131n \u00f6zg\u00fcrl\u00fc\u011f\u00fc. Ge\u00e7mi\u015fe nazaran \u00e7ok b\u00fcy\u00fck mesafeler kat etti K\u00fcrt kad\u0131n\u0131. \u015eu andaki durumdan da \u00e7ok memnunum ama yap\u0131lacak \u00e7ok i\u015f var. Bizim en b\u00fcy\u00fck kazan\u0131m\u0131m\u0131z da budur dedi ve uzun uzun kad\u0131n de\u011ferlendirmeleri yapt\u0131. Kad\u0131nlara da \u00f6zel sevgi ve selamlar\u0131 vard\u0131.<\/p>\n

‘ERMEN\u0130 LOB\u0130S\u0130 MESELES\u0130’<\/strong><\/p>\n

Evet, kendisinin yanl\u0131\u015f anla\u015f\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 s\u00f6yledi. Hatta \u00fcz\u00fcld\u00fc\u011f\u00fcn\u00fc belirtti. \u00d6nerdi\u011fi akil insanlar komisyonunda b\u00fct\u00fcn bu etnik kimliklerin temsiliyetinin olmas\u0131 gerekti\u011fini belirtti. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc bu sadece bir K\u00fcrt-T\u00fcrk bar\u0131\u015f\u0131 de\u011fil. Bu topraklarda e\u011fer ger\u00e7ekten bar\u0131\u015f\u0131n \u00f6n\u00fc a\u00e7\u0131lacaksa bu akil insanlar komisyonunda Ermeni’den Yahudi’ye, Rum’dan \u00c7erkez’e b\u00fct\u00fcn kimliklerin temsilcilerinin yer almas\u0131n\u0131 \u00e7ok \u00f6nemsedi\u011fini, hatta b\u00f6yle bir s\u00fcrece destek vermek isterlerse bundan memnuniyet duyaca\u011f\u0131n\u0131 belirtti. Biz, etnik kimliklerle ilgili bir yakla\u015f\u0131m\u0131n\u0131z d\u0131\u015far\u0131ya farkl\u0131 yans\u0131d\u0131 dedik. O da bu tart\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131 izlemi\u015fti zaten. B\u00f6yle bir \u015fey olmaz diyordu, benim nas\u0131l yakla\u015ft\u0131\u011f\u0131m \u00e7ok net biliniyor. Biz zaten onlar\u0131n m\u00fccadelesini y\u00fcr\u00fct\u00fcyoruz dedi.<\/p>\n

Say\u0131n \u00d6calan’la ilk defa y\u00fcz y\u00fcze g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015ft\u00fcn\u00fcz. Aran\u0131zda \u00f6zel bir diyalog da geli\u015fti mi?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Tabii benim i\u00e7in \u00e7ok heyecan vericiydi. \u0130lk odaya girdi\u011fimde kendisi ayaktayd\u0131. Birka\u00e7 saniye bak\u0131\u015ft\u0131k; ama uzun uzun el s\u0131k\u0131\u015ft\u0131k. Ben de elini b\u0131rakmak istemedim o da elimi b\u0131rakmak istemedi. B\u00fcy\u00fck bir sevgisi, sempatisi oldu\u011funu hissettim. Ben de uzun s\u00fcredir g\u00f6rmedi\u011fim bir akrabam\u0131 g\u00f6rm\u00fc\u015f gibi bir hissiyat i\u00e7indeydim. Tabii sa\u00e7 sakal k\u0131rla\u015fm\u0131\u015f. \u0130nsan sevgisiyle dolu, konu\u015furken, tart\u0131\u015f\u0131rken. Benim i\u00e7in muazzam bir deneyimdi. 22 y\u0131ld\u0131r \u00f6yle ya da b\u00f6yle bu m\u00fccadelenin i\u00e7inde oldum; ama ilk defa K\u00fcrt halk\u0131n\u0131n lideriyle kar\u015f\u0131 kar\u015f\u0131ya geldim. Mutluluk vericiydi. Kendisi 15 \u015eubat 1999’da T\u00fcrkiye’ye getirildi\u011finde \u00fc\u00e7 ayl\u0131k stajyer avukatt\u0131m. Hakikaten hepimiz a\u011fl\u0131yorduk televizyonlar\u0131n ba\u015f\u0131nda. Aradan 14 y\u0131l ge\u00e7ti, bir partinin e\u015f ba\u015fkan\u0131 olarak \u0130mral\u0131’ya gittim ve kendisiyle resmi bir \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fcm toplant\u0131s\u0131 yapt\u0131k. Benim i\u00e7in tarihi, b\u00f6ylesi bir anlam\u0131 vard\u0131. \u0130ki k\u0131z\u0131m i\u00e7in de bir selam kart\u0131 yazd\u0131. Delal ve Dilda \u015fahs\u0131nda b\u00fct\u00fcn \u00e7ocuklara, b\u00fcy\u00fck m\u00fccadele y\u00fcr\u00fctt\u00fc\u011f\u00fcn\u00fc belirten bir selam ve sevgi kart\u0131 yazd\u0131.<\/p>\n

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‘BEN \u00dcZER\u0130ME D\u00dc\u015eEN\u0130 YAPIYORUM, MECL\u0130S DE YAPMALI’ PKK Lideri Abdullah \u00d6calan’la \u0130mral\u0131’da g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fen BDP E\u015f Genel Ba\u015fkan\u0131 Selahattin Demirta\u015f, 3. toplant\u0131da konu\u015fulanlar\u0131 \u00d6zg\u00fcr G\u00fcndem Gazetesi’ne anlatt\u0131. Demirta\u015f, \u00d6calan’\u0131n kendilerine, “Ben \u00fczerime d\u00fc\u015feni yap\u0131yorum, h\u00fck\u00fcmet bu f\u0131rsat\u0131 ka\u00e7\u0131rmamal\u0131, Meclis de \u00fczerine d\u00fc\u015feni yapmal\u0131. 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