{"id":22143,"date":"2013-03-09T01:24:33","date_gmt":"2013-03-09T06:24:33","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?p=22143"},"modified":"2013-03-09T01:24:33","modified_gmt":"2013-03-09T06:24:33","slug":"baskin-oran-turku-cinliler-turkiye-adini-venedikliler-koydu","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/akunq.net\/turkish\/2013\/03\/09\/baskin-oran-turku-cinliler-turkiye-adini-venedikliler-koydu\/","title":{"rendered":"Bask\u0131n Oran: ‘T\u00fcrk’\u00fc \u00c7inliler, ‘T\u00fcrkiye’ ad\u0131n\u0131 Venedikliler koydu"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"Bask\u0131n<\/a>Bask<\/i><\/b>\u0131<\/i><\/b>n <\/i><\/b>Oran<\/i><\/b>‘<\/i><\/b>dan<\/i><\/b> \u0130<\/i><\/b>lber <\/i><\/b>Ortayl<\/i><\/b>\u0131’<\/i><\/b>ya <\/i><\/b>itiraz <\/i><\/b>var<\/i><\/b>: <\/i><\/b>Erzurumluluk <\/i><\/b>oluyor <\/i><\/b>da <\/i><\/b>T<\/i><\/b>\u00fc<\/i><\/b>rkiyelilik <\/i><\/b>neden <\/i><\/b>olmuyor<\/i><\/b>.<\/i><\/b><\/p>\n

Prof. Dr. Bask\u0131n Oran A Haber’de Selin Ongun’un sundu\u011fu Bi Sormak Laz\u0131m programa konuk oldu. er\u00f6re kar\u015f\u0131 \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fcm s\u00fcreci, “T\u00fcrkiyelilik” kavram\u0131n\u0131n tart\u0131\u015f\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131 programda \u0130lber Ortayl\u0131’n\u0131n s\u00f6zleri de tart\u0131\u015f\u0131ld\u0131.
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\n”<\/strong><\/b>ERZURUMLUMLULUK <\/strong>OLUYOR <\/strong>DA <\/strong>T<\/strong>\u00dc<\/strong>RK<\/strong>\u0130<\/strong>YEL<\/strong>\u0130<\/strong>L<\/strong>\u0130<\/strong>K <\/strong>NEDEN <\/strong>OLMUYOR<\/strong>”<\/strong><\/p>\n

Bask\u0131n Oran,”\u0130lber tarih konusunda \u00fcstatt\u0131r, ona hi\u00e7 \u015f\u00fcphe yok. Yaln\u0131z tabi siyaset bilimi farkl\u0131 bir \u015fey. \u0130lber’in s\u00f6yledi\u011fi \u015fuymu\u015f “e\u011fer bir kelime ba\u015fka dillere \u00e7evrilemiyorsa bu palavrad\u0131r.” O zaman British kelimesinin \u00e7evirisi yok o ne olacak? British i\u015fte T\u00fcrkiyeli demek. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc British’in alt\u0131nda \u0130sko\u00e7lar, \u0130rlandal\u0131lar, Galliler ve \u0130ngilizler var. Aynen T\u00fcrkiyelinin alt\u0131nda, \u00c7erkez’i, Arap’\u0131, K\u00fcrt’\u00fc, Zaza’s\u0131, T\u00fcrk’\u00fc, Arnavut’u, Ermeni’si, Rum’u oldu\u011fu gibi. Ayr\u0131ca benfevkalade merak ediyorum. Erzurumluluk oluyor da T\u00fcrkiyelilik neden olmuyor?”dedi.<\/p>\n

”T\u00dcRK \u00dcST K\u0130ML\u0130\u011e\u0130 PAR\u00c7ALAYICI OLDU”<\/strong><\/p>\n

Oran s\u00f6zlerini \u015f\u00f6yle s\u00fcrd\u00fcrd\u00fc; ”Mesele bilimsel olarak \u015fudur; \u00fcst kimlik e\u011fer alt kimlikler taraf\u0131ndan kabul edilirse birle\u015ftirici, reddedilirse par\u00e7alay\u0131c\u0131 olur. 1924 Anayasas\u0131’ndan bu g\u00fcne kadar kullan\u0131lan T\u00fcrk \u00fcst kimli\u011fi fevkalade par\u00e7alay\u0131c\u0131 oldu. \u00dcst kimlikler iki kritere g\u00f6re saptanabilir. Bir kan kriteri, etnik kriter. \u0130kincisi toprak kriteri teritoryal kriter. T\u00fcrk bir etnik kritere g\u00f6re saptanm\u0131\u015f bir \u00fcst kimlik ad\u0131d\u0131r, T\u00fcrkiyeli teritoryal \u00f6l\u00e7\u00fcte g\u00f6re saptanm\u0131\u015f \u00fcst kimli\u011fin ad\u0131d\u0131r. Onun i\u00e7in T\u00fcrk par\u00e7alay\u0131c\u0131d\u0131r, T\u00fcrkiyeli birle\u015ftiricidir.
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\n”T\u00dcRK ADINI \u00c7\u0130NL\u0130LER VERD\u0130, T\u00dcRK\u0130YE ADINI VENED\u0130KL\u0130LER”<\/strong><\/b><\/p>\n

Zaten T\u00fcrkiyeli kelimesi T\u00fcrk’ten gelmiyor mu? Geliyor. Ama T\u00fcrk ad\u0131n\u0131 da, T\u00fcrkiyeli ad\u0131n\u0131 da T\u00fcrkler koymad\u0131. T\u00fcrk ad\u0131n\u0131 \u00c7inliler verdi, T\u00fcrkiye ad\u0131n\u0131 daVenedikliler koydu. Bunda ne var? Baz\u0131 halk ve topraklar d\u0131\u015far\u0131dan adland\u0131r\u0131l\u0131r.
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\n”\u0130LBER’\u0130N HAMURU ULUSALCI”<\/strong><\/b><\/p>\n

\u0130lber’in hamuru ulusalc\u0131. Burada siz T\u00fcrk unsurunu o yukar\u0131daki tahta m\u0131 tutmak istiyorsunuz, yoksa herkesin bulundu\u011fu yere e\u015fitli\u011fe mi getirmek istiyorsunuz. Benim felsefemle \u0130lber’in felsefesi farkl\u0131. Onun i\u00e7in ben T\u00fcrkiyeliyi birle\u015ftirici buluyorum o sa\u00e7ma buluyor.”<\/p>\n

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Bask\u0131n Oran‘dan \u0130lber Ortayl\u0131’ya itiraz var: Erzurumluluk oluyor da T\u00fcrkiyelilik neden olmuyor. Prof. Dr. Bask\u0131n Oran A Haber’de Selin Ongun’un sundu\u011fu Bi Sormak Laz\u0131m programa konuk oldu. er\u00f6re kar\u015f\u0131 \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fcm s\u00fcreci, “T\u00fcrkiyelilik” kavram\u0131n\u0131n tart\u0131\u015f\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131 programda \u0130lber Ortayl\u0131’n\u0131n s\u00f6zleri de tart\u0131\u015f\u0131ld\u0131. ”ERZURUMLUMLULUK OLUYOR DA T\u00dcRK\u0130YEL\u0130L\u0130K NEDEN OLMUYOR” Bask\u0131n Oran,”\u0130lber tarih konusunda \u00fcstatt\u0131r, ona hi\u00e7 \u015f\u00fcphe yok. 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