{"id":21930,"date":"2013-02-25T04:41:59","date_gmt":"2013-02-25T09:41:59","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?p=21930"},"modified":"2013-02-25T04:41:59","modified_gmt":"2013-02-25T09:41:59","slug":"dersim-ermenileri-simdi-nerede","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/akunq.net\/turkish\/2013\/02\/25\/dersim-ermenileri-simdi-nerede\/","title":{"rendered":"Dersim Ermenileri \u015fimdi nerede?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><a href=\"http:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?attachment_id=21931\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-21931\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-21931\" alt=\"\u0534\u0565\u0580\u057d\u056b\u0574\u056b \u0570\u0561\u0575\u0565\u0580\" src=\"http:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/02\/\u0534\u0565\u0580\u057d\u056b\u0574\u056b-\u0570\u0561\u0575\u0565\u0580-300x210.jpg\" width=\"300\" height=\"210\" \/><\/a>Ge\u00e7ti\u011fimiz haftalarda Ermeni gezgini Antranik&#8217;in\u00a0<b>\u201c<i>Dersim Seyahatname<\/i>\u201d<\/b>\u00a0isimli kitab\u0131 Aras yay\u0131nlar\u0131 taraf\u0131ndan yay\u0131mland\u0131. 1888 y\u0131l\u0131nda Antranik Dersim&#8217;e gidiyor, b\u00f6lgede bir\u00e7ok yerle\u015fim yerini dola\u015f\u0131yor ve gitti\u011fi yerlere dair, o tarihe ait bir\u00e7ok bilgi ve an\u0131 aktar\u0131yor. Bence hepsi birbirinden de\u011ferli bilgiler. Malum; s\u00f6zl\u00fc aktar\u0131m gelene\u011finin \u00e7ocuklar\u0131y\u0131z, yaz\u0131l\u0131 bir tarihimiz yok, 1938 \u00f6ncesine dair bilgilerimiz de \u00e7ok s\u0131n\u0131rl\u0131, devlet ar\u015fivleri ve gezginlerin seyahatnameleri d\u0131\u015f\u0131nda bildi\u011fimiz \u00e7ok az \u015fey var. Bu ba\u011flamda Andranik&#8217;in Dersim Seyahatname adl\u0131 kitab\u0131 \u00e7ok \u00f6zel bir kaynak.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><b>Antranik<\/b>, kitab\u0131nda gezdi\u011fi yerlerin n\u00fcfuslar\u0131n\u0131 da vermi\u015f, bu bilgi \u00e7ok dikkatimi \u00e7ekti. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc Antranik&#8217;in gitti\u011fi k\u00f6ylerin \u00e7o\u011funda ciddi bir Ermeni n\u00fcfus var, hatta baz\u0131 k\u00f6ylerde 250-300 haneden sadece 8-10 tanesi K\u00fcrt di\u011ferlerinin tamam\u0131 Ermeni. \u00d6rne\u011fin<i>\u00a0T\u00fcr\u00fc\u015fmek (Aktuluk)<\/i>\u00a0k\u00f6y\u00fcnde sadece 4-5 hanenin K\u00fcrt oldu\u011funu s\u00f6yl\u00fcyor Andranik, kalan\u0131 Ermeni. Dersim&#8217;de Ermenilerin de ya\u015fad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 elbette biliyorduk, halen bir \u00e7ok k\u00f6y ve b\u00f6lgenin isimleri Ermenice, bir \u00e7ok kilise y\u0131k\u0131nt\u0131s\u0131 var, hala ya\u015fayan Dersimli Ermeniler de var ama yine de; daha 110-120 y\u0131l \u00f6ncesine kadar Dersim&#8217;de bu yo\u011funlukta bir Ermeni n\u00fcfusun ya\u015fad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 bilmiyordum, beklemiyordum, kitab\u0131 okurken \u00e7ok \u015fa\u015f\u0131rd\u0131m.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Evet, T\u00fcrkiye&#8217;de 1915 ya\u015fand\u0131, bir bu\u00e7uk milyon Ermeni yok oldu, Anadolu&#8217;nun <i>(Bat\u0131 Ermenistan\u2019\u0131n-\u2018Akunq\u2019 web sayfas\u0131 y\u00f6neticileri) <\/i>bir\u00e7ok yerinde b\u00fcy\u00fck ac\u0131lar ve k\u0131y\u0131mlar ya\u015fand\u0131. Bahsi ge\u00e7en d\u00f6nemde sadece Dersim&#8217;de de\u011fil bir\u00e7ok yerde kalabal\u0131k Ermeni n\u00fcfusu vard\u0131, mesela Antranik&#8217;in Dersim seyahati s\u0131ras\u0131nda u\u011frad\u0131\u011f\u0131 Harput (Elaz\u0131\u011f) o d\u00f6nemde Ermeni kayn\u0131yor. Fakat biz Dersimlilerin, di\u011fer b\u00f6lgelere g\u00f6re bir fark\u0131m\u0131z vard\u0131; her f\u0131rsatta Ermenileri \u00f6ld\u00fcrmedi\u011fimizi, d\u0131\u015fardan Dersim&#8217;e s\u0131\u011f\u0131nan Ermenileri de koruyup kollad\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z\u0131 s\u00f6yl\u00fcyoruz. Bir \u00f6nceki yaz\u0131mda belirtmi\u015ftim; \u201c1915 soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131nda kimi kaynaklara g\u00f6re 20-30 bin Ermeni Dersim&#8217;e s\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131r ve Osmanl\u0131, bu Ermenilerin teslim edilmesini talep etti\u011finde,\u00a0<b>Seyit R\u0131za<\/b>&#8216;n\u0131n babas\u0131\u00a0<b>Seyit \u0130brahim<\/b>\u00a0devlete<b>\u00a0\u201cBiz yaral\u0131 kartallar\u0131 avc\u0131lara teslim etmeyiz\u201d\u00a0<\/b>diyerek, Ermenileri devlete teslim etmeyi reddediyor.\u201d Bu bilgiyi H\u00fcseyin Ayr\u0131lmaz anlatm\u0131\u015ft\u0131 ve duydu\u011fumda hem \u00e7ok etkilenmi\u015ftim hem de \u00e7ok sevinmi\u015ftim.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">T\u00fcm bu veriler ve anlat\u0131lar\u0131n \u0131\u015f\u0131\u011f\u0131nda ister istemez \u015fu soru geliyor akl\u0131ma. Madem onlar\u0131 biz \u00f6ld\u00fcrmedik, Osmanl\u0131&#8217;ya da teslim etmedik, koruduk, o halde 1888-1895 y\u0131llar\u0131nda say\u0131lar\u0131 bir hayli olan Dersim Ermenilerine ne oldu, \u015fimdi niye yoklar, nereye kayboldu bu kadar Dersim Ermenisi? Bu soruyu tekrar ve tekrar kendimize sormal\u0131y\u0131z san\u0131r\u0131m. Dersim dolay\u0131m\u0131yla, orada ya\u015fayan Aleviler, Zazalar, K\u00fcrtler, T\u00fcrkmenler dahil herkesin de sormas\u0131 gerekir.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Bir k\u0131sm\u0131 ba\u015fka yerlere g\u00f6\u00e7 etti diyelim, bir k\u0131sm\u0131n\u0131 m\u00fcnferit olaylarda biz \u00f6ld\u00fcrd\u00fck, bir k\u0131sm\u0131n\u0131 koruyamad\u0131k, bir k\u0131sm\u0131n\u0131 da Osmanl\u0131 \u00f6ld\u00fcrd\u00fc diyelim. Ama yine de durumu kurtarm\u0131yor bu a\u00e7\u0131klamalar. Vakti zamanda tamam\u0131na yak\u0131n\u0131 Ermeni olan k\u00f6ylerden bug\u00fcn niye hi\u00e7 bir eser yok? Dersim&#8217;de bug\u00fcn hala kendi geleneklerine g\u00f6re ya\u015fay\u0131p giden, kiliselerinde ibadet eden bir tek Ermeni k\u00f6y\u00fc dahi neden yok? Herkesin karde\u015f\u00e7e ya\u015fad\u0131\u011f\u0131, kimsenin birbirinin diline, dinine, rengine kar\u0131\u015fmad\u0131\u011f\u0131, kimsenin kimseyi \u00f6tekile\u015ftirip ezmedi\u011fi\u00a0<i>K\u0131rmanciye<\/i>\u00a0co\u011frafyas\u0131nda bunun a\u00e7\u0131klamas\u0131n\u0131 ne ile yapaca\u011f\u0131z?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Geriye sadece iki ihtimal kal\u0131yor; ya biz m\u00fcnferitten fazla Ermeni \u00f6ld\u00fcr\u00fcp, kalanlar\u0131 da s\u00f6yledi\u011fimiz gibi fazla koruyamad\u0131k, sahip \u00e7\u0131kamad\u0131k ya da bu Ermeniler asimile olup i\u00e7imizde kald\u0131lar. Akl\u0131ma \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcnc\u00fc bir ihtimal gelmiyor. E\u011fer Ermeni \u00e7o\u011funlu\u011fu biz \u00f6ld\u00fcrmediysek, o zaman Dersim&#8217;de \u015fu an K\u0131rmanc, Zaza, K\u00fcrt, Alevi, T\u00fcrkmen olarak ya\u015fayan insanlar\u0131n \u00f6nemli bir k\u0131sm\u0131; b\u00f6lge inanc\u0131na, ortam\u0131na, diline ayak uydurmu\u015f Ermeniler olmas\u0131 gerekir. Bunu da sorgulamak durumunday\u0131z.\u00a0 Hani; kurdun-ku\u015fun hat\u0131r\u0131n\u0131 kutsal bilen o kadim vicdan\u0131n \u00e7ocuklar\u0131 olarak, bu konuyu daha ciddiyetle sorgulamak, bununla y\u00fczle\u015fmek durumunda de\u011fil miyiz?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Y\u00fczle\u015fmek sadece kabul etmekle, hak vermekle olmuyor, ayn\u0131 zamanda gere\u011finin de yap\u0131lmas\u0131 gerekir. Bug\u00fcn Dersim&#8217;de bir \u00e7ok a\u015firetin i\u00e7inde Ermeniler oldu\u011fu zaten s\u0131r de\u011fil. Arjantinli <i>(Ermeni-\u2018Akunq\u2019 web sayfas\u0131 y\u00f6neticileri) <\/i>gazeteci\u00a0<b>Avedis Hadjian<\/b>, hepimizin bildi\u011fi bir c\u00fcmleyi dillendiriyor; &#8220;T\u00fcrkiye&#8217;de y\u00fcz binlerce &#8216;gizli Ermeni&#8217; ya\u015f\u0131yor&#8221; T\u00fcrkiye genelinde yayg\u0131n S\u00fcnni-muhafazakar anlay\u0131\u015f i\u00e7inde Ermeniler, kendilerini mecburen sakl\u0131yorlar ama Dersim&#8217;de buna gerek var m\u0131? Son y\u0131llarda kurulan\u00a0<b>Dersim Ermenileri Derne\u011fi<\/b>, Dersim&#8217;deki Ermenilerin kendilerini ke\u015ffetmesine ve cesaret bulmas\u0131na vesile olduysa da hala \u00e7ok say\u0131da &#8216;<i>gizli Ermeni&#8217;<\/i>\u00a0aram\u0131zda ya\u015famaktad\u0131r. Ayn\u0131 zamanda Ermenilerin de yurdu olan Dersim&#8217;de, bug\u00fcn ya\u015fayan bir tek Ermeni kilisesinin olmay\u0131\u015f\u0131 bence b\u00fcy\u00fck bir ay\u0131pt\u0131r. Haz\u0131r y\u00fczle\u015fme demi\u015fken; eski kiliselerin kal\u0131nt\u0131lar\u0131ndan birinin onar\u0131l\u0131p resmen ibadete a\u00e7\u0131lmas\u0131 ve farkl\u0131 kimliklerle ya\u015fayan Ermenilerin, kendi k\u00fclt\u00fcrlerine d\u00f6n\u00fc\u015flerinin cesaretlendirilmesi, desteklenmesi hem Dersim&#8217;e yak\u0131\u015f\u0131r bir tav\u0131rd\u0131r hem de Ermeni kirvelerimize, kom\u015fular\u0131m\u0131za ve\u00a0<b>Orhan Bak\u0131r<\/b>&#8216;a (Armenak Bak\u0131rciyan) kar\u015f\u0131 boyun borcumuzdur.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Haz\u0131r T\u00fcrkiye&#8217;de bir bar\u0131\u015f iklimi olu\u015fuyorken, ge\u00e7mi\u015fte ya\u015fanan ac\u0131lar\u0131n \u00fczeri a\u00e7\u0131l\u0131yorken ve bir \u00e7ok konu daha rahat konu\u015fuluyorken; en ba\u015fta o kadim vicdan\u0131n miras\u00e7\u0131s\u0131 olan ve kendileri de b\u00fcy\u00fck bir k\u0131y\u0131m ya\u015fam\u0131\u015f K\u0131z\u0131lba\u015f Dersimliler; kendi Ermenileriyle y\u00fczle\u015fme bi\u00e7imleriyle, t\u00fcm T\u00fcrkiye&#8217;nin kendiyle y\u00fczle\u015fmesine vicdani bir \u00f6rnek olu\u015fturabilirler. T\u00fcrkiye&#8217;nin karanl\u0131k ge\u00e7mi\u015finde ya\u015fanan ac\u0131lar\u0131n sa\u011falt\u0131lmas\u0131na bu \u015fekilde katk\u0131 koyabiliriz. Bar\u0131\u015f\u0131n dili, ancak kendimizle ve kom\u015fular\u0131m\u0131zla bar\u0131\u015ft\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131zda ger\u00e7ek bir bar\u0131\u015fa d\u00f6n\u00fc\u015f\u00fcr.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Bu vesileyle; kendisine\u00a0<i>Ermeni<\/i>\u00a0denmesini hakaret su\u00e7u say\u0131p dava bile a\u00e7m\u0131\u015f bulunan Dersimli K\u0131l\u0131\u00e7daro\u011flu&#8217;nun da kendisiyle y\u00fczle\u015fmesine ve belki Ermeni karde\u015flerinin g\u00f6nl\u00fcn\u00fc almas\u0131na ya da \u00f6z\u00fcr dilemesine \u00f6n ayak olabiliriz de\u011fil mi? Yine; Ermeni hazinelerini bulmak ad\u0131na, da\u011f-ta\u015f gezip, devlet erkan\u0131 ve kolluk kuvvetleriyle i\u015fbirli\u011fi halinde b\u00fct\u00fcn ziyaret yerlerini ve kutsal mekanlar\u0131 bile delik de\u015fik eden bir k\u0131s\u0131m Dersimlinin, bu yapt\u0131klar\u0131ndan utanmas\u0131n\u0131 da sa\u011flayabiliriz belki. O korkun\u00e7 k\u0131y\u0131m esnas\u0131nda, can tela\u015f\u0131 ya\u015fayan Ermenilerin sa\u011fa sola g\u00f6md\u00fc\u011f\u00fc de\u011ferli madenleri, onlar\u0131n ac\u0131lar\u0131n\u0131 hi\u00e7e sayarak ya\u011fmalamak, ondan fayda sa\u011flamak hangi vicdana s\u0131\u011f\u0131yor ki?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">\u00a0\u00a0G\u00f6r\u00fcld\u00fc\u011f\u00fc gibi Ermeni meselesi, sadece Ermeni meselesi de\u011fil. Daha 100 y\u0131l \u00f6ncesine kadar, bu topraklarda bizimle ya\u015fam\u0131\u015f Ermenilerin sorunu ve onlar\u0131n kanayan yaras\u0131, as\u0131l olarak vicdanlar\u0131m\u0131z\u0131n sorunudur ve vicdanlar duymamaya devam ettik\u00e7e kanamaya devam edecektir. Son olarak\u00a0<b>Samatya<\/b>&#8216;da \u00f6ld\u00fcr\u00fclen ya\u015fl\u0131 Ermeni kad\u0131nlar\u0131m\u0131z\u0131n ba\u015f\u0131na gelenleri hat\u0131rlayal\u0131m; \u00f6ks\u00fcz vicdanlar, ac\u0131lar\u0131m\u0131z\u0131 \u00e7o\u011faltmaya devam ediyor..<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><b>Ek:<\/b><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">\u00a0Ermeni k\u0131z\u0131 Vartano\u015f&#8217;un Kekil A\u011fa taraf\u0131ndan, Dersim&#8217;e ka\u00e7\u0131r\u0131lmas\u0131 \u00fczerine, Harput ve \u00e7evresinde Ermenilerce s\u00f6ylenen me\u015fhur \u201c<i>Dersim d\u00f6rt da\u011f i\u00e7inde<\/i>\u201d t\u00fcrk\u00fcs\u00fcn\u00fc; 1937 y\u0131l\u0131nda kaydedilen Vartan Margosian yorumuyla payla\u015f\u0131yorum. (Mikail Aslan&#8217;\u0131n Petag alb\u00fcm\u00fcnden)<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><b><i>http:\/\/blog.radikal.com.tr\/Sayfa\/dersim-ermenileri-simdi-nerede-14537<\/i><\/b><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Ge\u00e7ti\u011fimiz haftalarda Ermeni gezgini Antranik&#8217;in\u00a0\u201cDersim Seyahatname\u201d\u00a0isimli kitab\u0131 Aras yay\u0131nlar\u0131 taraf\u0131ndan yay\u0131mland\u0131. 1888 y\u0131l\u0131nda Antranik Dersim&#8217;e gidiyor, b\u00f6lgede bir\u00e7ok yerle\u015fim yerini dola\u015f\u0131yor ve gitti\u011fi yerlere dair, o tarihe ait bir\u00e7ok bilgi ve an\u0131 aktar\u0131yor. Bence hepsi birbirinden de\u011ferli bilgiler. Malum; s\u00f6zl\u00fc aktar\u0131m gelene\u011finin \u00e7ocuklar\u0131y\u0131z, yaz\u0131l\u0131 bir tarihimiz yok, 1938 \u00f6ncesine dair bilgilerimiz de \u00e7ok s\u0131n\u0131rl\u0131, devlet [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":3,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[12,14],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-21930","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-gunumuzde-bati-ermenileri","category-haberler"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.4 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Dersim Ermenileri \u015fimdi nerede? - Bati Ermenistan Ve Bati Ermenileri Sorunlari Ara\u015ftirmalar Merkezi<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/akunq.net\/turkish\/2013\/02\/25\/dersim-ermenileri-simdi-nerede\/\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Dersim Ermenileri \u015fimdi nerede? - Bati Ermenistan Ve Bati Ermenileri Sorunlari Ara\u015ftirmalar Merkezi\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"Ge\u00e7ti\u011fimiz haftalarda Ermeni gezgini Antranik&#8217;in\u00a0\u201cDersim Seyahatname\u201d\u00a0isimli kitab\u0131 Aras yay\u0131nlar\u0131 taraf\u0131ndan yay\u0131mland\u0131. 1888 y\u0131l\u0131nda Antranik Dersim&#8217;e gidiyor, b\u00f6lgede bir\u00e7ok yerle\u015fim yerini dola\u015f\u0131yor ve gitti\u011fi yerlere dair, o tarihe ait bir\u00e7ok bilgi ve an\u0131 aktar\u0131yor. 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