{"id":20985,"date":"2012-12-29T02:57:53","date_gmt":"2012-12-29T07:57:53","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?p=20985"},"modified":"2012-12-29T02:57:53","modified_gmt":"2012-12-29T07:57:53","slug":"yalan-bu-toplumun-iliklerine-islemis","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/akunq.net\/turkish\/2012\/12\/29\/yalan-bu-toplumun-iliklerine-islemis\/","title":{"rendered":"‘Yalan bu toplumun iliklerine i\u015flemi\u015f’"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"Sevan<\/a>\u00d6nce Hz. Muhammed ile ilgili s\u00f6zleri ele\u015ftirildi, sonra konuk olarak kat\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131 program RT\u00dcK taraf\u0131ndan uyar\u0131ld\u0131. ‘T\u00fcrkiye’nin en provokatif ayd\u0131n\u0131’ olarak nitelendirilen Sevan Ni\u015fanyan ile yeni kitab\u0131 ‘Aslanl\u0131 Yol’ i\u00e7in konu\u015ftuk, son g\u00fcnlerde ya\u015fananlar\u0131 sorduk.<\/em><\/p>\n

Konuk oldu\u011funuz her program ceza yiyor. \u00d6nceki g\u00fcn Enver Aysever\u2019in program\u0131na uyar\u0131 geldi, daha \u00f6nce de sizin y\u00fcz\u00fcn\u00fczden Fatih Altayl\u0131\u2019n\u0131n \u2018Teke Tek\u2019ine yay\u0131n durdurma cezas\u0131 vermi\u015flerdi.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Durum apa\u00e7\u0131k. \u201cSevan Ni\u015fanyan\u2019\u0131 televizyona \u00e7\u0131karmay\u0131n. Konu\u015fmas\u0131 i\u00e7in platform verirseniz yakar\u0131z\u201d diyorlar. Taraf\u2019tan ayr\u0131lmam da buna benzer bir bask\u0131n\u0131n sonucu olarak ger\u00e7ekle\u015fmi\u015fti.<\/p>\n

O programdaki s\u00f6zleriniz hem ifade \u00f6zg\u00fcrl\u00fc\u011f\u00fc hem de hakaret tart\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131 aras\u0131nda alevlenmi\u015fti.<\/strong><\/p>\n

O programda Hz. Muhammed\u2019in ad\u0131 an\u0131lmad\u0131, ima dahi edilmedi. Sadece dine inanman\u0131n yanl\u0131\u015f ve anlams\u0131z bir \u015fey oldu\u011fu \u015feklinde bir kan\u0131 ifade ettim. Bunun dine hakaret olarak alg\u0131lanabilmesi i\u00e7in insanlar\u0131n bak\u0131\u015f a\u00e7\u0131s\u0131n\u0131 \u2018cin \u00e7arpm\u0131\u015f\u2019 olmas\u0131 laz\u0131m. A\u015f\u0131r\u0131 derecede cahil insanlar taraf\u0131ndan y\u00f6netiliyor bu \u00fclke.<\/p>\n

Kitab\u0131n\u0131z\u0131n piyasaya \u00e7\u0131kmas\u0131 beklenenden ge\u00e7 oldu, san\u0131r\u0131m bas\u0131m s\u0131ras\u0131nda s\u0131k\u0131nt\u0131lar ya\u015fad\u0131n\u0131z…<\/strong><\/p>\n

Everest Yay\u0131nlar\u0131 \u00e7e\u015fitli nedenlerle kitab\u0131m\u0131 bir iki ay ge\u00e7 yay\u0131mlamak istedi. Bu da benim ho\u015fuma gitmedi. Bu s\u0131rada Liberte bana bir teklifle geldi. Daha uygun g\u00f6rd\u00fcm, Liberte\u2019den \u00e7\u0131kard\u0131m.<\/p>\n

Bu zamanlamadaki de\u011fi\u015fikli\u011fin sebebi Kuran ve Hz. Muhammed\u2019e y\u00f6nelik ele\u015ftirilerinizden mi kaynaklan\u0131yor acaba?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Zannediyorum ki bununla ilgili. Everest\u2019in y\u00f6neticileri dindar insanlard\u0131r. Muhtemelen dini ele\u015ftiren bir ki\u015finin kitab\u0131n\u0131 basmay\u0131 uygun g\u00f6rmediler, tepki almaktan korktular.<\/p>\n

Sizin i\u00e7in \u2018 <\/strong>T\u00fcrkiye<\/b><\/a> \u2019nin en provokatif ayd\u0131n\u0131\u2019 gibi bir tan\u0131mlama yap\u0131l\u0131yor. Ger\u00e7ekten de Sevan Ni\u015fanyan provokasyon pe\u015finde mi?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Hay\u0131r, sadece kendisine ve okuruna kar\u015f\u0131 d\u00fcr\u00fcst olmaya \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131yor. Bundan ba\u015fka da hi\u00e7bir \u00f6zelli\u011fi, provokatif olma derdi de yoktur. Hatta bundan ho\u015fland\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131 da s\u00f6yleyemem. Gerek siyasi, gerek k\u00fclt\u00fcrel konularda yalan s\u00f6ylememeye \u00e7al\u0131\u015fan bir insand\u0131r Sevan Ni\u015fanyan. Yalan konu\u015fmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131z zaman insanlar\u0131n damar\u0131na bas\u0131yorsunuz. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc \u00f6ylesine korkun\u00e7 bir \u015fekilde iliklerine kadar i\u015flemi\u015f, yalanla ya\u015fayan bir toplum ki bu, kendinizi biraz olsun yalandan ar\u0131nd\u0131rmaya \u00e7al\u0131\u015fman\u0131z insanlara tuhaf geliyor. \u015ea\u015f\u0131rt\u0131c\u0131 geliyor.<\/p>\n

Do\u011fru s\u00f6yleyeni dokuz k\u00f6yden kovarlar m\u0131 diyorsunuz\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n

Kovarlar m\u0131 bilmiyorum ama T\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin k\u00fclt\u00fcr i\u015flerini tekeline alm\u0131\u015f \u00e7evrelerinden kovarlar.<\/p>\n

T\u00fcrkiye\u2019yi korku imparatorlu\u011fu olarak tan\u0131ml\u0131yorsunuz. Kim kimden korkuyor?<\/strong><\/p>\n

T\u00fcrkiye\u2019yi de\u011fil, T\u00fcrkiye Cumhuriyeti Devleti\u2019nden s\u00f6z ediyorum. Bu, \u201cHalk\u0131 korkutuyorlar\u201d anlam\u0131nda de\u011fil, yanl\u0131\u015f anla\u015f\u0131lmas\u0131n. Y\u00f6netenlerin kendileri bir korku i\u00e7inde. Devleti idare edenlerin en temel i\u00e7g\u00fcd\u00fcs\u00fc korkudur \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc.<\/p>\n

Neden korkuyorlar?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Kendilerinden, hakikatlerden, insanlardan\u2026 Ta Cumhuriyet\u2019in ilk g\u00fcnlerine dayanan bir \u015fey bu. Korku iliklerine i\u015flemi\u015f. Gerek d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnsel gerek idari ve icrasal alandaki davran\u0131\u015flar\u0131 korku \u00fczerine kurulmu\u015f olan bir devlet yap\u0131s\u0131 bu. Tabii halka da sirayet ediyor.<\/p>\n

Peki ya siz? Siz korkmuyor musunuz?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Bir \u015fekilde ki\u015fili\u011fimden, belki de ald\u0131\u011f\u0131m e\u011fitimden dolay\u0131 bu korkuyu biraz olsun a\u015fabilmi\u015f olmam, birazc\u0131k s\u0131ra d\u0131\u015f\u0131 geliyor insanlara. \u201cBu adam bizden de\u011fil mi?\u201d duygusuna kap\u0131l\u0131yorlar. \u0130nsan olan baz\u0131 \u015feylerden elbet korkar. Ama T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de insanlar\u0131n korktuklar\u0131 komik \u015feyler…<\/p>\n

Son zamanlarda tehdit ediliyordunuz. Ald\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131z tehdit ve hakaret mesajlar\u0131n\u0131 da yay\u0131mlam\u0131\u015ft\u0131n\u0131z\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n

Bu tehdit mesajlar\u0131 ileten insanlar\u0131n bir\u00e7o\u011fuyla y\u00fcz y\u00fcze kar\u015f\u0131la\u015ft\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131zda, asl\u0131nda kendilerinden korkmu\u015f birer \u00e7ocuk oldu\u011funu g\u00f6r\u00fcyorsunuz. Ana avrat k\u00fcfrederken asl\u0131nda kendi i\u00e7lerindeki korkuyu d\u0131\u015fa vuruyorlar. Onlarla d\u00fcr\u00fcst bir \u015fekilde konu\u015ftu\u011funuzda, ummad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131z bir \u015fekilde kar\u015f\u0131 \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131zda, o kadar h\u0131zl\u0131 d\u00f6n\u00fcyorlar ki \u015fa\u015fars\u0131n\u0131z. \u201cSeni kesece\u011fiz, \u00f6ld\u00fcrece\u011fiz\u201d diyen insanla be\u015f dakika konu\u015fmak yetiyor bana.<\/p>\n

Kitab\u0131n\u0131zda da Susurluk mahk\u00fbmlar\u0131yla birlikte ayn\u0131 ko\u011fu\u015fta rak\u0131 sofras\u0131 kurdu\u011funuzu anlat\u0131yordunuz\u2026 Bu \u2018h\u0131zl\u0131 d\u00f6n\u00fc\u015f\u00fcmle\u2019 \u00e7ok s\u0131k kar\u015f\u0131la\u015f\u0131yorsunuz herhalde. <\/strong><\/p>\n

Buna benzer o kadar \u00e7ok hik\u00e2ye var ki… K\u00f6t\u00fc gibi g\u00f6r\u00fcnen insanlarla tek yapman\u0131z gereken \u015fey, \u201cGel hadi, bak ba\u011fr\u0131m a\u00e7\u0131k. Silahs\u0131z\u0131m, konu\u015fal\u0131m\u201d demek. Bunu yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131zda o kadar h\u0131zl\u0131 insan kazan\u0131yorsunuz ki. Mesela bir keresinde Yusuf Hala\u00e7o\u011flu ile televizyona \u00e7\u0131km\u0131\u015ft\u0131m, o programdan iki g\u00fcn sonra da Trabzon\u2019da \u00fclk\u00fcc\u00fclerin a\u011f\u0131rl\u0131kta oldu\u011fu bir kitabevine gittim. Beni tan\u0131d\u0131lar. \u2018\u2019Aa hocam ho\u015f geldin\u2019\u2019 dediler. Oturduk sohbet ettik.<\/p>\n

Anlatt\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131z seyahatlerde s\u0131k s\u0131k \u00f6l\u00fcmle burun buruna geldi\u011finizi okuyoruz. Bu ya\u015fad\u0131klar\u0131n\u0131z hayata ve olaylara bak\u0131\u015f a\u00e7\u0131n\u0131z\u0131 de\u011fi\u015ftirdi mi?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Birka\u00e7 kez \u00f6l\u00fcmle y\u00fcz y\u00fcze geldim. \u0130nsan kan\u0131ks\u0131yor bir yerden sonra. Bu da bamba\u015fka bir rahatl\u0131k getiriyor, d\u00fcnyaya kar\u015f\u0131 daha rahat olman\u0131 sa\u011fl\u0131yor. Hayat\u0131 \u2018piyangodan \u00e7\u0131km\u0131\u015f bir \u00f6d\u00fcl\u2019 gibi ya\u015famaya ba\u015fl\u0131yorsun. Bu da daha olgun bir insan olmana hizmet ediyor. Kitaptaki hik\u00e2yelerde ba\u015fka insanlar\u0131n kan\u0131n\u0131 donduracak olaylar art\u0131k komik geliyor.<\/p>\n

Bir de \u00e7ok tart\u0131\u015f\u0131lan, <\/strong>\u0130zmir<\/b><\/a> \u2019de dikti\u011finiz an\u0131tmezar mevzuu var. Bu kadar g\u00f6rkemli bir an\u0131t\u0131 hakl\u0131 olarak insanlar yad\u0131rg\u0131yor. Ben de a\u00e7\u0131k\u00e7as\u0131 nedenini merak ediyorum.<\/strong><\/p>\n

(G\u00fcl\u00fcyor) Asl\u0131nda o kadar g\u00f6rkemli, \u015fa\u015faal\u0131 bir \u015fey de\u011fil o. Orada beni heyecanland\u0131ran da\u011f\u0131 oyma hadisesiydi. \u00c7ok da zor bir s\u00fcre\u00e7ti, \u00fc\u00e7 sene u\u011fra\u015ft\u0131rd\u0131 bizi.<\/p>\n

B\u00fcrokratik engeller de \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131 tabii.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Onlar umurumda bile de\u011fildi.Benim i\u00e7in Allah\u2019\u0131n da\u011f\u0131n\u0131 oymak daha zor bir \u015feydi. Neden yapt\u0131m? G\u00fczel oldu\u011fu i\u00e7in, g\u00fczellik penceresi a\u00e7abilmek i\u00e7in yapt\u0131m. \u0130nsanlara bunun yap\u0131labilece\u011fini kan\u0131tlamak cesaret verici. Ayr\u0131ca iki bin sene boyunca orada duracak. Fark\u0131nda m\u0131s\u0131n bilmiyorum ama art\u0131k hayat\u0131m\u0131zdaki hemen hemen her \u015fey, fikirler, eserler gelip ge\u00e7ici\u2026 Plastik. \u00c7ok k\u0131sa zamanda yok olacak ve unutulacak \u015feyler. T\u00fcrkiye Cumhuriyeti\u2019nin y\u00fcz y\u0131l sonraya hi\u00e7bir eseri kalmayacak. O y\u00fczden kal\u0131c\u0131 bir \u015fey yapmak, daha cazip geldi. Oras\u0131 benim mezar\u0131m de\u011fil. Oraya g\u00f6m\u00fclmek gibi bir davam da yok. O, i\u00e7inde ya\u015fad\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z bu hayat\u0131n adili\u011fini, ucuzlu\u011funu, basitli\u011fini a\u015fabilecek bir \u015fey.<\/p>\n

\u2018\u0130nsanlar\u0131n \u00e7o\u011funlu\u011fu derin bir aray\u0131\u015f i\u00e7inde\u2019<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

Bir di\u011fer dikkat \u00e7eken husus da, Kemalizm ele\u015ftirisi yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131zda belirli bir kesimin y\u00fckselen deste\u011fi, ibre y\u00f6n\u00fcn\u00fc Hz. Muhammed\u2019e ve din alg\u0131s\u0131na \u00e7evirdi\u011finde etkisini kaybetmesi. \u201cAman benim kutsal\u0131ma laf s\u00f6yleme\u201d d\u00fcsturundan m\u0131 olsa gerek bu?<\/strong>
\n<\/b><\/p>\n

\u0130nsanlar\u0131n ger\u00e7ek duygu ve d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnceleriyle kamuoyu \u00f6n\u00fcnde savunmak zorunda kald\u0131klar\u0131 tav\u0131rlar aras\u0131nda bir u\u00e7urum var bu memlekette. Bir kesimin kutsal sayd\u0131\u011f\u0131 putlara dokundu\u011funuz zaman inan\u0131lmaz bir yaygara kopar\u0131l\u0131yor. Fakat benim hi\u00e7 \u015fa\u015fmaz bir \u015fekilde g\u00f6zlemledi\u011fim, her t\u00fcrl\u00fc puta tapan kesimde, insanlar\u0131n \u00e7o\u011funlu\u011fu kalplerinin i\u00e7inde derin bir aray\u0131\u015f i\u00e7inde. Dolay\u0131s\u0131yla \u0130slami kesimde bana kar\u015f\u0131 bir kampanya ortaya \u00e7\u0131karmaya \u00e7al\u0131\u015ft\u0131lar. Bunun ger\u00e7ek d\u00fcnyada bir kar\u015f\u0131l\u0131\u011f\u0131 oldu\u011funa inanm\u0131yorum. O lin\u00e7 kampanyas\u0131n\u0131 ba\u015flatan, \u00f6ld\u00fcr\u00fclmemi, tehcir edilmemi s\u00f6yleyen arkada\u015f Ankara<\/a> \u2019daki kitap fuar\u0131nda yan\u0131ma oturdu, beni ikna etmeye \u00e7al\u0131\u015ft\u0131. Ama kastetti\u011fi \u015fey bamba\u015fkayd\u0131. \u201cSen beni ikna et, bana anlat ne olur\u201d diyor. O da bir aray\u0131\u015f i\u00e7inde. T\u0131pk\u0131 T\u00fcrkiye\u2019deki herkes gibi.<\/p>\n

\u2018K\u0131yamet heng\u00e2mesinden para kazanmayaca\u011f\u0131m\u2019<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

\nSon g\u00fcnlerde ya\u015fananlar\u0131n size yans\u0131mas\u0131 nas\u0131l oldu?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Tahmin edece\u011finizin aksine destek g\u00f6rd\u00fcm, Twitter\u2019da takip\u00e7i say\u0131mda inan\u0131lmaz bir patlama oldu… Bunlar\u0131n y\u00fczde 99\u2019u iyi niyetli bir \u015fekilde anlamaya \u00e7al\u0131\u015fan insanlar. Yani iyimserim T\u00fcrkiye hakk\u0131nda. T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de bilgiye a\u00e7 gen\u00e7 insanlar var. Ve bana \u00f6yle geliyor ki, yaz\u0131lar\u0131m onlara iyi geliyor.<\/p>\n

Umutlu musunuz peki?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u00c7ok! T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de b\u00fcy\u00fck bir cehalet, kamu s\u00f6yleminde bir bo\u015fluk, kamuyu da i\u015fgal etmi\u015f \u00e7irkin s\u00f6ylemler var. O s\u00f6ylemleri a\u015ft\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131z zaman insanlar\u0131n kalbi temiz asl\u0131nda.<\/p>\n

Neredeyse b\u00fct\u00fcn d\u00fcnyay\u0131 gezdiniz, sonra d\u00f6ne dola\u015fa \u015eirince\u2019ye geldiniz\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u015eirince d\u00fcnyada bir benzeri olmayan yer. Burada kendimi verimli hissediyorum. Hem yap\u0131 hem de entelekt\u00fcel alanda. Memlekete hay\u0131rl\u0131 i\u015fler yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorum.<\/p>\n

Ve 21 Aral\u0131k\u2019ta da pek \u00e7ok ki\u015fi oraya ak\u0131n edecek\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n

Valla k\u0131yamet hik\u00e2yesini \u00e7\u0131karan ben de\u011filim. Ama madem ortaya \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131, \u201cBuyurun e\u011flenelim\u201d dedim. \u0130nsanlar\u0131 davet ettim. Kamuoyunda \u201cBunu ticari ama\u00e7l\u0131 ortaya \u00e7\u0131kard\u0131lar\u201d gibi bir sa\u00e7mal\u0131k olu\u015ftu. Belki de \u00f6yledir ama ben buna bula\u015fmak istemedi\u011fim i\u00e7in otelin tamamen \u00fccretsiz oldu\u011funu ilan ettim. K\u0131yamet heng\u00e2mesinden para kazanmak gibi bir ucuzlu\u011fa d\u00fc\u015fmeyece\u011fimi s\u00f6yledim. \u0130yi de oldu. O g\u00fcn ayn\u0131 zamanda benim do\u011fum g\u00fcn\u00fcm, k\u00fc\u00e7\u00fck bir partinin de g\u00fczel olaca\u011f\u0131n\u0131 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorum.<\/p>\n

O g\u00fcn \u015eirince\u2019de yer bulmak m\u00fcmk\u00fcn olmayacak galiba.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Ben korkuyorum a\u00e7\u0131k\u00e7as\u0131 \u201cNerede yat\u0131rabilirim bu insanlar\u0131\u201d diye. Yani \u00e7ad\u0131r\u0131n\u0131z varsa getirin. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc ger\u00e7ekten \u00e7ok fazla say\u0131da insan gelecek. Hatta gelecekseniz yata\u011f\u0131n\u0131z\u0131 yorgan\u0131z\u0131 da beraberinizde getirin.<\/p>\n

Alpbu\u011fra Bahad\u0131r G\u00fcltekin<\/b><\/a><\/p>\n

bahadir.gultekin@radikal.com.tr<\/b><\/a><\/p>\n

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\u00d6nce Hz. Muhammed ile ilgili s\u00f6zleri ele\u015ftirildi, sonra konuk olarak kat\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131 program RT\u00dcK taraf\u0131ndan uyar\u0131ld\u0131. ‘T\u00fcrkiye’nin en provokatif ayd\u0131n\u0131’ olarak nitelendirilen Sevan Ni\u015fanyan ile yeni kitab\u0131 ‘Aslanl\u0131 Yol’ i\u00e7in konu\u015ftuk, son g\u00fcnlerde ya\u015fananlar\u0131 sorduk. 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