{"id":16229,"date":"2012-06-26T03:02:08","date_gmt":"2012-06-26T08:02:08","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?p=16229"},"modified":"2012-06-26T03:02:08","modified_gmt":"2012-06-26T08:02:08","slug":"ali-topu-artik-agopa-da-atmali","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/akunq.net\/turkish\/2012\/06\/26\/ali-topu-artik-agopa-da-atmali\/","title":{"rendered":"“Ali Topu Art\u0131k Agop’a da Atmal\u0131”"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"\"<\/a>T\u00fcrkiyeli Ermenilerin sesine kulak veren yeni ara\u015ft\u0131rmas\u0131 \u00e7er\u00e7evesinde TESEV’in d\u00fczenledi\u011fi panelde, kat\u0131l\u0131mc\u0131lar Ermeniler nezdinde, T\u00fcrkiye’de az\u0131nl\u0131klara uygulanan ayr\u0131mc\u0131l\u0131\u011f\u0131 a\u015fman\u0131n yolar\u0131n\u0131 tart\u0131\u015ft\u0131.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

T\u00fcrkiye Ekonomik ve Sosyal Et\u00fcdler Vakf\u0131 (TESEV) Demokratikle\u015fme Program\u0131 Konferans\u0131’n\u0131n ikinci g\u00fcn\u00fcnde (25 Haziran 2011) ilk seansta “Ge\u00e7i\u015f D\u00f6neminde Vatanda\u015fl\u0131k I: T\u00fcrkiyeli Ermenileri Duymak” ba\u015fl\u0131kl\u0131 panel yap\u0131ld\u0131.<\/p>\n

Marmara \u00dcniversitesi’nden G\u00fcnay G\u00f6ksu \u00d6zdo\u011fan, \u0130stanbul Bilgi \u00dcniversitesi’nden Ohannes K\u0131l\u0131\u00e7da\u011f\u0131’n\u0131n konu\u015fmac\u0131, Agos Gazetesi’nden Rober Kopta\u015f’\u0131n ise tart\u0131\u015fmac\u0131 olarak kat\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131 panelin moderat\u00f6rl\u00fc\u011f\u00fcn\u00fc E\u015fitlik ve Demokrasi Partisi’nden Ufuk Uras yapt\u0131.<\/p>\n

Ufuk Uras paneli a\u00e7arken, asl\u0131nda se\u00e7ilen ba\u015fl\u0131ktaki “ge\u00e7i\u015f s\u00fcreci” tan\u0131m\u0131na alerjisi oldu\u011funu belirtti: “\u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc 60’l\u0131 y\u0131llardan beri ge\u00e7i\u015f s\u00fcrecinde oldu\u011fumuz s\u00f6yleniyor, bir t\u00fcrl\u00fc ge\u00e7emiyoruz. Muhtemelen 50’li y\u0131llarda da bundan bahsediliyordu. Ge\u00e7i\u015f d\u00f6nemi derken, bir d\u00f6nemin bitip di\u011ferinin ba\u015flama s\u00fcrecini ifade ederiz. Ama bir t\u00fcrl\u00fc eski d\u00f6nem bitmiyor, yenisi de ba\u015flam\u0131yor. Biz buna kriz diyoruz asl\u0131nda”.<\/p>\n

Meclis Posta B\u00fcrosu’nun sans\u00fcr\u00fc<\/strong><\/p>\n

Yurtta\u015f devlet ili\u015fkisinde \u00f6zellikle Ermeni yurtta\u015flar a\u00e7\u0131s\u0131ndan asimetrik durum de\u011fi\u015febilir mi meselesinin siyaseten ele al\u0131nmas\u0131 gerekti\u011fini s\u00f6yleyen Uras, 23. D\u00f6nem milletvekilli\u011fi s\u0131ras\u0131nda Meclis’ten 548 yasan\u0131n ge\u00e7ti\u011fini belirtti. Bu a\u00e7\u0131dan meclisin Avrupa’daki meclislerden daha \u00e7ok \u00e7al\u0131\u015ft\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131, ama bunun nedeninin, o \u00fclkelerde temel yasalar zaten ger\u00e7ekle\u015ftirmi\u015f olmalar\u0131 oldu\u011funu ve T\u00fcrkiye’nin daha \u00e7ok yol almas\u0131 gerekti\u011fini ifade etti.<\/p>\n

Uras milletvekilli\u011fi s\u0131ras\u0131nda yak\u0131ndan tan\u0131k oldu\u011fu devletin ayr\u0131mc\u0131l\u0131k konusunda kurumsalla\u015fm\u0131\u015f halini \u015f\u00f6yle anlatt\u0131: “D\u0131\u015f i\u015fleri komisyonunda d\u00f6rt y\u0131l boyunca yer ald\u0131m. Orada b\u00fct\u00fcn politik havaya g\u00f6re de\u011fi\u015fti\u011fini g\u00f6rd\u00fcm. Mesela Kanada’yla \u00e7ifte vergilendirme konusunda bir karar m\u0131 al\u0131nacak komisyonda; ba\u015fka MHP ve CHP’li vekiller hemen \u015ferh koyuyor ‘efendim Kanada Parlamentosu Ermeni Soyk\u0131r\u0131m ile ilgili karar alm\u0131\u015ft\u0131’ olmaz diyorlar, AKP buna tamam diyor. Kanada ile anla\u015fma kal\u0131yor. Ama iki ay sonra karar sessiz sedas\u0131z ge\u00e7ebiliyor. B\u00f6yle bir gelgit i\u00e7erisinde g\u00f6rev yapt\u0131k.”<\/p>\n

Uras bir ba\u015fka \u00f6rnek daha verdi: “Ermeni arkada\u015flar\u0131m\u0131z bizim yay\u0131nlar\u0131m\u0131z Meclis’e ula\u015fm\u0131yor diyerek konuya e\u011filmemi istediler. Soru \u00f6nergesi verdim. Ortaya \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131 ki Meclis’te bir posta b\u00fcrosu var. Milletvekillerine g\u00f6nderilen kitaplar orada filtreden ge\u00e7iyor; baz\u0131 kitaplar oraya tak\u0131l\u0131yor. Peki hani kritere g\u00f6re karar veriliyor? Milletvekillerine bilgi ak\u0131\u015f\u0131 neye g\u00f6re d\u00fczenleniyor sorusu 23. d\u00f6nemde yan\u0131t bulamad\u0131. Umar\u0131m 24. D\u00f6nemde bulunur.”<\/p>\n

Daha sonra Uras, s\u00f6z\u00fc TESEV b\u00fcnyesinde T\u00fcrkiyeli Ermenilerini Duymak ba\u015fl\u0131kl\u0131 bir \u00e7al\u0131\u015fma yapan G\u00fcnay G\u00f6ksu \u00d6zdo\u011fan ve Ohannes K\u0131l\u0131\u00e7da\u011f\u0131’na b\u0131rakt\u0131.<\/p>\n

\u00d6zdo\u011fan \u00e7al\u0131\u015fman\u0131n genel \u00e7er\u00e7evesi hakk\u0131nda bilgi verdi. 2010 Ekim’de ba\u015flay\u0131p d\u00f6rt ay s\u00fcren \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmada T\u00fcrkiyeli Ermenileri dinlediklerini, onlar\u0131n ayr\u0131mc\u0131l\u0131\u011f\u0131 nas\u0131l ya\u015fad\u0131klar\u0131n\u0131 ve bug\u00fcn\u00fcn T\u00fcrkiyesini nas\u0131l g\u00f6rd\u00fcklerini ve g\u00fcnl\u00fck hayatlar\u0131nda ya\u015fad\u0131klar\u0131n\u0131 ara\u015ft\u0131rd\u0131klar\u0131n\u0131 anlatt\u0131. \u00d6zdo\u011fan \u00f6zellikle Lozan sonras\u0131 olu\u015fturulan az\u0131nl\u0131klara e\u015fitsiz yakla\u015f\u0131m\u0131n Diyanet \u0130\u015fleri Ba\u015fkanl\u0131\u011f\u0131, az\u0131nl\u0131klar\u0131n kendi din adamlar\u0131n\u0131n yeti\u015ftirememesi, okullar\u0131n\u0131n i\u015flevsizle\u015ftirilmesi gibi kurumsal yans\u0131malar\u0131n\u0131 de\u015fifre etti.<\/p>\n

Millet-i hakimiye, millet-i mahkumiye ayr\u0131m\u0131<\/strong><\/p>\n

Ohannes K\u0131l\u0131\u00e7da\u011f\u0131 ise \u00e7al\u0131\u015fman\u0131n \u00e7ok kapsaml\u0131 oldu\u011fu ve k\u0131sa bir s\u00fcrede t\u00fcm ba\u015fl\u0131klar\u0131 \u00f6zetlemenin m\u00fcmk\u00fcn olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 belirterek ba\u015flad\u0131\u011f\u0131 konu\u015fmas\u0131nda \u00f6ncelikle devlet eliyle uygulanan ayr\u0131mc\u0131l\u0131\u011f\u0131 ele ald\u0131. K\u0131l\u0131\u00e7da\u011f\u0131 ayr\u0131mc\u0131l\u0131\u011f\u0131n arka plan\u0131nda, zemininde “T\u00fcrkiye’de ya\u015fayan insanlar\u0131 T\u00fcrkler ve \u00f6tekiler olarak s\u0131n\u0131fland\u0131rman\u0131n” oldu\u011funu belirtti.<\/p>\n

“Osmanl\u0131’dan ald\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z terminolojiyle s\u00f6ylersek: Millet-i hakimiye ve millet-i mahkumiye. Buradaki alg\u0131da T\u00fcrk olmayanlar T\u00fcrklere ancak tabi olabilirler anlay\u0131\u015f\u0131 var. \u00d6tekileri misafir, gelip ge\u00e7ici olarak tan\u0131mlamak ve kabaca toparlamak gerekirse sonu\u00e7ta misafir de umdu\u011funu de\u011fil ve buldu\u011funu yemeli sonucuna ula\u015f\u0131l\u0131r”.<\/p>\n

K\u0131l\u0131\u00e7da\u011f\u0131, \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmaya kat\u0131lanlar\u0131n kafalar\u0131na tak\u0131lan en \u00f6nemli sorunun olarak T\u00fcrkiye’de s\u0131kl\u0131kla “Bu \u00fclkenin y\u00fczde 99’u M\u00fcsl\u00fcman’d\u0131r s\u00f6yleminin kullan\u0131lmas\u0131”n\u0131 g\u00f6sterdiklerini aktard\u0131.<\/p>\n

Agos Gazatesi Yay\u0131n Y\u00f6netmeni Rober Kopta\u015f ise bu \u00e7al\u0131\u015fman\u0131n \u00e7ok \u00f6nemli oldu\u011funu s\u00f6yledi.<\/p>\n

“Biz y\u0131llard\u0131r yurtd\u0131\u015f\u0131ndan ve yurti\u00e7inden sorunlar\u0131n\u0131z nelerdir, neler ya\u015fad\u0131n\u0131z, geli\u015fme, olumlu ad\u0131mlar var m\u0131 gibi sorularla muhatap oluyoruz. Ve hep yan\u0131t verirken s\u0131f\u0131rdan ba\u015flamak zorunda kal\u0131yorduk. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc kar\u015f\u0131m\u0131zdaki insanlar \u00e7o\u011funlukla bu konu hakk\u0131nda hi\u00e7bir \u015fey bilmiyorlar ve \u00f6\u011frenmek istiyorlar. Art\u0131k bu konuyu enine boyuna ara\u015ft\u0131rm\u0131\u015f, tan\u0131kl\u0131klar\u0131, ya\u015fanm\u0131\u015fl\u0131klar\u0131 aktaran bir metne sahibiz. Bu sorular kar\u015f\u0131s\u0131nda ‘Al, i\u015fte bunu oku’ diyebilece\u011fiz. Ger\u00e7ekten raporda de\u011finilmemi\u015f konu kalmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 g\u00f6r\u00fcyorum. Eme\u011fi ge\u00e7enlere \u00e7ok te\u015fekk\u00fcr ediyorum”.<\/p>\n

Kopta\u015f \u00e7al\u0131\u015fman\u0131n bir ba\u015fka g\u00fczelli\u011finin Ermenilerin konu\u015fmas\u0131 oldu\u011funu belirtti. “\u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc Ermeniler, Cumhuriyet tarihi boyunca ya\u015fad\u0131\u011f\u0131 bask\u0131lar nedeniyle konu\u015fma, kendini ifade yetene\u011fi kaybettirilmi\u015f bir topluluk. Hep kapal\u0131 kap\u0131lar ard\u0131nda, k\u0131s\u0131r tart\u0131\u015fmalar, s\u0131\u011f konularla konu\u015fulmu\u015f. Rapor \u015fu g\u00f6sterdi, e\u011fer uygun ve g\u00fcvenli bir ortam verilirse Ermeniler, tart\u0131\u015fabiliyor, fikir \u00fcretebiliyor ve \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fcm\u00fcn par\u00e7as\u0131 olabiliyorlar.”<\/p>\n

\u00c7\u00f6z\u00fcm Lozan’da de\u011fil, yeni Anayasa’da<\/strong><\/p>\n

Cumhuriyet tarihinin devletin az\u0131nl\u0131klar politikas\u0131 nedeniyle bir yok etme, bask\u0131 kurma, bir m\u00fclks\u00fczle\u015ftirme tarihi oldu\u011funu s\u00f6yleyen Kopta\u015f, bu nedenle Ermenilerin 60 bin kadar kald\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131, gayrim\u00fcslim say\u0131s\u0131n\u0131n y\u00fczbin civar\u0131nda oldu\u011funu ifade etti: “Bug\u00fcn burada Ermeni sorununu konu\u015fuyor olmam\u0131z asl\u0131nda bir mucize. Bu konu\u015fma, bu rapor bu nedenle \u00e7ok simgesel. 60 bin kalm\u0131\u015f bir cemaatin gelecek ad\u0131na bir \u015fey s\u00f6yleyemiyor olmas\u0131 beklenirdi. Ama \u00f6yle de\u011fil. Gelecek ad\u0131na umut verici. Yalpalayarak bir ilerlese de bu \u00fclkede bir demokratikle\u015fme m\u00fccadelesi var. Ben bir Ermeni olarak yalpalasa da bir m\u00fccadelenin olmas\u0131n\u0131n \u00f6nemli oldu\u011funu d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorum.”<\/p>\n

Az\u0131nl\u0131klar konusu konu\u015fulurken her zaman Lozan’a at\u0131fta bulunuldu\u011funu s\u00f6yleyen Kopta\u015f, uluslararas\u0131 bir anla\u015fma olarak Anayasa’n\u0131n \u00fczerinde bir hukuki de\u011ferinin oldu\u011funu ama y\u0131llar i\u00e7inde oradaki haklar\u0131n da delik de\u015fik edildi\u011fini belirten Kopta\u015f, “Yeni Anayasa’y\u0131 tart\u0131\u015faca\u011f\u0131m\u0131z \u00f6n\u00fcm\u00fczdeki d\u00f6nemde Lozan’\u0131n yerini, gayrim\u00fcslimlerin durumunun ne olmas\u0131 gerekti\u011fini yeniden de\u011ferlendirmemiz gerekiyor. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc Lozan i\u015flevini b\u00fcy\u00fck oranda yitirmi\u015f bir anla\u015fma gibi geliyor bana.<\/p>\n

Az\u0131nl\u0131k haklar\u0131, b\u00f6lgesel haklar \u00e7ok de\u011fi\u015fti ve \u00f6n\u00fcm\u00fczde yeni bir toplumsal s\u00f6zle\u015fme yapma \u015fans\u0131 var; ba\u015fka hi\u00e7bir devletle tart\u0131\u015fma durumunda kalmadan, i\u00e7imizde biz bize az\u0131nl\u0131k haklar\u0131n\u0131 g\u00f6zeten yeni bir Anayasa yapabiliriz. Lozan at\u0131f\u0131 beni \u015fu a\u00e7\u0131dan da rahats\u0131z ediyor. Bu anla\u015fma yabanc\u0131 devletlerle yap\u0131lm\u0131\u015f, zaten yabanc\u0131 g\u00f6r\u00fclen Ermenilerin sorunu tart\u0131\u015f\u0131l\u0131rken, d\u0131\u015f g\u00fc\u00e7lerle yap\u0131lan bir anla\u015fma ortaya at\u0131l\u0131nca biraz daha d\u0131\u015farl\u0131k hale getiriliyoruz sanki. Yabanc\u0131 alg\u0131s\u0131n\u0131 besliyor. Ben \u015fahsen bu sorunun bu topraklarda kafam\u0131z\u0131 g\u00f6z\u00fcm\u00fcz\u00fc yara yara da olsa \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fcm\u00fcn\u00fc bulabilece\u011fimize inan\u0131yorum. Bu samimiyet bu topraklarda mevcut.”<\/p>\n

Devletin gayrim\u00fcslimlere ayr\u0131mc\u0131 yakla\u015f\u0131m\u0131ndan vazge\u00e7mesinin, bak\u0131\u015f\u0131n pozitif olmas\u0131 gerekti\u011fini s\u00f6yleyen Kopta\u015f “Hatta say\u0131lar\u0131 bu kadar azalm\u0131\u015f cemaatlere pozitif ayr\u0131mc\u0131l\u0131k uygulanmal\u0131. Art\u0131k n\u00f6tr duru\u015f, ayr\u0131mc\u0131l\u0131\u011f\u0131n kalkmas\u0131 aritmetik olarak i\u015flevsizle\u015fti. Gittik\u00e7e yok olan bir topluluk var, t\u00fcm az\u0131nl\u0131klar\u0131n dinlerini, dillerini ve k\u00fclt\u00fcrlerini ya\u015famal\u0131 ve bu konuda desteklenmeli. Aksi takdirde hayat kalmayacak, 20 sene sonra Ermeni cemaati 30 bin ki\u015fiye gerileyecek, 50 sene sonra ise belki hi\u00e7 kalmayacak.”<\/p>\n

Kopta\u015f \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fcm\u00fcn y\u0131llar i\u00e7inde toplumda olu\u015fturulan ayr\u0131mc\u0131 anlay\u0131\u015f\u0131n de\u011fi\u015fmesinin bug\u00fcnden yar\u0131na de\u011fi\u015fmesinin zor oldu\u011funu ama biran \u00f6nce ad\u0131m at\u0131lmas\u0131 gerekti\u011fini savundu: “Anayasa tabii \u00f6nemli ama e\u011fitim sisteminin de de\u011fi\u015fmesi gerekiyor. \u00c7ocuklar\u0131 e\u011fitirken Ermenileri hain, yabanc\u0131, \u00f6teki, d\u00fc\u015fman oldu\u011fu yerle\u015ftiriliyor. Bunu daha sonra de\u011fi\u015ftirmek o kadar zor ki. Ders kitaplar\u0131n\u0131n de\u011fi\u015fmesi, ifadelerinin de\u011fi\u015fmesi, ayr\u0131mc\u0131 dilden kurtar\u0131lmas\u0131 gerekiyor. \u00c7ok dinli, dilli, k\u00fclt\u00fcrl\u00fc ders kitaplar\u0131n\u0131n e\u011fitime eklemlenmesi gerekiyor. Ali’nin topu Agopa’a da atmas\u0131 b\u00fcy\u00fck bir d\u00f6n\u00fc\u015f\u00fcme ad\u0131m at\u0131lmas\u0131n\u0131 sa\u011flayabilir.”<\/p>\n

Haluk KALAFAT<\/em><\/strong><\/a> <\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

haluk@bianet.org<\/em><\/strong><\/a><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

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