{"id":15163,"date":"2012-05-21T03:01:43","date_gmt":"2012-05-21T08:01:43","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?p=15163"},"modified":"2012-05-21T03:01:43","modified_gmt":"2012-05-21T08:01:43","slug":"turkiyede-500-bin-gizli-ermeni-var","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/akunq.net\/turkish\/2012\/05\/21\/turkiyede-500-bin-gizli-ermeni-var\/","title":{"rendered":"T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de 500 bin gizli Ermeni var"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"\"<\/a>T\u00fcrkiye y\u0131llard\u0131r kripto Ermeniler\u2019in varl\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 konu\u015fup dururken Almanya Ermeni Patri\u011fi\u2019nden \u015fok a\u00e7\u0131klama geldi: T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de, ad\u0131n\u0131 de\u011fi\u015ftiren 500 bin Ermeni var. <\/strong><\/p>\n

Farkl\u0131 din ve milletlere mensup olmalar\u0131na ra\u011fmen kendilerini T\u00fcrk ve M\u00fcsl\u00fcman gibi g\u00f6steren ki\u015filerin varl\u0131\u011f\u0131 y\u0131llard\u0131r tart\u0131\u015f\u0131l\u0131yor.<\/p>\n

\u015eeyh Said\\’in torunu Abd\u00fclilah F\u0131rat, ge\u00e7ti\u011fimiz ekim ay\u0131nda Zaman\\’a yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131 a\u00e7\u0131klamada, dedeleri d\u00f6neminde binlerce Ermeni k\u00f6y\u00fcn\u00fcn \u0130slam\\’a ge\u00e7erek K\u00fcrtle\u015fti\u011fini s\u00f6ylemi\u015fti. Ahmet \u00d6zay\\’\u0131n sorular\u0131n\u0131 cevaplayan Almanya Ermeni Patri\u011fi Karekin Bekciyan da ilgin\u00e7 bir iddiada bulundu. Anne taraf\u0131ndan Ankara Keskinli, baba taraf\u0131ndan Kayserili olan Bekciyan, T\u00fcrkiye\\’de ismini de\u011fi\u015ftiren yakla\u015f\u0131k 500 bin Ermeni oldu\u011funu savundu. Kemal Yal\u00e7\u0131n\\’\u0131n konuyla ilgili kitab\u0131n\u0131 kaynak g\u00f6steren Bekciyan, \\”Mesela Ad\u0131yaman\\’da, Rize\\’de, Hem\u015fin\\’in oralarda bir s\u00fcr\u00fc ismini de\u011fi\u015ftirmi\u015f insanlar var.\\” diyor.<\/p>\n

R\u00f6portaj: Ahmet \u00d6zay\/Zaman<\/strong><\/p>\n

Almanya\u2019daki \u00fc\u00e7 Ermeni kilisesinden sorumlu Patrik Karekin Bekciyan, T\u00fcrkiye-Ermenistan sorununun \u2018kom\u015fuluk hukuku\u2019 ile \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fclece\u011fine inan\u0131yor: \u201c Anadolu\u2019da, yan yana ya\u015fad\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z zamanlarda nas\u0131l davran\u0131yorduysak, yine \u00f6yle olmal\u0131y\u0131z.\\”<\/p>\n

Almanya Ermeni Patrikli\u011fi 1991\u2019den beri faaliyet g\u00f6steriyor. \u00dclkedeki Ermeni n\u00fcfus bug\u00fcn 40 binin \u00fczerine \u00e7\u0131km\u0131\u015f durumda. Say\u0131n\u0131n art\u0131\u015f\u0131, y\u0131k\u0131lan Sovyetlerden sonra Do\u011fu Almanya\u2019ya gelen Ermeniler ile do\u011fru orant\u0131l\u0131. T\u00fcrkiye k\u00f6kenli Ermenilere yenileri eklenince 1990\u2019l\u0131 y\u0131llar\u0131n ba\u015f\u0131nda Almanya Patrikli\u011fi kuruldu. Ancak, Katolik, Ortodoks ve Protestan kiliselerini dini cemaat olarak tan\u0131yan Almanya \u201cAlmanya Ermeni Patrikli\u011fi\u201dni resmen tan\u0131mad\u0131\u011f\u0131ndan, \u201cpatriklik\u201d dernek stat\u00fcs\u00fcnde g\u00f6z\u00fck\u00fcyor.<\/p>\n

Almanya\u2019daki Ermeniler nerelerden gelmi\u015f, ne zaman ba\u015flad\u0131 g\u00f6\u00e7ler? <\/strong><\/p>\n

Ermenilerin b\u00fcy\u00fck bir k\u0131sm\u0131 T\u00fcrkiye\u2019den, 1960\u2019larda gelmeye ba\u015flam\u0131\u015f. 1970\u2019lerde Beyrut\u2019ta \u00e7\u0131kan sava\u015f\u0131n ard\u0131ndan epeyce Ermeni buraya geldi. \u0130ran\u2019dan 1978\u2019den sonra geldiler. 1990\u2019dan sonra da Ermenistanl\u0131 Ermeniler g\u00f6\u00e7 ettiler. \u015eimdi, \u00fc\u00e7 kilisemiz var; K\u00f6ln\u2019de, G\u00f6ppingen\u2019de ve Halle\u2019de.<\/p>\n

T\u00fcrkler gibi siz de inan\u00e7lar\u0131n\u0131z\u0131 koruma m\u00fccadelesinde misiniz? <\/strong><\/p>\n

Tabii, onlar i\u00e7in \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131yoruz. Hem dini ayinler hem sosyal etkinliklerle. \u0130lk geldi\u011fim d\u00f6nemde etik normlar, dini inan\u00e7lar g\u00fc\u00e7l\u00fcyd\u00fc. Mesela ben Bochum\u2019da oturuyordum. Cemaatimiz yoktu, Ermeni yoktu. O tarihlerde en g\u00f6ze \u00e7arpan \u015fey, ailelerin sokaklarda temiz giyinmi\u015f \u00e7ocuklar\u0131 ile ayine gitmeleri idi. \u015eimdi b\u00f6yle bir \u015fey s\u00f6z konusu de\u011fil. Yozla\u015fmaya do\u011fru giden bir \u015fey seziyorum.<\/p>\n

Almanya\u2019daki Ermeniler varl\u0131kl\u0131 m\u0131d\u0131r? <\/strong><\/p>\n

Yok yok… 1985\u2019ten sonra k\u00fc\u00e7\u00fck k\u00fc\u00e7\u00fck d\u00fckkanlar a\u00e7t\u0131lar. Gen\u00e7ler okuyup baz\u0131 yerlere gelmeye \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131yor. \u00dcniversitede \u00f6\u011fretim \u00fcyesi olan birka\u00e7 ki\u015fi \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131. Doktorlar var mesela…<\/p>\n

Ermeni ailesinde \u00f6nemli kavramlar nedir? <\/strong><\/p>\n

Namus tabii ki. Namus en \u00f6nemli \u015feylerden biri. Yalan dolan olmayacak. Biz \u00e7ok fakir bir aileydik \u00f6rne\u011fin. Babam kundurac\u0131yd\u0131 \u0130stanbul Kumkap\u0131\u2019da. Annem de orada burada \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131rd\u0131. Bir yere gitti\u011fimizde ben \u00e7ocuk olarak \u00f6zenirdim. Bir ailenin \u00e7ocu\u011fu var benim ya\u015f\u0131t\u0131m. Bir kamyonu var, bir oyunca\u011f\u0131 var. \u2018Aman el s\u00fcrme ona\u2019 derlerdi. Biz b\u00f6yle b\u00fcy\u00fct\u00fcld\u00fck. Dini inanc\u0131 olan herhangi bir insanda, T\u00fcrk olsun, Azeri olsun, Ermeni olsun ayn\u0131 kavramlar vard\u0131r. \u00c7ocuk yeti\u015ftirirken dini y\u00f6nden vaftiz olmas\u0131 gerekir. Vaftizin kar\u015f\u0131l\u0131\u011f\u0131 M\u00fcsl\u00fcmanlarda s\u00fcnnettir… Biz vaftize Ermenicede \u2018M\u0131g\u0131rdu\u00e7un\u2019 deriz. \u2018M\u0131grat\u2019 yani \u2018makastan\u2019 gelir.<\/p>\n

Peki cemaatinizde T\u00fcrk ile evli var m\u0131? <\/strong><\/p>\n

Var. T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de yar\u0131 yar\u0131ya \u00e7\u0131km\u0131\u015f mesela evlilikler. Burada da yar\u0131 yar\u0131ya diyemeyiz ama var. Gen\u00e7ler var. Annelerine, babalar\u0131na s\u00f6ylemiyorlar. Geliyorlar \u2018Arkada\u015fl\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z var. T\u00fcrk ile evlenece\u011fiz\u2019 diyorlar. Ben de \u2018E\u011fer ayr\u0131lman\u0131z m\u00fcmk\u00fcn de\u011filse, evlenmeniz ve aile kurman\u0131z gerekliyse bunu yap\u0131n; ama ikiniz de birbirinizi kand\u0131rmay\u0131n dini y\u00f6nden. Kendi kendinizi kand\u0131rabilirsiniz; ama Allah\u2019\u0131 kand\u0131ramazs\u0131n\u0131z. Bir o\u011flun oldu diyelim. E\u011fer kocan T\u00fcrk\u2019se o s\u00fcnnet olsun diyor, sen de \u2018Olmaz, vaftiz olsun!\u2019 diyorsan bunu oturun \u00f6nceden halledin. Burada anla\u015f\u0131rsan\u0131z mesele yok\u2019 diyorum.<\/p>\n

Cemaatinizde \u00e7ok T\u00fcrk ismi ta\u015f\u0131yan insan var. Sizce caiz midir? <\/strong><\/p>\n

Caiz derseniz ba\u015fka… Mesela bir T\u00fcrk ailesinin \u00e7ocu\u011funun ismi her iki taraf da T\u00fcrk ise Michael olmaz yani. Anadolu\u2019da ya\u015fayanlar \u00fczerinde bask\u0131 vard\u0131. \u0130\u015fte \u2018gavur, mavur\u2019 laflar\u0131 duymamak i\u00e7in… \u0130nsanlar \u00e7ekinerek kendi isimlerini de\u011fi\u015ftirdi. Baz\u0131lar\u0131, Anadolu\u2019da \u2018Bug\u00fcn Ermeni var m\u0131, yok mu?\u2019 sorusuna kar\u015f\u0131, sanki biliyorlarm\u0131\u015f gibi \u2018yok\u2019 deyip \u00e7\u0131k\u0131yorlar. Ama Kemal Yal\u00e7\u0131n\u2019\u0131n kitab\u0131n\u0131 okursan\u0131z bug\u00fcn yar\u0131m milyondan fazla ismini de\u011fi\u015ftiren Ermeni var Anadolu\u2019da. Mesela… Ad\u0131yaman\u2019da, Rize\u2019de, Hem\u015fin\u2019in oralarda bir s\u00fcr\u00fc ismini de\u011fi\u015ftirmi\u015f insanlar var.<\/p>\n

Misyonerlik konusunda korkular var. Ermenistan\u2019da da var m\u0131 misyonerlik tehdidi? <\/strong><\/p>\n

Ba\u015ftan beri \u00f6yle bir misyonerlik faaliyetleri olmam\u0131\u015ft\u0131r bizde. Ancak misyonerlik bildi\u011fin \u015feyi vaaz etmekse bu yasak de\u011fil T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de. Ama adam onu ikna edip de kendi cemaatine alabiliyorsa buna kar\u015f\u0131 ne yapabilirsin sen? Mesela bug\u00fcn Ermenistan\u2019da b\u00fct\u00fcn mezhepler var. Bize y\u00f6nelik Yehova \u015eahitleri var. Protestan, Katoliklerden sonra Mormonlar var. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc bunlar\u0131n i\u015fin i\u00e7ine girip de bug\u00fcnk\u00fc Ermenistan halk\u0131n\u0131n iktisadi durumunu suiistimal etmesinden kaynaklan\u0131yor. Orada fakir, ekme\u011fe muhta\u00e7 olan insan var. Sen orada \u2018Benim dinime gel, ben sana her \u015feyi veririm\u2019 dedi\u011fin zaman bu k\u00f6t\u00fc bir \u015fey. Bunu yapt\u0131klar\u0131 i\u00e7in benim zoruma gidiyor. Kar\u015f\u0131ndaki o kadar b\u00fcy\u00fck bir g\u00fc\u00e7 ki.<\/p>\n

Ermeni-T\u00fcrk ili\u015fkileri \u00fczerine gen\u00e7lere ne s\u00f6ylemek istersiniz? <\/strong><\/p>\n

Diyalo\u011fa inanan biriyim. Hem Ermeni hem de T\u00fcrk \u00e7evrelerinde a\u015f\u0131r\u0131 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnenler var. \u2018Onlarla konu\u015fulmaz\u2019 diyorlar bir k\u0131sm\u0131. Efendim T\u00fcrk k\u0131sm\u0131 da \u2018Onlar zaten kendileri yapm\u0131\u015ft\u0131r, tarihte, biz onlarla konu\u015famay\u0131z\u2019 tutumunda. Bunlar bo\u015f laflar. Sizin benim ne fark\u0131m\u0131z var? El ayak, burun, kafa olarak. Bizim b\u00f6yle \u015fartlanmalarla oyuna gelmememiz laz\u0131m. Diyalog yoluyla, akl\u0131m\u0131z\u0131 kullanarak medeni bir \u015fekilde oturup konu\u015fmam\u0131z laz\u0131m.<\/p>\n

T\u00fcrklerle Ermeniler aras\u0131nda halledilemeyecek mesele yok denilebilir mi? <\/strong><\/p>\n

Niye hal olmas\u0131n ki? 1915\u2019e kadar iyi ya\u015fad\u0131klar\u0131na g\u00f6re. Ondan sonra ba\u015flad\u0131 b\u00fct\u00fcn mesele. Onun i\u00e7inde de ba\u015fka bir s\u00fcr\u00fc \u015fey var. \u015eimdi o Ermeni tehcir meselesi falan filan. Baz\u0131 konular var. Hi\u00e7 konu\u015fulmuyor. Ba\u015fka fakt\u00f6rler var i\u015fin i\u00e7inde.<\/p>\n

Siyaset mi? <\/strong><\/p>\n

Siyaset tabii. Mesela \u2018Berlin-Ba\u011fdat Demiryolu Meselesi\u2019 var. Ondan sonra \u0130ngilizlerin, Almanlar\u0131n tutumu var. T\u00fcrklerle beraber g\u00fcvensizlik meseleleri var. Bir tek Talat Pa\u015fa oturup da \u2018Bunlar\u0131 b\u00f6yle yapal\u0131m\u2019 diye d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnmemi\u015f. Ama ger\u00e7ekte burada etik bir mesele var. Kan meselesi var ortada. Tehcirdi, soyk\u0131r\u0131md\u0131, \u015fuydu buydu bir yana. Daha \u00f6nce ortadaki \u00f6l\u00fcler hakk\u0131nda konu\u015fal\u0131m. Benim \u015f\u00f6yle bir d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcncem var. Bilmiyorum bunu g\u00fcndeme getirmemiz ne kadar do\u011fru olur? Ne olursa olsun… Ortada bir kere \u00f6len insanlar var. Bu insanlar benim ailemden, ba\u015fkalar\u0131n\u0131n ailesinden de var, T\u00fcrklerden de var. \u015eimdi T\u00fcrkler T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de, an\u0131t koyuyorlar, h\u00fcrmet diye de\u011fil mi… \u00d6l\u00fcleri hat\u0131rlamak i\u00e7in. \u015eimdi b\u00f6yle bir \u015feyi Ermeniler dese, bizim de bu kadar insan\u0131m\u0131z \u00f6ld\u00fc. Kabul ediyorsunuz ya bu kadar insan\u0131n da \u00f6ld\u00fc\u011f\u00fcn\u00fc. Ha, kimin \u00f6ld\u00fcrd\u00fc\u011f\u00fcn\u00fcn hesab\u0131n\u0131 sormuyoruz \u015fimdi. Binlerce \u00f6l\u00fc var ortada. Peki bunlar i\u00e7in bir an\u0131t koyarsak ne olur? Bizim de o memlekette bir hakk\u0131m\u0131z var. \u015eimdi \u2018B\u00f6yle bir an\u0131t\u0131 dua etmek i\u00e7in yapmak niye m\u00fcmk\u00fcn olmas\u0131n T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de?\u2019 diye bir soru sormak laz\u0131m. Belki bir g\u00fcn ben mebus olursam getiririm.<\/p>\n

Siz T\u00fcrk vatanda\u015f\u0131 m\u0131s\u0131n\u0131z? <\/strong><\/p>\n

Yok, Alman oldum. Ama orada do\u011fdum b\u00fcy\u00fcd\u00fcm.<\/p>\n

Ermeni konusunu Avrupa\u2019da T\u00fcrklerin siyasette y\u00fckselmelerini engellemek i\u00e7in kullanmak ahlaki mi? \u0130nsan bir \u0131rka mensup diye, Hollanda\u2019da oldu\u011fu gibi cezaland\u0131r\u0131labilir mi? <\/strong><\/p>\n

Yok de\u011fil, tabii de\u011fil. Ama e\u011fer bunu orada ya\u015famam\u0131\u015f olmas\u0131na ra\u011fmen, ayn\u0131 \u0131rka mensubiyet olma anlam\u0131nda ba\u015fl\u0131yorsa konu\u015fmaya o insan o zaman d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fclmesi laz\u0131m. Do\u011fru de\u011fil \u00f6yle bir \u015fey. Ama \u015fimdi meselenin i\u00e7 y\u00fcz\u00fcn\u00fc bilmeden \u2018Yok \u00f6yle olmam\u0131\u015ft\u0131r. Olamaz\u2019 diyerek girmemesi laz\u0131m insan\u0131n meseleye. E\u011fer Ermeni ise susmas\u0131 ecdad\u0131na kar\u015f\u0131 su\u00e7 olabilir. Mesela benim ailemde annemin day\u0131lar\u0131 varm\u0131\u015f. Yedi sekiz tane day\u0131dan biri kurtulabilmi\u015f. O da gitmi\u015f Nice taraflar\u0131na yerle\u015fmi\u015f. T\u00fcrk ile evlenmi\u015f. \u00c7ocuklar\u0131ndan bir tanesi de Almanya\u2019ya gelmi\u015f. \u0130smi de Hamdi. Ben buraya geldi\u011fim zaman bana telefon etti. Stuttgart taraflar\u0131nda oturuyor. \u2018Seninle g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmek istiyorum. Ben Hamdi. dedi. \u0130yi, dedim. \u2018Bizim orada cemaatimiz var. Bir g\u00fcn geliriz, konu\u015furuz. dedim. Hamdi Bey\u2019le bulu\u015ftuk, 72, 73 ya\u015flar\u0131nda bir adam. Dedi: \u2018Sen \u00e7ok k\u00fc\u00e7\u00fckt\u00fcn, belki hat\u0131rlars\u0131n. Arada bir seni annen amcanlara g\u00f6nderir miydi. Kumkap\u0131\u2019da otururdu amcan. \u2018Allah Allah!, dedim sen nereden biliyorsun bunu, \u2018\u0130\u015fte o zamanlar ben size gelirdim. Annen s\u00f6ylemek istemezdi. Biz \u00e7ekinirdik. Siz a\u011fz\u0131n\u0131zdan bir \u015fey ka\u00e7\u0131r\u0131p da konu\u015fmayas\u0131n\u0131z diye amcana g\u00f6nderirdi.\u2019 Ankara\u2019da oturuyorlarm\u0131\u015f bunlar. \u015eof\u00f6rm\u00fc\u015f, kamyon \u015fof\u00f6r\u00fc. \u0130stanbul\u2019a gelip gitti\u011fi zaman bizde kal\u0131rm\u0131\u015f. Onun bir karde\u015fi var Halim. Demek istedi\u011fim o ki, bizim aile i\u00e7inde de b\u00f6yle insanlar var. B\u00f6yle gizli kapakl\u0131 gelir konu\u015furlar. \u015eimdi bu meselelerin i\u00e7y\u00fcz\u00fcn\u00fc ger\u00e7ekten bilmek laz\u0131m. Bilerek hi\u00e7 konu\u015fmamak, o zaman i\u015fte ecdad\u0131na kar\u015f\u0131 manevi su\u00e7 i\u015flemi\u015f oluyorsunuz.<\/p>\n

Bir Alman, tarihiyle ilgili susarsa, y\u00fcz y\u0131l sonra sustu\u011fu i\u00e7in cezaland\u0131r\u0131labilir mi? <\/strong><\/p>\n

\u0130nsanlar\u0131n oturup akl\u0131 ba\u015f\u0131nda, so\u011fukkanl\u0131 olarak konu\u015fmas\u0131 laz\u0131m. Her iki taraf\u0131 ilgilendiren konularda, tarihi konular\u0131n tabu olmaktan \u00e7\u0131kmas\u0131 laz\u0131m. \u015eimdi \u2018Bu b\u00f6yledir, yahut da b\u00f6yle de\u011fildir.\u2019 Tart\u0131\u015fma olmas\u0131 laz\u0131m. Belki benim d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcncem yanl\u0131\u015ft\u0131r. \u2018Soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u2019 de\u011fildir, belki de ba\u015fka bir \u015feydir ad\u0131. Yahut da soyk\u0131r\u0131md\u0131r da onlar yanl\u0131\u015f s\u00f6yl\u00fcyor. Ama bunlar\u0131n tart\u0131\u015f\u0131lmas\u0131 ve a\u00e7\u0131k a\u00e7\u0131k korkmadan konu\u015fulmas\u0131 laz\u0131m. Susturulmak k\u00f6t\u00fc bir \u015fey. Baz\u0131 \u015feyler de susturulmak y\u00fcz\u00fcnden \u00e7\u0131k\u0131yor. Korkudan baz\u0131 abuk sabuk \u015feyler s\u00f6yleniyor. Ben a\u015f\u0131r\u0131 \u0131rk\u00e7\u0131 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnenlerin hepsine kar\u015f\u0131y\u0131m. Almanya\u2019da en \u00e7ok k\u0131zd\u0131\u011f\u0131m dazlak kafal\u0131lar. Hi\u00e7bir i\u015fe yaramaz, zaman\u0131n\u0131 bitirmi\u015f, kullanma tarihi ge\u00e7mi\u015f, demode olmu\u015flar. Hitler bitmi\u015f. Delinin biri. Vatanseverlik ba\u015fka bir \u015fey. Vatan\u0131n\u0131 sevsin, insanlar milletini sevsin. Ama \u0131rk\u00e7\u0131l\u0131k yapmak, ba\u015fkas\u0131n\u0131n \u0131rk\u0131na dil uzatmak bunlar iyi \u015feyler de\u011fil.<\/p>\n

T\u00fcrk-Ermeni ili\u015fkileri nas\u0131l olursa sorun \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fcl\u00fcr sizce? <\/strong><\/p>\n

T\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin Ermenistan\u2019a bir kom\u015fu gibi davranmas\u0131 laz\u0131m. Anadolu\u2019da biz yan yana ya\u015fad\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z zaman nas\u0131l davran\u0131yorduysak kom\u015fu gibi, mesela ben \u0130stanbul\u2019da oldu\u011fum zaman kom\u015fular\u0131m\u0131z vard\u0131. Ayr\u0131 gayri yok gibiydi. Herkes birbirine gider, bayramla\u015f\u0131rd\u0131. Biz mesela Kurban Bayram\u0131\u2019nda gider \u2018Hatice Anan\u0131n\u2019 elini \u00f6perdik. \u015eeker bayram\u0131nda bol bol \u015feker al\u0131rd\u0131k (g\u00fcl\u00fcyor). Bizim karnavalda, onlar\u0131n \u00e7ocuklar\u0131 veyahut b\u00fcy\u00fckleri de k\u0131l\u0131k k\u0131yafet de\u011fi\u015ftirir, bize gelirlerdi, e\u011flenirdik. \u00d6yle kom\u015fuluk yap\u0131lmas\u0131 laz\u0131m. Anadolu \u00f6rf\u00fcn\u00fc temel alarak bir a\u00e7\u0131l\u0131m sa\u011flanabilir.<\/p>\n

T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de ya\u015famak isterim<\/strong><\/p>\n

T\u00fcrkiye\u2019ye s\u0131k s\u0131k gidip gelir misiniz?<\/p>\n

Son y\u0131llarda devaml\u0131 gidiyorum. Ondan \u00f6nce bir otuz sene kadar gitmedim. T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de \u00e7ok de\u011fi\u015fti. Zaten Anadolu\u2019yu pek bilmem, bir kere gittim. \u0130stanbul, biraz kaba tabirle \u00e7\u0131\u011f\u0131r\u0131ndan \u00e7\u0131km\u0131\u015f durumda. Birincisi zaten trafik berbat. \u0130kincisi de \u00e7ok kalabal\u0131k. Haziranda Ermenistan patri\u011fine refakat etmek i\u00e7in gittim. B\u00fcy\u00fck \u00e7apta sivil polis koruma vard\u0131 yan\u0131m\u0131zda. Onlarla konu\u015fma f\u0131rsat\u0131 buldum. Bakt\u0131m \u00e7ok entelekt\u00fcel bazda konu\u015fuluyor. Eskiden polis yan\u0131m\u0131zda durdu mu korkar ka\u00e7ard\u0131k.<\/p>\n

Gen\u00e7lik y\u0131llar\u0131n\u0131z\u0131n \u00f6nemli Ermenileri kimlerdi? <\/strong><\/p>\n

Mebus \u2018M\u0131g\u0131rdi\u00e7 \u015eelefyan\u2019 Demirel\u2019in de \u00e7ok iyi arkada\u015f\u0131 idi. \u2018Apiko\u011flu\u2019 vard\u0131 \u2018Apiko\u011flu Sucuklar\u0131\u2019n\u0131n sahibi. Galatasaray\u2019da \u2018\u0130\u015fkembeci Apik\u2019 vard\u0131. Sinemac\u0131 \u2018Nubar Terziyan\u2019 ve \u2018Hazinses\u2019 vard\u0131. Sami Hazinses de Ermeni\u2019ydi. Mesela Udi H\u0131rant vard\u0131.<\/p>\n

Papa T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de bayra\u011f\u0131 eline ald\u0131, sallad\u0131, nas\u0131l kar\u015f\u0131l\u0131yorsunuz? <\/strong><\/p>\n

Camiye girmesi, k\u0131bleye d\u00f6nmesi hepsi normaldir. Yad\u0131rganacak hi\u00e7bir taraf\u0131 yok. Ama bu bayrak meselesi filan, abart\u0131lm\u0131\u015f yani. Yapmamas\u0131 laz\u0131md\u0131. Ama, bir din g\u00f6revlisinin d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnebiliyor musunuz bir ibadethaneye girsin, dua etmeden \u00e7\u0131ks\u0131n yani; olmaz.<\/p>\n

Siz kime ba\u011fl\u0131s\u0131n\u0131z kilise olarak, \u0130stanbul\u2019a m\u0131? <\/strong><\/p>\n

Ben \u0130stanbul\u2019da do\u011fdum. Oradaki patrikhanenin bir par\u00e7as\u0131y\u0131m. Ama as\u0131l olarak Ermenistan\u2019daki E\u00e7miatzin\u2019e ba\u011fl\u0131y\u0131z. \u0130stanbul da oraya ba\u011fl\u0131d\u0131r. \u0130lk ba\u015ftan, MS 301 tarihinden beri. D\u00fcnyada ilk kilise zaten 301\u2019de kuruldu orada.<\/p>\n

Nerede ya\u015famak istersiniz emekli oldu\u011funuzda? <\/strong><\/p>\n

Bundan \u00f6nce s\u00f6yledi\u011fim gibi \u0130stanbul\u2019da ya\u015famak isterim. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc \u0130stanbul\u2019da do\u011fdum. \u0130stanbulluyum. Benim her \u015feyim oras\u0131.<\/p>\n

\u0130stanbul \u00dcniversitesi mezunu <\/strong><\/p>\n

21 Aral\u0131k 1942 tarihinde \u0130stanbul\u2019da do\u011fdu. E\u011fitimine Pangalt\u0131n\u2019da devam etti. 1962 y\u0131l\u0131nda \u00dcsk\u00fcdar Ruhban Okulu\u2019nu bitirdi. \u0130stanbul Edebiyat Fak\u00fcltesi Sosyoloji B\u00f6l\u00fcm\u00fc\u2019nde \u00f6\u011frenimin ard\u0131ndan, 1965 y\u0131l\u0131nda Almanya\u2019ya geldi. Bochum \u00dcniversitesi Pedagoji B\u00f6l\u00fcm\u00fc\u2019nden mezun oldu. T\u00fcrkiye\u2019ye d\u00f6nerek Ermeni Patrikhanesi\u2019nde g\u00f6rev ald\u0131. 1972 y\u0131l\u0131nda din g\u00f6revlisi olarak atand\u0131\u011f\u0131 Marsilya\u2019da 1991 y\u0131l\u0131na kadar g\u00f6rev yapt\u0131. Almanya\u2019da eski Sovyetler Birli\u011fi\u2019nden gelen Ermeni n\u00fcfusun artmas\u0131 \u00fczerine bu \u00fclkeye atand\u0131. 1991 y\u0131l\u0131ndan bu yana Almanya Ermeni Cemaati\u2019nin dini lideri olarak \u201cAlmanya Patri\u011fi\u201d unvan\u0131 ile g\u00f6rev yapmakta.<\/p>\n

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