{"id":15142,"date":"2012-05-17T03:24:41","date_gmt":"2012-05-17T08:24:41","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?p=15142"},"modified":"2012-05-17T03:24:41","modified_gmt":"2012-05-17T08:24:41","slug":"bir-istanbul-ziyareti-izlenimleri","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/akunq.net\/turkish\/2012\/05\/17\/bir-istanbul-ziyareti-izlenimleri\/","title":{"rendered":"Bir \u0130stanbul ziyareti izlenimleri"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: justify\" align=\"center\"><a href=\"http:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?attachment_id=15143\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-15143\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-full wp-image-15143\" title=\"\u054f\u056b\u0580\u0561\u0576\" src=\"http:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/05\/\u054f\u056b\u0580\u0561\u0576.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"213\" height=\"289\" \/><\/a>Nisan ba\u015f\u0131nda ger\u00e7ekle\u015ftirmi\u015f oldu\u011fum \u0130stanbul ziyaretim sonras\u0131nda, yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131m ilgin\u00e7 g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmeler ve m\u00fc\u015fahedelerimi okurlar\u0131n bilgisine sunmam gerekti\u011fini d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnerek bu yaz\u0131y\u0131 kaleme ald\u0131m.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Y\u0131lda bir-iki defa ger\u00e7ekle\u015fen \u0130stanbul ziyaretlerim, arkada\u015f-dost g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmelerinin haricinde, her seferinde \u00fclkede mevcut ekonomik, siyasi, k\u00fclt\u00fcrel havay\u0131 soluyarak, de\u011fi\u015fimleri g\u00f6zlemleme imk\u00e2n\u0131 sunmaktad\u0131r. \u0130\u00e7inde ya\u015fayanlar taraf\u0131ndan hissedilmeden kan\u0131ksanan de\u011fi\u015fim ve geli\u015fimler, belli periyotlar d\u00e2hilinde ziyaret edenler taraf\u0131ndan daha bariz g\u00f6zlemlenilmektedir.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Ermenistan-T\u00fcrkiye veya daha do\u011fru bir deyimle, Ermeni ve T\u00fcrk toplumlar\u0131 aras\u0131ndaki ba\u015fl\u0131ca sorunun birbirlerini tan\u0131mama oldu\u011funu y\u0131llard\u0131r dile getirmekte olan biri olmama ra\u011fmen, bazen ben dahi duyup g\u00f6rd\u00fcklerimden hayrete d\u00fc\u015fmekteyim.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">T\u00fcrkiye-Ermenistan aras\u0131ndaki s\u0131n\u0131r\u0131n kapal\u0131 oldu\u011funu bilmeyen bir TBMM milletvekili veya T\u00fcrkiye ve Azerbaycan\u2019\u0131n farkl\u0131 \u00fclkeler oldu\u011funu bilmeyen bir Ermenistan milletvekili oldu\u011funu duyunca, benim dahi sa\u00e7lar\u0131m diken-diken olmaktad\u0131r. En \u00fcrk\u00fct\u00fcc\u00fc ve son derece d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnd\u00fcr\u00fcc\u00fc olan durum ise, bu insanlar\u0131n, milletvekili kimlikleriyle, parlamentolar\u0131nda d\u0131\u015f siyasetle ilgili kararlar alacak olmalar\u0131d\u0131r.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Milletvekilleri b\u00f6yle olunca, halk\u0131n bilgi kapasitesinin ne durumda oldu\u011funu d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnmek dahi insana korku veriyor.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">\u00d6rne\u011fin, bu son ziyaretim esnas\u0131nda, \u0130stanbul Ermeni cemaatinin temsilcileri aras\u0131nda dahi ne denli b\u00fcy\u00fck bilgi eksikleri oldu\u011funu bir kez daha g\u00f6zlemleme imk\u00e2n\u0131m oldu. \u0130stanbul Ermenilerinin, Ermenistan\u2019la ilgili bilgilerinin, T\u00fcrk insan\u0131n\u0131nkinden fazla bir fark g\u00f6stermedi\u011fini s\u00f6ylemek gerekir. T\u00fcrkiye Ermenilerinin, T\u00fcrkiye-Ermenistan aras\u0131ndaki diyalogu sa\u011flayacak en \u00f6nemli unsur olarak (T\u00fcrk siyaset\u00e7iler taraf\u0131ndan da) kabul edildiklerinden dolay\u0131, bu durum tehlike arz etmektedir. \u0130stanbul Ermenilerinin b\u00fcy\u00fck bir b\u00f6l\u00fcm\u00fcn\u00fcn, Ermenistan-Azerbaycan ili\u015fkileri veya Azerbaycan-Karaba\u011f sorunu hakk\u0131nda tamamen bilgisiz, ayn\u0131 derecede de ilgisiz oldu\u011funu \u00fcz\u00fclerek belirtmek gerekir. \u00d6zellikle T\u00fcrk gen\u00e7lerinin bilgi sahibi olmaya \u00e7al\u0131\u015ft\u0131\u011f\u0131 bu konuda, Ermeni gen\u00e7li\u011fi son derece pasif, hatta kendisini bu konudan elden geldi\u011fince soyutlayan bir tutum sergilemektedir.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">\u0130stanbullu Ermeni toplumunun hem gen\u00e7, hem de orta ya\u015f s\u0131n\u0131f temsilcilerinin b\u00fcy\u00fck bir k\u0131sm\u0131, bug\u00fcn h\u00e2l\u00e2 Bak\u00fc\u2019de Ermenilerin ya\u015fad\u0131\u011f\u0131, kendilerinin de turistik ziyaret amac\u0131yla rahatl\u0131kla Azerbaycan\u2019a gidebilecekleri d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcncesinde olup, ge\u00e7mi\u015f y\u0131llarda ya\u015fananlar\u0131 ufak-tefek \u00e7at\u0131\u015fmalar ve yerel kavga-d\u00f6v\u00fc\u015f olarak alg\u0131lamaktad\u0131r.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">T\u00fcrk-Ermeni ve Ermeni-Azerbaycan ili\u015fkilerinde ger\u00e7ek bir ilerleme sa\u011flamak istiyorsak, ba\u015flang\u0131\u00e7 noktam\u0131z\u0131n do\u011fru bilgilendirme olmas\u0131 gerekmektedir, bunun ise, birka\u00e7 genci veya gazeteciyi birbirleriyle tan\u0131\u015ft\u0131rmaktan ziyade, seminerler gibi daha geni\u015f kapsaml\u0131 projelerle ger\u00e7ekle\u015ftirilebilece\u011fi barizdir.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Son y\u0131llarda g\u00f6zlemlenen di\u011fer bir geli\u015fme, T\u00fcrkiye Ermeni toplumu aras\u0131nda geli\u015fen hem\u015ferilik derneklerinin artmas\u0131d\u0131r. Sasunlular, Malatyal\u0131lar vs. kendi dernekleri etraf\u0131nda \u00f6rg\u00fctlenmeye ba\u015flad\u0131lar. Benzer \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131n, zaten k\u00fc\u00e7\u00fclm\u00fc\u015f olan cemaati b\u00f6lece\u011fi konusunda itirazlar vard\u0131r, fakat kan\u0131m\u0131zca bu yakla\u015f\u0131m sayesinde, Ermenice bilmeyen ve \u0130stanbul\u2019a yabanc\u0131 olan gruplarlar\u0131n, bir nevi a\u015fa\u011f\u0131l\u0131k kompleksinden dolay\u0131 kendilerini \u0130stanbul Ermeni toplumundan uzak tutmalar\u0131, kendi aralar\u0131nda geli\u015febilecekleri bir ortam elde edebileceklerinden dolay\u0131 yarar sa\u011flayaca\u011f\u0131 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcncesindeyiz.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Ta\u015fradan gelen farkl\u0131 H\u0131ristiyan Ermeni gruplar haricinde, ge\u00e7en bir-iki y\u0131l i\u00e7inde kurulan iki derne\u011fin yeri \u00e7ok daha \u00f6zeldir.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Bunlar \u201cDersim Ermenileri Derne\u011fi\u201d ve \u201cHadik\u201d Hem\u015fin K\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fcn\u00fc Ara\u015ft\u0131rma ve Ya\u015fatma Derne\u011fi\u2019dir.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Adlar\u0131ndan anla\u015f\u0131laca\u011f\u0131 \u00fczere birincisi bir \u201cErmeni Derne\u011fi\u201ddir, ikincisi ise sadece bizler taraf\u0131ndan Ermenililikle ba\u011fda\u015ft\u0131r\u0131lmaktad\u0131r.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Dersimlilerin dernek lokali m\u00fctevaz\u0131 bir apartman kat\u0131 olup, dernek ba\u015fkan\u0131 Mihran P\u0131rgi\u00e7\u2019in a\u00e7\u0131klamalar\u0131 olmadan da,\u00a0 bu derne\u011fin t\u00fcrl\u00fc problemleri aras\u0131nda en \u00f6nemli sorunun maddiyat oldu\u011fu hemen fark ediliyor. Derne\u011fin, Dersim Ermenileriyle ilgili olmas\u0131na ra\u011fmen ziyaretimin ak\u015fam\u0131nda Dersimliler az\u0131nl\u0131ktayd\u0131. Malatya, Elaz\u0131\u011f gibi farkl\u0131 b\u00f6lgelerden, farkl\u0131 tarihlerde \u0130stanbul\u2019a yerle\u015fmi\u015f olan Ermenilerin haricinde, Dersim ve \u00e7evre b\u00f6lgelerinde ya\u015fam\u0131\u015f olan Ermenilerin iyi veya k\u00f6t\u00fc g\u00fcnde dostluk ve kader birli\u011fi yapm\u0131\u015f oldu\u011fu, g\u00fcn\u00fcm\u00fczde de k\u00fclt\u00fcr birli\u011fi i\u00e7inde bulunduklar\u0131 Aleviler de vard\u0131.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Bu ise, \u00e7ok g\u00fczel bir tablo te\u015fkil etmekteydi ve ba\u015fl\u0131 ba\u015f\u0131na bir ba\u015far\u0131yd\u0131. Alevi k\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fcnde \u00f6nemli bir yeri bulunan saz da, Dersimlilerin toplant\u0131s\u0131nda eksik olamazd\u0131 ve b\u00f6ylece sazl\u0131 s\u00f6zl\u00fc bir Dersim \u201ctoplant\u0131\u201ds\u0131na \u015fahit oldum. Daha sonra oturup sohbet edince, Mihran\u2019\u0131n, omuzlar\u0131na ne denli a\u011f\u0131r bir y\u00fck alm\u0131\u015f oldu\u011fu ortaya \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131. Zorluklar diz boyundan da \u00f6te, bo\u011faz\u0131na kadar ve devaml\u0131 olarak kendini su y\u00fcz\u00fcnde tutma gayreti i\u00e7inde oldu\u011fu belli. Mihran\u2019\u0131n atak karakteri ve \u201c\u00f6nce i\u015f, sonra hesap\u201d yakla\u015f\u0131m\u0131 ise bu durumu daha da zorla\u015ft\u0131rmaktad\u0131r. Di\u011fer taraftan, imk\u00e2nlar g\u00f6z \u00f6n\u00fcne al\u0131nd\u0131\u011f\u0131nda, kabul etmek gerekir ki, bu yakla\u015f\u0131m olmadan bug\u00fcne kadar hi\u00e7bir \u015fey ger\u00e7ekle\u015fmi\u015f olmayacakt\u0131.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Hem\u015finliler derne\u011finde ise i\u015fler daha farkl\u0131 y\u00fcr\u00fcyor. Dernek lokalleri, maddi s\u0131k\u0131nt\u0131n\u0131n ba\u015fl\u0131ca problem olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 g\u00f6stermektedir. \u0130\u015fler de daha d\u00fczenli y\u00fcr\u00fcyor burada. Ziyarete gitti\u011fim g\u00fcn, onlar\u0131n da toplant\u0131 g\u00fcn\u00fcyd\u00fc ve toplant\u0131 saatinde yirmi k\u00fcsur ki\u015fi haz\u0131rd\u0131, tam saatinde de benimle olan g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fme bitti ve herkes toplant\u0131ya ge\u00e7ti. Sohbetimiz esnas\u0131nda \u00f6rg\u00fctlenme problemleri oldu\u011funu belirtmelerine ra\u011fmen hayli yol alm\u0131\u015f durumdalar ve Orta Asya\u2019daki akrabalar\u0131yla ba\u011flar kurup, onlarla k\u0131z al\u0131p vermeye dahi ba\u015flam\u0131\u015flar. Derne\u011fin kurucular\u0131 Hopa (do\u011fu) Hem\u015finliler, Rize (bat\u0131) Hem\u015finlilerle temaslar i\u00e7indeler ve \u015fimdilik daha \u00e7ok Rize Hem\u015finlilerin entelekt\u00fcel kesimi kendilerine destek vermekte. Dernek, bir \u201cHem\u015fin Derne\u011fi\u201d olmakla birlikte bir \u201chem\u015ferilik derne\u011fi\u201d olarak \u00f6n plana \u00e7\u0131kmamakta, etnik vurgulamadan ise \u00f6zellikle ka\u00e7\u0131n\u0131lmaktad\u0131r. \u00d6ncelikli yakla\u015f\u0131m, k\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fcn, \u00f6zellikle de dilin korunmas\u0131na y\u00f6neliktir. Globalle\u015fme ve \u015fehirle\u015fme, son y\u0131llarda Hem\u015fin k\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fcn\u00fc h\u0131zla eriten ciddi bir problem olu\u015fturmaktad\u0131r. B\u00fcy\u00fck \u015fehirlere g\u00f6\u00e7\u00fcn getirdi\u011fi karma evlilikler, gen\u00e7lerin ve \u00e7ocuklar\u0131n art\u0131k Hem\u015finceye vak\u0131f olmamalar\u0131, yayla k\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fcn\u00fcn yok olmas\u0131, k\u00f6y ya\u015fam\u0131n\u0131n unutulmas\u0131 ve \u00f6zg\u00fcn danslar ile m\u00fczi\u011fin kaybolmaya y\u00fcz tutmas\u0131 kar\u015f\u0131s\u0131nda baz\u0131 bilin\u00e7li Hem\u015finliler \u00f6ncelikle unutulmaya y\u00fcz tutan m\u00fcziklerini derlemeye ba\u015flad\u0131lar. Sorunun \u00e7ok daha derin ve b\u00fcy\u00fck oldu\u011funu anlad\u0131klar\u0131nda ise bu derne\u011fi kurman\u0131n elzem oldu\u011funu anlad\u0131lar. K\u00fclt\u00fcrlerini, dillerini ya\u015fatman\u0131n ne \u00f6l\u00e7\u00fcde m\u00fcmk\u00fcn oldu\u011funu bilemiyorlar, fakat ger\u00e7ek onlara fazla bir \u00fcmit vaat etmedi\u011finden dolay\u0131 en az\u0131ndan ciddi akademik ara\u015ft\u0131rmalar yaparak (yapt\u0131rarak) dillerini yar\u0131nki ara\u015ft\u0131rmac\u0131lara devretmeyi d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorlar. Bu arada, k\u00fclt\u00fcrlerini de ya\u015fatmak amac\u0131yla kaval, tulum ve dans kurslar\u0131 d\u00fczenlemekteler.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">G\u00f6r\u00fcld\u00fc\u011f\u00fc gibi bu iki derne\u011fin sorunlar\u0131 ile yakla\u015f\u0131mlar\u0131 birbirinden hayli farkl\u0131. Biri elindekini ya\u015fatmaya \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131rken, di\u011feri kaybetti\u011fini elde etmeye \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmaktad\u0131r. Biri, bu \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmay\u0131 yaparken, ka\u015f yaparken g\u00f6z \u00e7\u0131karabilece\u011finin bilincinde olarak etnik vurgulamadan (hakl\u0131 olarak) m\u00fcmk\u00fcn oldu\u011fu kadar ka\u00e7\u0131nmaktayken, di\u011feri vurguyu \u00f6zellikle bu y\u00f6nde yapmaktad\u0131r. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc birincisi, has\u0131m toplum aras\u0131nda kendisine yeni bir farkl\u0131 kimlik yaratarak, i\u00e7 evlilikler sayesinde g\u00fcn\u00fcm\u00fcze kadar asimilasyondan ka\u00e7\u0131nabilmi\u015f, di\u011feri ise yaren toplum aras\u0131nda kendi kimli\u011fiyle ya\u015fay\u0131p kar\u0131\u015farak dilini, dinini g\u00f6n\u00fcll\u00fc asimilasyona u\u011frat\u0131p kaybetmi\u015f, bu kaybedileni tekrar bulma derdindedir.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Bu durumda en enteresan olan\u0131 ise, i\u00e7 evlilikler sayesinde g\u00fcn\u00fcm\u00fcze kadar etnik olarak saf kalm\u0131\u015f olan Hem\u015finlilerin, kendilerini kesinlikle Ermeni kimli\u011finden soyutlamalar\u0131, karma evlilikler sayesinde etnik olarak kar\u0131\u015fm\u0131\u015f olan Dersimlilerin ise kendilerini Ermeni olarak ifade etmeleridir.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">G\u00fcn\u00fcm\u00fcz \u015fartlar\u0131 da daha fazlas\u0131na elvermemektedir. 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