{"id":12172,"date":"2012-02-11T06:00:31","date_gmt":"2012-02-11T11:00:31","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?p=12172"},"modified":"2012-02-11T06:00:31","modified_gmt":"2012-02-11T11:00:31","slug":"tarihci-ve-yazar-ayse-hur-ile-soylesi","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/akunq.net\/turkish\/2012\/02\/11\/tarihci-ve-yazar-ayse-hur-ile-soylesi\/","title":{"rendered":"Tarih\u00e7i ve yazar Ay\u015fe H\u00fcr ile s\u00f6yle\u015fi"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"\"<\/a>Tan\u0131nm\u0131\u015f tarih\u00e7i ve yazar Ay\u015fe H\u00fcr, telefonda Ermenistan Toplum Radyosu \u201cVatan-Diaspora:K\u00f6pr\u00fc\u201d program\u0131 edit\u00f6r\u00fc Arpine Alaverdyan\u2019a ve \u2018Akunq\u2019 veb sitesi muhabiri, Toplum Radyosu T\u00fcrk\u00e7e Yay\u0131nlar\u0131 edit\u00f6r\u00fc Meline Anumyan\u2019a konu\u015ftu. <\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

Bu <\/em><\/strong>s\u00f6yle\u015fiyi a\u015fa\u011f\u0131da aktarmaktay\u0131z.<\/em><\/strong><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

Arpine Alaverdyan-<\/em><\/strong>Bug\u00fcnk\u00fc T\u00fcrk Ermeni ili\u015fkilerini nas\u0131l de\u011ferlendiriyorsunuz?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Ay\u015fe H\u00fcr- <\/em><\/strong>\u0130yi olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorum \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc T\u00fcrkiye\u2019deki Ermeni cemaatiyle ili\u015fkilerde bir durgunluk var, Ermenistan ile ili\u015fkiler, uzun s\u00fcredir, dondurulmu\u015f durumda, hatta neredeyse derin dondurucuya konuldu, hi\u00e7 konu\u015fulmuyor art\u0131k, Ermeni Diasporas\u0131 ile zaten hi\u00e7 bir zaman iyi ili\u015fkiler olmad\u0131, iyi olma umudu da ta\u015f\u0131mad\u0131 \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de genel olarak Diasporaya kar\u015f\u0131 \u00e7ok ciddi \u015feytanla\u015ft\u0131rma kampanyas\u0131 vard\u0131. Yani sonu\u00e7ta her \u00fc\u00e7 aya\u011f\u0131 a\u00e7\u0131s\u0131ndan \u00e7ok olumsuz durumda. Yak\u0131n vadede de bir umud \u0131\u015f\u0131\u011f\u0131 g\u00f6remiyorum.<\/p>\n

Arpine Alaverdyan- <\/em><\/strong>1919-1921 y\u0131llar\u0131 aras\u0131nda ger\u00e7ekle\u015ftirilen \u0130ttihat\u00e7\u0131lar\u0131n davalar\u0131n\u0131 nas\u0131l de\u011ferlendiriyorsunuz? Size g\u00f6re bu davalarda Osmanl\u0131 Devleti ve miras\u00e7\u0131s\u0131 olan T\u00fcrkiye Cumhuriyeti Ermeni Soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131n\u0131 tan\u0131maya do\u011fru bir ad\u0131m atmam\u0131\u015f m\u0131d\u0131r? <\/strong><\/p>\n

Ay\u015fe H\u00fcr- <\/em><\/strong>O zamanki davalar, Mondros M\u00fctarekesi\u2019nin arkas\u0131ndan ortaya \u00e7\u0131kan uluslararas\u0131 ve i\u00e7 siyaset dengeleri sayesinde a\u00e7\u0131labilmi\u015fti. Bu dengeleri hat\u0131rlarsak, davalar\u0131n neden \u00f6yle geli\u015fti\u011fini ve ne anlama geldi\u011fini daha iyi anlayabiliriz. Osmanl\u0131 \u0130mpratorlu\u011fu sava\u015ftan yenik \u00e7\u0131km\u0131\u015f, 30 Ekim 1918\u2019de imzalanan Mondros M\u00fctarekesi\u2019yle Osmanl\u0131 \u0130mparatorlu\u011fu,ate\u015fkese mecbur edilmi\u015fti. \u0130tilaf Devletleri, uzun s\u00fcreden beri Ermeni toplulu\u011funa kar\u015f\u0131 bir vicdan azab\u0131 duyuyorlard\u0131, kendi \u00e7\u0131karlar\u0131 u\u011fruna H\u0131ristiyan bir toplum olan Ermenileri Osmanl\u0131\u2019n\u0131n insaf\u0131na terkettikleri i\u00e7in kendi kamuoylar\u0131na kar\u015f\u0131 bir su\u00e7luluk duygusu i\u00e7indeydiler. Ayn\u0131 zamanda sava\u015f\u0131 iki y\u0131l uzatt\u0131\u011f\u0131 ve iki milyona yak\u0131n \u0130tilaf G\u00fcc\u00fc askerinin \u00f6l\u00fcm\u00fcne neden oldu\u011fu i\u00e7in de \u0130ttihat\u00e7\u0131lara kar\u015f\u0131 k\u0131zg\u0131nl\u0131k i\u00e7erisindeydiler. Bu nedenle, Ermeni Tehciri davalar\u0131n\u0131 bir koz olarak kullanmaya kalkt\u0131lar. Uluslararas\u0131 bask\u0131lar \u00e7ok a\u011f\u0131rd\u0131 ama i\u00e7erden gelen bask\u0131lar da ciddiydi. \u0130ttihat\u00e7\u0131 kar\u015f\u0131t\u0131 gazetelerin y\u00fcr\u00fctt\u00fc\u011f\u00fc kampanyalar ve M\u00fctareke\u2019den k\u0131sa s\u00fcre \u00f6nce, tekrar a\u00e7\u0131lan Meclis-i Mebusan\u2019\u0131n ilk oturumlar\u0131ndan birinde, \u0130ttihat\u00e7\u0131 k\u00f6kenli Trabzon Mebusu Mehmet Haf\u0131z Bey\u2019in, sava\u015f ve tehcir s\u0131ras\u0131nda ya\u015fanan cinayet ve katliamlar\u0131n soru\u015fturulmas\u0131 talep etmesiyle ba\u015flayan ate\u015fli tart\u0131\u015fmalar Meclis\u2019in kapand\u0131\u011f\u0131 21 Aral\u0131k 1918\u2019e kadar s\u00fcrm\u00fc\u015f ve sonunda \u2018sava\u015f ve tehcir su\u00e7lar\u0131n\u0131 kovu\u015fturmak\u2019 i\u00e7in Meclis b\u00fcnyesinde bir komisyon kurulmas\u0131na karar verilmi\u015fti. \u2018Be\u015finci \u015eube Komisyonu’ ad\u0131yla an\u0131lan bu komisyonu \u2018Suiistimalleri, Hesaplar\u0131 ve Seyyiat\u0131 Tetkik Komisyonu\u2019 (ba\u015fkan\u0131ndan dolay\u0131 \u2018Mazhar Komisyonu\u2019 diye an\u0131lacakt\u0131) izlemi\u015fti. Ortam b\u00f6yleyken, 1913\u2019de \u0130ttihat\u00e7\u0131lar taraf\u0131ndan kapat\u0131lm\u0131\u015f olan H\u00fcrriyet ve \u0130tilaf F\u0131rkas\u0131 yeniden kuruldu. Onlar da \u0130ttihat\u00e7\u0131lardan intikam almak istiyorlard\u0131. Sonu\u00e7ta i\u00e7 ve d\u0131\u015f bask\u0131lar sonu\u00e7 verdi ve davalar ba\u015flad\u0131. Duru\u015fmalar, bas\u0131na ve izleyicilere a\u00e7\u0131k olarak yap\u0131ld\u0131. Cemil Arif ba\u015fkanl\u0131\u011f\u0131ndaki san\u0131k avukatlar\u0131, savunmalar\u0131n\u0131 \u2018Ermeni katliam\u0131na dair su\u00e7lar\u0131n adi su\u00e7lar olmay\u0131p h\u00fck\u00fcmet taraf\u0131ndan \u00e7\u0131kar\u0131lan ve padi\u015fah taraf\u0131ndan onaylanan tehcir kanunu uygulamalar\u0131 \u00e7er\u00e7evesinde ger\u00e7ekle\u015fti\u011fi\u2019 \u00fczerine kurdular, yani tehcirin merkezi h\u00fck\u00fcmetin i\u015fi oldu\u011funu kabul ettiler. \u0130lk idam cezas\u0131 Bo\u011fazlayan Kaymakam\u0131 Kemal Bey\u2019e verildi. Onun idam\u0131 \u00fczerine \u0130ttihat\u00e7\u0131lar \u0130stanbul\u2019da b\u00fcy\u00fck bir g\u00f6steri d\u00fczenlediler. Ard\u0131ndan 15 May\u0131s\u2019ta Yunan ordusu \u0130zmir\u2019e \u00e7\u0131k\u0131nca Sadrazam Damat Ferit bir grup tutukluyu sal\u0131vererek kamuoyunu yat\u0131\u015ft\u0131rmak istedi. \u0130tilaf Devletleri bakt\u0131lar ki, su\u00e7lular teker teker pa\u00e7ay\u0131 kurtar\u0131yor, geri kalanlar\u0131 bizzat yarg\u0131lamak \u00fczere Malta\u2019ya g\u00f6t\u00fcrd\u00fcler. G\u00fcn\u00fcm\u00fczde bile, Hrant Dink\u2019in davas\u0131 \u00f6rne\u011finde de g\u00f6r\u00fcyoruz ki, iktidarlar isterse bu t\u00fcr davalar\u0131 kilitlebilirler. Delilleri ve belgeleri vermezler, \u015fahitleri bask\u0131 alt\u0131nda tutarlar. Fakat o d\u00f6nemde buna dahi ihtiyac\u0131 olmam\u0131\u015ft\u0131 \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc zaten \u0130ttihat\u00e7\u0131lar, bir\u00e7ok belgeyi imha etmi\u015f ve ka\u00e7\u0131rm\u0131\u015flard\u0131. Ermeni toplumu, davalar\u0131 takip edecek, belge sunacak durumda de\u011fildi \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc toplum liderleri ve erkekleri s\u00fcr\u00fclm\u00fc\u015f veya katledilmi\u015fti. Osmanl\u0131 h\u00fck\u00fcmeti ve ABD h\u00fck\u00fcmeti yeterli i\u015fbirli\u011fi yapmad\u0131. M\u00fcttefik devletler gelecekteki \u00e7\u0131karlar\u0131n\u0131 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnerek yarg\u0131lamalarda g\u00f6n\u00fcls\u00fcz davrand\u0131lar. Sonu\u00e7ta \u0130tilaf Devletleri, Malta\u2019da bu su\u00e7lar\u0131 yarg\u0131latacak bir mahkeme kuramad\u0131lar. Oradaki zanl\u0131lar\u0131 peyder pey salmak zorunda kald\u0131lar. O adamlar yeni kurulan T\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin \u00f6nemli kadrolar\u0131n\u0131 olu\u015fturdular.<\/p>\n

Meline Anumyan- <\/em><\/strong>S\u00f6yledi\u011finiz gibi, Ermeni Soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131na dair bir\u00e7ok belge yok edildi ya da ka\u00e7\u0131r\u0131ld\u0131. Ancak \u0130ttihat\u00e7\u0131lar\u0131n yarg\u0131lamalar\u0131n\u0131 y\u00fcr\u00fctm\u00fc\u015f olan mahkemeler (Divan-i Harb-i \u00d6rfi Mahkemeleri) Ermeni k\u0131r\u0131mlar\u0131n\u0131 ispatlayan epeyce belgeye ula\u015fabildi. Ana davan\u0131n iddianamesinde tam 41 resmi belgeye at\u0131fta bulunularak Ermeni katliamlar\u0131n\u0131n Osmanl\u0131 Devleti taraf\u0131ndan organize edildi\u011fi kaydedilmekteydi. Yani ana iddianamede devlet y\u00f6neticilerinin su\u00e7lu olduklar\u0131 belirtilmekteydi. <\/strong><\/p>\n

Ay\u015fe H\u00fcr- <\/em><\/strong>Tabii, bu yarg\u0131lamalar\u0131n arkas\u0131ndaki motif siyasiydi ama davalarda Dahiliye Naz\u0131rl\u0131\u011f\u0131, 3. ve 4. Ordu Komutanl\u0131\u011f\u0131, 5. Kolordu ve 15. T\u00fcmen Komutanl\u0131\u011f\u0131, Te\u015fkilat-\u0131 Mahsusa, Ankara Vilayeti ve \u0130stanbul Merkez Komutanl\u0131\u011f\u0131\u2019ndan \u00e7e\u015fitli vilayetlere ve kaymakaml\u0131klara g\u00f6nderilen \u00e7o\u011fu \u015fifreli belgeler sunuldu. Bunlar\u0131n orijinalli\u011fi san\u0131klar ve ilgili kurumlarca tescil edildikten sonra dosyaya konuldu. Hepsinin de\u011fil ama pek \u00e7ok davan\u0131n tutanaklar\u0131 d\u00f6nemin gazetelerinde yay\u0131mland\u0131. Bug\u00fcn mahkemelere sunulan belgelerin \u00e7o\u011fu elimizde yok. Bir k\u0131sm\u0131 muhtemelen Genelkurmay ar\u015fivlerinde. Bir k\u0131sm\u0131n\u0131n mahkemelerde g\u00f6rev yapan Ermeni katipler taraf\u0131ndan kopyalanarak yurt d\u0131\u015f\u0131na ka\u00e7\u0131r\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131 san\u0131l\u0131yor. Kud\u00fcs\u2019teki Ermeni Patrikhanesi\u2019nin ar\u015fivinde bu belgelerin oldu\u011funu san\u0131yorum. Tabii bunlar\u0131n hepsi biraraya getirip tekrar de\u011ferlendirilse, daha do\u011fru bir sonuca var\u0131l\u0131r. Bug\u00fcn \u0130stanbul\u2019daki yarg\u0131lamalardan \u00e7ok \u0130ngilizlerin Malta\u2019ya g\u00f6t\u00fcrd\u00fc\u011f\u00fc ki\u015filerin yarg\u0131lanmamas\u0131 resmi ideologlar taraf\u0131ndan ortada bir su\u00e7 olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131n karinesi olarak sunuluyor. Hatta bu konuda yak\u0131n tarihte bir kitap da yaz\u0131ld\u0131. \u00c7e\u015fitli g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015ften k\u00f6\u015fe yazarlar\u0131 bu kitaba at\u0131fta bulunarak, konunun uluslararas\u0131 mahkemelere g\u00f6t\u00fcr\u00fclmesi halinde T\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin davay\u0131 kazanaca\u011f\u0131 propagandas\u0131n\u0131 yap\u0131yorlar. Halbuki, Hrant Dink davas\u0131 gibi faili ve azmettiricileri belli olan bir davada bile yarg\u0131lama s\u00fcrecinde \u201ciki-\u00fc\u00e7 \u00e7ocuk yapm\u0131\u015ft\u0131r\u201d karar\u0131 \u00e7\u0131kabiliyorsa, 1919-1921\u2019de devletin pek \u00e7ok organ\u0131n\u0131n kar\u0131\u015ft\u0131\u011f\u0131 bir davan\u0131n karart\u0131lmas\u0131 gayet normaldir. Bug\u00fcnk\u00fc kararlara bak\u0131p o g\u00fcnk\u00fc karar\u0131 de\u011ferlendirmek bile asl\u0131nda anlaml\u0131, ama insanlar tarihi istedikleri gibi okuyorlar.<\/p>\n

Meline Anumyan- <\/em><\/strong>B\u00fct\u00fcn su\u00e7lar\u0131n cezaland\u0131r\u0131lmam\u0131\u015f olduklar\u0131 kesindir. Ancak Talat Pa\u015fa, Enver Pa\u015fa, Cemal Pa\u015fa gibi en \u00f6nemli su\u00e7lular\u0131, yani Osmanl\u0131 Devleti h\u00fck\u00fcmetinin hemen t\u00fcm \u00fcyeleri, yarg\u0131lanarak idama mahkum edilmi\u015flerdir. <\/strong><\/p>\n

Ay\u015fe H\u00fcr- <\/em><\/strong>Evet, 1921\u2019e kadar 63 dava a\u00e7\u0131lm\u0131\u015ft\u0131. Bunlar\u0131n 55\u2019i kabul edildi, 34\u2019\u00fcnde san\u0131klar \u00e7e\u015fitli cezalara \u00e7arpt\u0131r\u0131ld\u0131lar. 21 dava ise beraatla sonu\u00e7land\u0131 ama o beraatlar \u015fahit ve delil eksikli\u011findendi.\u00a0 Enver, Talat, Cemal ve 13 ki\u015fi 1919 y\u0131l\u0131n\u0131n Temmuz ay\u0131nda g\u0131yaplar\u0131nda yarg\u0131lan\u0131p mahkum edildiler. Bu ki\u015filerden sadece ikisi idam edildi. Ama \u0130ttihat\u00e7\u0131 pa\u015falar 1-2 Kas\u0131m 1919 gecesi \u0130stanbul\u2019dan ka\u00e7t\u0131klar\u0131 i\u00e7in cezalar\u0131 infaz edilemedi. Almanya da, bunlar\u0131n haklar\u0131nda mahkemeler oldu\u011funu biliyordu ama Osmanl\u0131 Devleti\u2019ne iade etmedi. Bu adamlar \u0130svi\u00e7re\u2019ye, Almanya\u2019ya, Cemal ve Enver Rusya\u2019ya gittiler. Sonu\u00e7ta Ermeni toplumu i\u00e7inden baz\u0131 ki\u015filer, bunlar\u0131n cezalar\u0131n\u0131n yerine getiremiyece\u011fini d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnerek infazlar\u0131 kendileri yapmaya karar verdiler. Nemesis \u00f6rg\u00fct\u00fcn\u00fcn kontrol\u00fcnde \u00f6nce Talat, arkas\u0131ndan Cemal Azmi ve Bahaeddin \u015eakir \u00f6ld\u00fcr\u00fcld\u00fc. T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de pek \u00e7ok ki\u015fi Cemal ve Enver\u2019in de Nemesis taraf\u0131ndan \u00f6ld\u00fcr\u00fcld\u00fc\u011f\u00fcn\u00fc d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyor ama ben bu iki ki\u015finin \u00f6l\u00fcmlerinin ard\u0131n ba\u015fka g\u00fc\u00e7lerin oldu\u011funu d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorum. Cemal suikast\u0131n\u0131n arkas\u0131nda Rus gizli polisi \u00c7eka olabilir, \u0130ngiliz parma\u011f\u0131 olabilir, G\u00fcrc\u00fcler olabilir, bu g\u00fc\u00e7ler Ermeni \u00f6rg\u00fctleriyle i\u015fbirli\u011fi yapm\u0131\u015f olabilirler. Enver\u2019i \u00f6ld\u00fcren K\u0131z\u0131l Ordu\u2019da g\u00f6rev yapan bir Ermeni komutan ancak ben onun da \u00f6ld\u00fcr\u00fclmesini do\u011frudan Ermeni intikamc\u0131lara ba\u011flam\u0131yorum. Ama ne olursa olsun sonu\u00e7ta Ermenilerin katili \u00fc\u00e7 lider de \u00f6ld\u00fcr\u00fcld\u00fc. Eceliyle \u00f6lenler. 1926\u2019daki \u0130zmir Suikast\u0131 Davas\u0131 sonunda idam edilenler; kazayla \u00f6lenler, siyasi rakipleri taraf\u0131ndan \u00f6ld\u00fcr\u00fclenleri de katarsan\u0131z, 1915 su\u00e7lular\u0131n\u0131n \u00f6nemli bir b\u00f6l\u00fcm\u00fc daha o y\u0131llarda ortadan kalkm\u0131\u015ft\u0131.<\/p>\n

Meline Anumyan-<\/em><\/strong> <\/em>Vahakn Dadryan\u2019\u0131n belirtti\u011fi gibi; ana iddianamede \u201ctaamm\u00fcden\u201d kelimesi ge\u00e7mektedir ki bu katliamlar\u0131n \u00f6nceden organize edilen bir su\u00e7 oldu\u011fu a\u00e7\u0131s\u0131ndan pek \u00f6nemli\u2026 <\/strong><\/p>\n

Cevap- <\/em><\/strong>\u201cTaamm\u00fcden\u201d kelimesi olmasa dahi, bir tehcirin aylarca s\u00fcrmesinden, \u00f6l\u00fcmlerin herkesin g\u00f6z\u00fcnde oldu\u011fu halde durdurulmamas\u0131ndan taamm\u00fcden oldu\u011fu anla\u015f\u0131l\u0131yor. Nazi soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131nda yaz\u0131l\u0131 plan var m\u0131yd\u0131? Hitler \u201cBen Yahudileri taamm\u00fcden \u00f6ld\u00fcrece\u011fim\u201d demi\u015f miydi? Bu olayda da b\u00f6yle bir belgenin veya a\u00e7\u0131k bir itiraf\u0131n bulunmamas\u0131 \u00f6nemli de\u011fil. Olay\u0131n gidi\u015fat\u0131, o gidi\u015fat s\u0131ras\u0131nda yap\u0131lan yaz\u0131\u015fmalar ve elbette davalar s\u0131ras\u0131nda merkezin bir plan\u0131 oldu\u011fu yolundaki itiraflar taamm\u00fcden oldu\u011funa i\u015faret ediyordu zaten. \u201cEmir ald\u0131k, \u015f\u00f6yle oldu\u201d yaz\u0131\u015fmalar var, bunlar\u0131n hepsi tabii ki, bir plana i\u015faret ediyordu. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc tehcir ba\u015flarken, defterler haz\u0131rlanm\u0131\u015f, kay\u0131tlar yap\u0131lm\u0131\u015f, ama b\u00fct\u00fcn haz\u0131rl\u0131klar tek y\u00f6nl\u00fc. Gidi\u015f \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131 var d\u00f6n\u00fc\u015f \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131 yok. Bug\u00fcn resmi tezi savunanlar, \u201cEfendim, h\u00fck\u00fcmet bu sonu\u00e7lar\u0131n\u0131 \u00f6ng\u00f6rmemi\u015fti, d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnmemi\u015fti. Onlar\u0131 iyilikleri i\u00e7in oraya g\u00f6ndermi\u015fti\u201d diyor. Bence burda \u00fczerinde durulacak nokta, h\u00fck\u00fcmetin o ko\u015fullar\u0131 \u00f6ng\u00f6rebilece\u011fidir. S\u00fcrekli rapor edildi\u011fi halde bunu engeliyecek hi\u00e7 bir \u015fey yapmamas\u0131, vurgulanmas\u0131 gereken esas noktad\u0131r. Bir de ben, Van ve Zeytun gibi merkeze belli bir direni\u015fin oldu\u011fu yerlerden yap\u0131lan tehcirle, herhangi bir direni\u015fin olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131 yerlerden yap\u0131lan tehcirlerin hukuki platformda farkl\u0131 \u015fekilde ele al\u0131nmas\u0131 gerekti\u011fini d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorum. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc bug\u00fcn resmi tarih\u00e7iler s\u00fcrekli \u201cVan ve benzeri yerlerdeki geli\u015fmelerin tehciri zorunlu k\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131\u201d propagandas\u0131n\u0131 yap\u0131yorlar. Halbuki bu merkezler d\u0131\u015f\u0131ndaki b\u00f6lgeler i\u00e7in \u0130ttihat\u00e7\u0131lar\u0131 savunacak hi\u00e7 bir arg\u00fcmanlar\u0131 yok.\u00a0<\/p>\n

\"\"<\/a>Meline Anumyan-<\/em><\/strong> Ge\u00e7enlerde \u201c\u00d6teki Tarih-I\u201d ad\u0131yla kitab\u0131n\u0131z yay\u0131mland\u0131. Bu ilk cilt, de\u011fil mi?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Ay\u015fe H\u00fcr- Evet, <\/em><\/strong>bu ciltte Tazminat\u2019la ba\u015flad\u0131m, Abd\u00fclhamit D\u00f6nemi olaylar\u0131na, \u00f6zellikle 1894-1896 aras\u0131nda ya\u015fananlara a\u011f\u0131rl\u0131k verdim ve \u0130ttihat\u00e7\u0131lar\u0131n iktidara ge\u00e7i\u015finden 1918\u2019e kadar getirdim. \u0130kinci ciltte ise Mondros sonras\u0131 ya\u015fananlarla ba\u015flayaca\u011f\u0131m. \u0130ttihat\u00e7\u0131 pa\u015falar nas\u0131l \u00f6ld\u00fcler, Mustafa Kemal \u0130ttihat\u00e7\u0131 m\u0131yd\u0131? Ermeni tehcirine kar\u015f\u0131 bak\u0131\u015f\u0131 neydi gibi konulardan ba\u015fl\u0131yaca\u011f\u0131m. Lozan, Sevr gibi konular\u0131n\u0131 inceledikten sonra, Cumhuriyet rejiminin kurulu\u015f a\u015famalar\u0131n\u0131 anlat\u0131p 1926 \u0130zmir Suikasti Davas\u0131\u2019yla \u0130ttihat\u00e7\u0131 kadrolar\u0131 tasfiye g\u00f6r\u00fcnt\u00fcs\u00fc alt\u0131nda belli ba\u015fl\u0131 muhaliflerin tasfiye edili\u015fine kadar getirece\u011fim. Ondan sonra Kemalist ideolojinin in\u015fa s\u00fcrecini anlatan \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcnc\u00fc bir kitap da olacak diye umuyorum.<\/p>\n

Meline Anumyan- <\/em><\/strong>Kitab\u0131n\u0131z nas\u0131l yank\u0131 yapt\u0131?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Ay\u015fe H\u00fcr- <\/em><\/strong>Yank\u0131 \u00e7ok yapt\u0131 diyemem \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc ne ben \u00e7ok \u00fcnl\u00fc bir yazar\u0131m, ne de kitab\u0131n \u00e7ok reklam\u0131n\u0131 yapt\u0131k. Ama her \u015feye ra\u011fmen kitap d\u00f6rd\u00fcnc\u00fc bask\u0131s\u0131n\u0131 yapt\u0131. T\u00fcrkiye kriterleri a\u00e7\u0131s\u0131ndan iyi bir sat\u0131\u015f rakam\u0131 olan 10 bine kadar sat\u0131ld\u0131. \u0130yi diyorum,\u00a0 \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc \u00f6teki tarihle, alternatif tarihle ilgilenen insan \u00e7ok de\u011fildir T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de. \u015eimdi yay\u0131nevi be\u015finci, alt\u0131nc\u0131 bask\u0131s\u0131 yapmay\u0131 umuyor.<\/p>\n

Meline Anumyan- <\/em><\/strong>Sizce, kitab\u0131n\u0131z T\u00fcrk tarih yaz\u0131m\u0131nda ne gibi bir yer tutuyor?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Ay\u015fe H\u00fcr- <\/em><\/strong>Elimden geldi\u011fi kadar, insanlara <\/em><\/strong>alternatif bir tarih bak\u0131\u015f\u0131 kazand\u0131rmak i\u00e7in gayet ediyorum ve bu konulara hem bir tarih\u00e7i, hem bir sivil toplumcu gibi bak\u0131yorum. De\u011fi\u015fik konu ba\u015fl\u0131klar\u0131nda b\u00f6yle makale tipi, pop\u00fcler usl\u00fcple yaz\u0131lm\u0131\u015f bir kitap yok, daha \u00e7ok bilimsel dipnotlu, daha a\u011f\u0131r kitaplar var. Okuyanlar, bu a\u00e7\u0131dan d\u00f6nemin panoramas\u0131n\u0131 g\u00f6rmelerinde faydal\u0131 oldu\u011funu s\u00f6yl\u00fcyorlar. Ama ben, \u201c\u015f\u00f6yle bir \u00f6nemi var\u201d diyemem a\u00e7\u0131k\u00e7as\u0131. Onu okurlar ve ele\u015ftirenler s\u00f6yleyebilirler bence.<\/p>\n

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