{"id":11520,"date":"2012-01-23T03:40:53","date_gmt":"2012-01-23T08:40:53","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?p=11520"},"modified":"2012-01-23T03:40:53","modified_gmt":"2012-01-23T08:40:53","slug":"patrick-devedjian-turklerden-kesinlikle-nefret-etmiyorum","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/akunq.net\/turkish\/2012\/01\/23\/patrick-devedjian-turklerden-kesinlikle-nefret-etmiyorum\/","title":{"rendered":"Patrick Devedjian: T\u00fcrklerden kesinlikle nefret etmiyorum"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"\"<\/a>T24 –\u00a0Frans\u0131z Senatosu’nun pazartesi g\u00fcn\u00fc oylayaca\u011f\u0131 1915\u2019teki Ermeni soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131n\u0131n ink\u00e2r\u0131n\u0131 su\u00e7 haline getiren bir yasa teklifinin mimarlar\u0131ndan UMP Milletvekili ve ASALA’n\u0131n avukat\u0131\u00a0Patrick Devedjian, “T\u00fcrklerden kesinlikle nefret etmiyorum. ‘Soyk\u0131r\u0131m’ kabul edilirse \u00f6l\u00fclerimi g\u00f6mm\u00fc\u015f olaca\u011f\u0131m” dedi.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Patrick Devedjian: T\u00fcrklerden kesinlikle nefret etmiyorum<\/p>\n

T24 –\u00a0Frans\u0131z Senatosu’nun pazartesi g\u00fcn\u00fc oylayaca\u011f\u0131 1915\u2019teki Ermeni soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131n\u0131n ink\u00e2r\u0131n\u0131 su\u00e7 haline getiren bir yasa teklifinin mimarlar\u0131ndan UMP Milletvekili ve ASALA’n\u0131n avukat\u0131\u00a0Patrick Devedjian, “T\u00fcrklerden kesinlikle nefret etmiyorum. ‘Soyk\u0131r\u0131m’ kabul edilirse \u00f6l\u00fclerimi g\u00f6mm\u00fc\u015f olaca\u011f\u0131m” dedi.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Devedjian’\u0131n Milliyet gazetesinden P\u0131nar Ersoy’un sorular\u0131na verdi\u011fi yan\u0131tlar \u015f\u00f6yle:<\/p>\n

Fransa\u2019da Ermeni diasporas\u0131n\u0131n ba\u015f akt\u00f6rlerinden Patrick Devedjian, T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de ASALA\u2019n\u0131n avukatl\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 yapmas\u0131 ve T\u00fcrkiye kar\u015f\u0131t\u0131 a\u00e7\u0131klamalar\u0131yla tan\u0131n\u0131yor. Senato\u2019da pazartesi oylanacak yasa tasar\u0131s\u0131 meclisten ge\u00e7erken yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131 konu\u015fmadaki agresif ton hala haf\u0131zalarda… Oysa Nanterre\u2019deki ofisinde sorular\u0131m\u0131z\u0131 yan\u0131tlarken tam aksi bir portre \u00e7iziyor. Sakin, mant\u0131kl\u0131, derdini olabildi\u011fince kibar anlat\u0131yor. \u0130stanbul burjuvazisinden geliyor. Ortak\u00f6y\u2019de oturan babas\u0131 Frans\u0131z sisteminde e\u011fitim ald\u0131ktan sonra 1919\u2019da \u0130stanbul\u2019dan Fransa\u2019ya gelmi\u015f. Devedjian ailesindeki kay\u0131plar\u0131n hikayeleriyle b\u00fcy\u00fcd\u00fc\u011f\u00fcn\u00fc s\u00f6yl\u00fcyor. \u0130nkara kar\u015f\u0131 kendi tezlerini anlat\u0131rken \u201cNe olursa olsun kad\u0131n ve \u00e7ocuklar \u00f6ld\u00fcr\u00fclmez\u201d diyor. Bunu s\u00f6ylerken sesi titriyor. Ermeni diasporas\u0131n\u0131n en \u00e7ok tart\u0131\u015f\u0131lan ismine son tasar\u0131y\u0131, T\u00fcrkiye\u2019ye kar\u015f\u0131 hislerini, ASALA\u2019y\u0131 sorduk…<\/p>\n

–\u00a0 Fransa gibi soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131n herkes taraf\u0131ndan kabul edildi\u011fi bir \u00fclkede bu yasay\u0131 \u00e7\u0131karman\u0131n Ermenilere ne faydas\u0131 var?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Bu yasa iki \u015feyi de\u011fi\u015ftirecek. T\u00fcrk devleti art\u0131k Fransa topraklar\u0131nda inkarc\u0131 propagandas\u0131n\u0131 da\u011f\u0131tamayacak. Bana T\u00fcrk yetkililer tarf\u0131ndan haz\u0131rlanm\u0131\u015f, soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131n Ermeni yalan\u0131 oldu\u011funu s\u00f6yleyen bro\u015f\u00fcrler gelmeyecek. Bu ilk tatmin unsuru. \u0130kinci olarak k\u00fcreselle\u015fme sayesinde zaten de\u011fi\u015fim halinde olan kamuoyunda bu konuyla ilgili bilin\u00e7 artacak.<\/p>\n

–\u00a0 Ancak herkes bu tasar\u0131n\u0131n T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131 tart\u0131\u015fmay\u0131 zorla\u015ft\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 s\u00f6yl\u00fcyor…<\/strong><\/p>\n

Ben tam tersini d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorum. Bak\u0131n ger\u00e7ek, t\u0131paya benzer. Elinizle suyun dibinde tutabilirsiniz ama elinizi \u00e7ekti\u011finiz anda suyu y\u00fcz\u00fcne f\u0131rlar.<\/p>\n

– T\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin \u00f6nde gelen entellekt\u00fcelleri daha \u00f6nceki g\u00fcn Le Monde\u2019da bu meseleyi T\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin \u00e7\u00f6zmesi gerekti\u011fini s\u00f6yledi…<\/strong><\/p>\n

T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de bu konuyla ilgili d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnen, \u00e7al\u0131\u015fan gittik\u00e7e daha fazla entellekt\u00fcel oldu\u011funun fark\u0131nday\u0131m. Ama bu konuda iyi niyetlerine ra\u011fmen yan\u0131l\u0131yorlar. T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de otoriter ve arkaik bir k\u00fclt\u00fcr var. De\u011fi\u015fimi T\u00fcrkiye devleti de\u011fil; k\u00fcreselle\u015fme, bilginin serbest dola\u015f\u0131m\u0131 sa\u011fl\u0131yor. Bu yasa ge\u00e7ti\u011finde ba\u015fta tepki toplasa bile daha sonra faydas\u0131 olacak. Yabanc\u0131 \u00fclkelerin bask\u0131s\u0131 ve k\u00fcreselle\u015fme kamuoyunda de\u011fi\u015fime yard\u0131mc\u0131 oluyor.<\/p>\n

–\u00a0 Bu yasa T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de \u00e7ok ele\u015ftirilen 301\u2019den nas\u0131l farkl\u0131?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Soruyu tersten soray\u0131m. T\u00fcrkiye kendi uygulad\u0131\u011f\u0131 bir yasan\u0131n benzerinin Fransa\u2019da ge\u00e7mesine neden itiraz ediyor?<\/p>\n

–\u00a0 \u0130nsan haklar\u0131n\u0131n anavatan\u0131nda bu yasa ifade \u00f6zg\u00fcrl\u00fc\u011f\u00fcn\u00fc k\u0131s\u0131tlam\u0131\u015f olacak…<\/strong><\/p>\n

Buna inanm\u0131yorum. Bu yasa bilimsel ve iyi niyetle yap\u0131lm\u0131\u015f ara\u015ft\u0131rmalar\u0131 engellemiyor ama propagandaya izin vermiyor. T\u00fcrk devletinin propaganda yapmas\u0131n\u0131 engelliyor..<\/p>\n

–\u00a0 Nas\u0131l bir propagandadan bahsediyorsunuz?
\n<\/strong>
\nSize bir \u00f6rnek vereyim. 1980\u2019li y\u0131llarda Jean-Marie Carzou, soyk\u0131r\u0131mla ilgili Fransa\u2019daki ilk kitaplardan birini yazd\u0131. Hachette yay\u0131nlayacakt\u0131. T\u00fcrkiye B\u00fcy\u00fckel\u00e7isi Hachette\u2019in yetkililerini makam\u0131na \u00e7a\u011f\u0131r\u0131p bu kitab\u0131n yay\u0131nlanmas\u0131 halinde Hachette\u2019in T\u00fcrkiye\u2019deki da\u011f\u0131t\u0131m\u0131n\u0131n duraca\u011f\u0131n\u0131 s\u00f6yledi. Hachette bunun \u00fczerine \u00e7oktan bast\u0131rd\u0131\u011f\u0131 sayfalar\u0131 aynen Flammarion\u2019a verdi. Kitap bu yay\u0131nevinden \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131.<\/p>\n

‘Cezayir T\u00fcrkleri de hat\u0131rl\u0131yor’<\/strong><\/p>\n

–\u00a0Siz \u015fahsen hi\u00e7 tehdit edildiniz mi?
\n<\/strong>
\nS\u00fcrekli mektuplar al\u0131yorum. Bir keresinde H\u00fcrriyet bana kar\u015f\u0131 imza kampanyas\u0131 ba\u015flatm\u0131\u015ft\u0131. B\u00fct\u00fcn Avrupa\u2019daki T\u00fcrklerden bir ayda 5 bin mektup ald\u0131m. Bu yasa ge\u00e7erse b\u00f6yle \u015feyler art\u0131k m\u00fcmk\u00fcn olmayacak.<\/p>\n

–\u00a0 Fransa\u2019da konu\u015ftu\u011fum bir\u00e7ok ki\u015fi T\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin tasar\u0131ya a\u015f\u0131r\u0131 tepki g\u00f6sterdi\u011fini s\u00f6yledi. Siz ne d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorsunuz?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Yasaya kar\u015f\u0131 olan bir\u00e7ok milletvekili Ankara\u2019n\u0131n tepkisinden sonra fikir de\u011fi\u015ftirdi. Mesela oturumu y\u00f6neten, eski cumhurba\u015fkan\u0131n\u0131n o\u011flu Louis Giscard d\u2019Estaing yasaya tamamen kar\u015f\u0131yd\u0131. T\u00fcrkiye\u2019den gelen tepkilerden sonra fikir de\u011fi\u015ftirdi\u011fini gazetelere kendisi s\u00f6yledi.<\/p>\n

–\u00a0 Fransa\u2019n\u0131n Cezayir\u2019de yapt\u0131klar\u0131yla kar\u015f\u0131la\u015ft\u0131rma konusunda ne diyeceksiniz?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Bence T\u00fcrkler Cezayirlilerle tekrar konu\u015fmal\u0131. Cezayir Fransa\u2019dan \u00f6nceki y\u00f6netimin T\u00fcrkler oldu\u011funu \u00e7ok iyi hat\u0131rl\u0131yor. \u0130ki \u00fclkenin davran\u0131\u015flar\u0131 aras\u0131ndaki fark\u0131 da… \u00c7ok zaman ge\u00e7ti ama hat\u0131rl\u0131yorlar.<\/p>\n

–\u00a0 T\u00fcrkiye yasa ge\u00e7erse ekonomik yapt\u0131r\u0131mlara haz\u0131rlan\u0131yor… Fransa bundan zarar g\u00f6rmeyecek mi?<\/strong><\/p>\n

T\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin ekonomik tehditleri etik olmamakla birlikte ayr\u0131ca sorumsuzca… Ekonominin politikayla birebir ba\u011flant\u0131l\u0131 oldu\u011funu varsay\u0131yorlar. 2001\u2019de soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131 tan\u0131yan yasa ge\u00e7ti\u011finde de ayn\u0131 tehditleri savurdular. 2002\u2019de iki \u00fclke aras\u0131ndaki ticaret hacmi y\u00fczde 30 artt\u0131.<\/p>\n

–\u00a0 Bir\u00e7ok ki\u015fi 1915 olaylar\u0131n\u0131n par\u00e7alanmakta olan imparatorlukta ya\u015fanan bir\u00e7ok ac\u0131dan yaln\u0131zca biri oldu\u011funu s\u00f6yl\u00fcyor… Bu nedenle \u00f6zel ilgi g\u00f6sterilmesine kar\u015f\u0131lar.<\/strong><\/p>\n

Tabii ki tek ac\u0131 \u00e7eken Ermeniler de\u011fildi… Sava\u015f s\u0131ras\u0131nda Ermeniler \u00f6lebilir, bu anla\u015f\u0131l\u0131r bir \u015fey. Ama ya\u015fanan \u00f6nceden planlanm\u0131\u015f bir projeydi. Bunun binlerce kan\u0131t\u0131 var. Talat Pa\u015fa\u2019n\u0131n telegraflar\u0131, diplomatlar\u0131n yaz\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131 ve an\u0131lar\u0131… Bu bir kaza de\u011fildi. Kad\u0131n ve \u00e7ocuklar\u0131 kim \u00f6ld\u00fcr\u00fcr! Fransa\u2019daki insanlar\u0131n, Ermeni olmayanlar\u0131n bile, anlamad\u0131\u011f\u0131 \u015fey \u015fu: T\u00fcrk h\u00fck\u00fcmeti Talat Pa\u015fa\u2019y\u0131 neden savunuyor? Neden Talat Pa\u015fa\u2019n\u0131n avukatl\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 yap\u0131yor? Ermenistan\u2019la s\u0131n\u0131r neden kapal\u0131? T\u00fcm bunlar ayn\u0131 nefretin devam\u0131 olmas\u0131n? T\u00fcrkiye \u00e7oktan kaybetti\u011fi bir sava\u015f veriyor.<\/p>\n

–\u00a0 Ne kastediyorsunuz?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Her ge\u00e7en g\u00fcn daha da fazla \u00fclke soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131 tan\u0131yor. AB i\u00e7in \u00e7ok \u00f6nemli hale geldi, ABD eninde sonunda politik \u00e7\u0131karlar\u0131n\u0131 b\u0131rak\u0131p ger\u00e7e\u011fi kabul edecek. Bir g\u00fcn T\u00fcrkiye bu konuda diplomatik olarak tamamen tek ba\u015f\u0131na kalacak ve soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131 tan\u0131mak zorunda kalacak. K\u00fcreselle\u015fmenin, ortak k\u00fclt\u00fcr ve tarihin, bilgi ak\u0131\u015f\u0131n\u0131n bu kadar artt\u0131\u011f\u0131 bir d\u00f6nemde daha fazla direnemez. T\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 anlams\u0131z buluyorum. Kolayca \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fclecek bir konuyu \u015fi\u015firiyorlar.<\/p>\n


\n‘\u00d6lene kadar m\u00fccadele edece\u011fim bu bir onur meselesi’<\/strong><\/p>\n

–\u00a0 Fransa\u2019daki Ermeni diasporas\u0131n\u0131n en tan\u0131nan y\u00fcz\u00fc sizsiniz… Neden?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Bence en tan\u0131nan y\u00fcz Charles Aznavour… Ama benim \u00e7ok g\u00f6r\u00fcn\u00fcr olmam\u0131n nedeni san\u0131r\u0131m politikac\u0131 olmam. Fransa Ermenileri i\u00e7inde Fransa\u2019ya \u00e7ok net \u015fekilde entegre oldu\u011fu halde k\u00f6kenlerini inkar etmeyen birini temsil ediyorum.<\/p>\n

–\u00a0 Fransa\u2019da sizinle ayn\u0131 fikirde olmayan Ermeniler var m\u0131?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Fransa\u2019daki t\u00fcm Ermeni ailelerinin bir s\u00fcrg\u00fcn ve \u00f6l\u00fcm hikayesi vard\u0131r. Bu nedenle ink\u00e2r kimse i\u00e7in kabul edilebilir bir unsur de\u011fil. Bu konuda hemfikiriz. Ama buna kar\u015f\u0131 nas\u0131l hareket edilece\u011fi ile ilgili g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015f ayr\u0131l\u0131klar\u0131 tabii ki var. Mesela T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de Ermeni esirler olmas\u0131na daha hassas olan kesimler var. Ermenistan\u2019la s\u0131n\u0131r\u0131n a\u00e7\u0131lmamas\u0131 konusunda daha hassas olan kesimler var…<\/p>\n

–\u00a0 Daha ne kadar m\u00fccadele edeceksiniz?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u00d6lene kadar. Bu \u00e7ok, \u00e7ok yorucu… Ama onur meselesi.<\/p>\n

–\u00a0 Sizden sonra gelen jenerasyon bu konuda ayn\u0131 derecede tutkulu mu?
\n<\/strong>
\nEvet, bu korkun\u00e7 adaletsizlik y\u00fcz\u00fcnden… Soyk\u0131r\u0131ma u\u011fram\u0131\u015f insanlar\u0131n \u00e7ocuklar\u0131 olarak burada olduklar\u0131n\u0131 biliyorlar. Bak\u0131n, biz Fransa\u2019da tamamen asimile olmu\u015f bir toplulu\u011fuz. Bizi bir arada tutan son \u015fey \u00f6l\u00fclerimizi sonunda g\u00f6mebilmek… Ve bunu yapman\u0131n tek yolu ger\u00e7ekten ge\u00e7iyor. Bizim atalar\u0131m\u0131z trafik kazas\u0131nda \u00f6lmedi. Bu ahlaki durum \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fclmeden tarihimizden kopamay\u0131z.<\/p>\n


\n‘Tazminat falan de\u011fil yaln\u0131zca huzur istiyorum’<\/strong><\/p>\n

–\u00a0 Ermeniler T\u00fcrkiye\u2019den tam olarak ne istiyor? Soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131n tan\u0131nmas\u0131, tazminat, toprak se\u00e7enekler aras\u0131nda…<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u00d6nce tan\u0131ma. Ben Frans\u0131z\u0131m. Benim i\u00e7in soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131n tan\u0131nmas\u0131 \u00f6l\u00fclerimi g\u00f6mmek demek. Hi\u00e7bir tazminat istemiyorum.<\/p>\n

–\u00a0 T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de tan\u0131maya kar\u015f\u0131 \u00e7\u0131kanlar genelde tazminat ve toprak taleplerinin bunu takip edece\u011fini s\u00f6yl\u00fcyor…<\/strong><\/p>\n

Konu bu de\u011fil. T\u00fcrkiye tazminat \u00f6dememek i\u00e7in bir\u00e7ok ge\u00e7erli arg\u00fcman \u00f6ne s\u00fcrebilir. Ama tazminat ve tan\u0131ma birbirinden radikal bi\u00e7imde farkl\u0131 iki konu… \u015eu anda da tazminat isteyenler var, o zaman da olacakt\u0131r ama Ermenilerin b\u00fcy\u00fck k\u0131sm\u0131 i\u00e7in soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131n tan\u0131nmas\u0131 yeterli. Bu bize huzur getirecek.<\/p>\n


\n‘T\u00fcrklerden nefret etmiyorum’<\/strong><\/p>\n

–\u00a0T\u00fcrklerden nefret ediyor musunuz?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Kesinlikle hay\u0131r. \u0130nsanlardan nefret etmiyorum. Benim dedemi 23 Nisan 1915\u2019te bir T\u00fcrk albay\u0131 kurtard\u0131. \u00dcstelik kollektif sorumluluk diye bir \u015fey yok. Hele hele bug\u00fcn T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de ya\u015fayan insanlar\u0131n otoriter bir h\u00fck\u00fcmeti kabul etmek d\u0131\u015f\u0131nda hi\u00e7bir su\u00e7u yok.<\/p>\n

–\u00a0 T\u00fcrk devletinden?
\n<\/strong>
\nT\u00fcrk devletine \u00e7ok sempati duymuyorum. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc demokratik de\u011fil. Bununla birlikte d\u00fcnyada demokrat olmayan tek \u00fclke T\u00fcrkiye de\u011fil.\u00a0 Genelde diktat\u00f6ryal olan T\u00fcrk devleti ve orada ya\u015fayan insanlar\u0131 bir tutmuyorum.<\/p>\n

–\u00a0\u00a0 T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de baz\u0131 \u00e7evreler bu yasa ge\u00e7erse b\u00fct\u00fcn T\u00fcrklerin katil torunu olarak tan\u0131mlanm\u0131\u015f olaca\u011f\u0131n\u0131 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyor…<\/strong><\/p>\n

Kesinlikle hay\u0131r! T\u00fcrkiye devletinin t\u00fcm sayg\u0131nl\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 geri kazanmas\u0131 i\u00e7in soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131 tan\u0131mas\u0131 yeterli.\u00a0 Bug\u00fcn\u00fcn Almanyas\u0131 Hitler\u2019in Almanyas\u0131 de\u011fil. T\u00fcrkler Willy Brandt\u2019\u0131n Auschwitz\u2019de diz \u00e7\u00f6kt\u00fc\u011f\u00fc resim \u00fczerine d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnmeliler. Brandt Almanya\u2019ya en b\u00fcy\u00fck hizmeti dizleri \u00fczerinde yapt\u0131.<\/p>\n

Talat Pa\u015fa kimdir?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u0130ttihat ve Terakki\u2019nin kurucular\u0131ndan. I. D\u00fcnya Sava\u015f\u0131 s\u0131ras\u0131nda Ermenilere y\u00f6nelik Tehcir Kanunu\u2019nun \u00e7\u0131kar\u0131lmas\u0131nda etkin rol oynad\u0131. 15 Mart 1921\u2019de Berlin\u2019de bir Ermeni Ta\u015fnak Partisi \u00fcyesi Sogomon Tehliryan taraf\u0131ndan \u00f6ld\u00fcr\u00fcld\u00fc.<\/p>\n


\nPatrick Devedjian kimdir?<\/strong><\/p>\n

–\u00a0 26 A\u011fustos 1944\u2019te, Sivas do\u011fumlu Ermeni bir m\u00fchendisin o\u011flu olarak Paris yak\u0131nlar\u0131ndaki Fontainebleu\u2019de d\u00fcnyaya geldi.<\/p>\n

–\u00a0 Fransa\u2019n\u0131n M\u00fclkiye\u2019si say\u0131lan Institut d\u2019Etudes Politiques\u2019de \u00f6\u011frenim g\u00f6r\u00fcrken a\u015f\u0131r\u0131 sa\u011f gruplara kat\u0131ld\u0131.<\/p>\n

–\u00a0 1970\u2019de avukat olarak Paris barosuna kaydoldu. 1971\u2019de eski Cumhurba\u015fkan\u0131 Jacques Chirac\u2019in partisi RPR\u2019ye kat\u0131ld\u0131.<\/p>\n

–\u00a0 1985\u2019te \u00e7e\u015fitli \u00fcyelerinin davalar\u0131n\u0131 \u00fcstlendi\u011fi ASALA i\u00e7in \u2018direni\u015f \u00f6rg\u00fct\u00fc\u2019 tan\u0131mlamas\u0131n\u0131 kulland\u0131.<\/p>\n

–\u00a0 1986\u2019da milletvekili se\u00e7ildi. 2002\u2019de Chirac taraf\u0131ndan end\u00fcstri bakanl\u0131\u011f\u0131na atand\u0131.<\/p>\n

–\u00a0 Yak\u0131n dostu Nicolas Sarkozy\u2019nin 2007\u2019de se\u00e7ilmesi i\u00e7in yo\u011fun kampanya y\u00fcr\u00fctt\u00fc.<\/p>\n

–\u00a0 2008 sonunda h\u00fck\u00fcmette ge\u00e7ici bir g\u00f6reve atansa da 2010\u2019daki kabine de\u011fi\u015fikli\u011finde yer bulamad\u0131.<\/p>\n

Marsilya\u2019da bir diplomata sald\u0131rmakla su\u00e7lanan bir gencin avukatl\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 yapm\u0131\u015ft\u0131m. Annesi mahkemeye ifade vermeye geldi. Yan\u0131nda bir \u0130ncil vard\u0131. \u0130\u00e7indeki kum tanelerini g\u00f6sterdi. \u201cBizim ailemiz bu \u0130ncil\u2019le dua ediyor. Bu kumlar Suriye \u00e7\u00f6l\u00fcn\u00fcn kumlar\u0131. Ka\u00e7arken annem ta\u015f\u0131yordu. O yorgunluktan \u00f6ld\u00fc\u011f\u00fcnde ben ald\u0131m saklad\u0131m. Beni \u00f6nce bir K\u00fcrt aile ald\u0131. Daha sonra Amerikal\u0131 misyonerler onlardan sat\u0131n al\u0131p \u00f6ks\u00fczler yurduna koydu. Bu hikayeyi b\u00fcy\u00fcrken o\u011fluma defalarca anlatt\u0131m. O bu y\u00fczden bug\u00fcn mahkemede. Onun de\u011fil benim su\u00e7um\u201d dedi. Biz b\u00f6yle b\u00fcy\u00fcd\u00fck.<\/p>\n

‘T\u00fcrkiye Ermenileriyle farkl\u0131 mant\u0131k y\u00fcr\u00fct\u00fcyoruz’<\/strong><\/p>\n

–\u00a0T\u00fcrkiye\u2019deki Ermenilerle ili\u015fkiniz var m\u0131?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u00c7ok az.<\/p>\n

–\u00a0 Bu yasan\u0131n onlar\u0131n hayat\u0131n\u0131 zorla\u015ft\u0131raca\u011f\u0131n\u0131 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyor musunuz?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Maalesef evet. T\u00fcrkiye onlar\u0131 esir ald\u0131 ve ink\u00e2ra bir de \u015fantaj ekliyor. Yasan\u0131n meclisten ge\u00e7mesi a\u015famas\u0131nda ya\u015fananlar Fransa kamuoyunda \u201cT\u00fcrk devleti burada bile bunlar\u0131 yap\u0131yorsa orada ya\u015fayan H\u0131ristiyanlar neler ya\u015f\u0131yor olmal\u0131\u201d hissini yaratt\u0131…<\/p>\n

–\u00a0 Hrant Dink \u00f6lmeden \u00f6nce Fransa\u2019n\u0131n bu meseleye kar\u0131\u015fmamas\u0131 gerekti\u011fini s\u00f6yledi\u011finde samimi de\u011fil miydi yani?
\n<\/strong>
\nTabii ki samimiydi. Bunun i\u00e7in hayat\u0131n\u0131 feda etti. Ama bu konuda T\u00fcrkiye Ermenileriyle ayn\u0131 fikirde de\u011filiz. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc ayn\u0131 ko\u015fullarda ya\u015fam\u0131yoruz. Ben korundu\u011fum bir \u00fclkede ya\u015f\u0131yorum. Onun ise b\u00f6yle bir \u015fans\u0131 yoktu. Dolay\u0131s\u0131yla ayn\u0131 \u015fekilde mant\u0131k y\u00fcr\u00fctm\u00fcyoruz. T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de ya\u015fayan Ermeniler ger\u00e7ek ve hayatta kalma aras\u0131nda bir yol ar\u0131yor. Ben, hayatta kalma gibi bir derdim olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131 i\u00e7in \u015fansl\u0131y\u0131m.<\/p>\n

–\u00a0 Sizin Fransa\u2019da att\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131z ad\u0131mlar t\u00fcm Ermeniler de\u011fil yaln\u0131zca Fransa\u2019dakilerin iyili\u011fi i\u00e7in mi?
\n<\/strong>
\nBence t\u00fcm Ermenileri etkiliyor. Bu yasa nedeniyle bir s\u00fcre zorluk ya\u015fayabiliriler. Ama asla esir alanlar\u0131n \u015fantaj\u0131na boyun e\u011fmemek laz\u0131m.<\/p>\n

–\u00a0 Sizce T\u00fcrkiye\u2019deki Ermeniler ger\u00e7ekten esir mi? \u0130steseler gidemezler mi?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Gidiyorlar zaten. T\u00fcrkiye devletinin amac\u0131 da bu… Y\u00fczde 80\u2019i ka\u00e7t\u0131. 60 bin kald\u0131. Devlete bu bile fazla geliyor.<\/p>\n


\n‘ASALA\u2019n\u0131n avukat\u0131 olarak s\u00f6ylediklerim ve \u015fahsi fikrim birbirinden ayr\u0131\u015f\u0131yor’<\/strong><\/p>\n

–\u00a0 ASALA\u2019n\u0131n avuaktl\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 yaptn\u0131z. Sizce eylemleri hakl\u0131 m\u0131yd\u0131?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Ben bir avukat\u0131m. Avukat\u0131, savundu\u011fu ki\u015finin su\u00e7uyla ba\u011fda\u015ft\u0131rmak totaliter bir al\u0131\u015fkanl\u0131kt\u0131r.<\/p>\n

–\u00a0 O zaman ASALA \u00fcyeleri i\u00e7in \u201cter\u00f6rist de\u011fil aktivist\u201d demi\u015ftiniz…<\/strong><\/p>\n

Evet, onlar\u0131 savunuyordum. Beni m\u00fcvekkillerimi savunmakla m\u0131 su\u00e7luyorsunuz? T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de insanlar\u0131n bir avukat taraf\u0131ndan savunulmaya hakk\u0131 yok mu?<\/p>\n

–\u00a0 Peki bug\u00fcnk\u00fc bak\u0131\u015f a\u00e7\u0131n\u0131z nedir? ASALA\u2019n\u0131n eylemleri hakl\u0131 m\u0131yd\u0131? A\u00e7\u0131klanabilir mi?<\/strong><\/p>\n

A\u00e7\u0131klanabilir. Bu bir sava\u015f… Sizce Kuzey K\u0131br\u0131s<\/a>\u2019\u0131n i\u015fgali a\u00e7\u0131klanabilir mi?<\/p>\n

–\u00a0 T\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin ba\u015fka konulardaki eylemlerinin do\u011fru ya da yanl\u0131\u015f olmas\u0131 bu konuyla ilgili bir a\u00e7\u0131klama olabilir mi ger\u00e7ekten?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Evet, \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc bu bir \u00e7at\u0131\u015fma. Benim kendi i\u00e7imde ne d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnd\u00fc\u011f\u00fcm ve mahkemede yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131m savunma iki ayr\u0131 \u015fey…<\/p>\n

–\u00a0 Ben sizin kendi i\u00e7inizde ne d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnd\u00fc\u011f\u00fcn\u00fcz\u00fc merak ediyorum..<\/strong><\/p>\n

Bir avukat\u0131n arg\u00fcmanlar\u0131na kendi felsefi g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fleryle g\u00f6lge d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcrmemesi gerekir. Size mahkemede ne savundu\u011fumu anlatay\u0131m.. Bu diplomatlar\u0131n inkarc\u0131 propagandan\u0131n ajan\u0131 olduklar\u0131n\u0131, bu nedenle masum olmad\u0131klar\u0131n\u0131 savundum.<\/p>\n

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