{"id":7636,"date":"2011-08-23T04:59:33","date_gmt":"2011-08-23T09:59:33","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?p=7636"},"modified":"2011-08-23T04:59:33","modified_gmt":"2011-08-23T09:59:33","slug":"istanbul%e2%80%99lu-aydinlardan-sarkis-seropyan-ve-besse-kabak%e2%80%99la-%e2%80%9cakunq%e2%80%9d-yazi-islerinde-yapilan-roportaj","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?p=7636","title":{"rendered":"\u0130stanbul\u2019lu ayd\u0131nlardan Sarkis Seropyan ve Besse Kabak\u2019la, \u201cAkunq\u201d yaz\u0131 i\u015flerinde yap\u0131lan r\u00f6portaj"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?attachment_id=7637\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-7637\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignnone size-full wp-image-7637\" title=\"S.S.- B.B\" src=\"http:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/08\/S.S.-B.B.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"552\" height=\"332\" srcset=\"https:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/6\/2011\/08\/S.S.-B.B.jpg 552w, https:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/6\/2011\/08\/S.S.-B.B-300x180.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 552px) 100vw, 552px\" \/><\/a><\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Haygazun Alv\u0131rtsyan \u2013 <\/strong>Panarmenian oyunlar\u0131na kat\u0131lan \u0130stanbul heyeti ve \u00f6zellikle oyunlara ilk defa olarak kat\u0131lan Sasun Derne\u011fi\u2019yle ilgili bilgiler vermenizi rica ediyorum. Nas\u0131l geldiniz, ne gibi intibalar edindiniz ve oyunlar nas\u0131l ge\u00e7iyor?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Sarkis Seropyan \u2013 <\/strong>Sasunlular\u0131n grubunu buraya getirme fikri, ismi Ermenicede Yeprem olarak telaffuz edilen Bitlisli Efrim Ba\u011f\u2019a aittir. Efrim Ba\u011f, \u0130stanbul Ermeni toplumunda tan\u0131nm\u0131\u015f bir ki\u015fidir. Kendisi kilise y\u00f6netiminde bulunmu\u015f, Kumkap\u0131 ana kilisesinin y\u00f6netim kurulu ba\u015fkanl\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 yapm\u0131\u015f biridir. Vatansever ve milliyetperver biri olup, tarih\u00ee Sasun\u2019a ait olmakla birlikte g\u00fcn\u00fcm\u00fczde Bitlis Vilayeti s\u0131n\u0131rlar\u0131 d\u00e2hilinde bulunan Mutki\u2019de do\u011fmu\u015f olmas\u0131na ra\u011fmen kendisini Sasunlu olarak kabul etmektedir. Mutki b\u00f6lgesi, Maratuk Da\u011f\u0131\u2019na yak\u0131nd\u0131r. K\u00fc\u00e7\u00fck ya\u015flarda ailesiyle \u0130stanbul\u2019a yerle\u015fip patrikhane kilisesinin G\u00f6\u00e7men Heyeti\u2019nin himayesine al\u0131nm\u0131\u015ft\u0131r. Yedi karde\u015f \u00e7al\u0131\u015farak bellerini d\u00fczeltmi\u015flerdir.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Efrim Ba\u011f, bug\u00fcn varl\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131n bir k\u0131sm\u0131n\u0131 milli i\u015flere ba\u011f\u0131\u015flamaktad\u0131r. \u00c7ok vatanseverdir, her y\u0131l olmasa da, son y\u0131llarda giderek s\u0131k olarak, en az\u0131ndan yortularda, Maratuk kilisesinin ziyaret g\u00fcn\u00fc olan Vartavar yortusunda do\u011fum yerini ziyaret etmektedir. Duydu\u011fum kadar\u0131yla bu y\u0131l Efrim, genellikle kullan\u0131lan yoldan gitmeyip (ara\u00e7larla Maratuk kilisesi yak\u0131nlar\u0131nda bulunan Pur\u015fenk K\u00f6y\u00fc\u2019ne kadar gidip k\u0131sa yoldan zirveye \u00e7\u0131k\u0131yorlar, Sasunlular 45 dakika diyor, fakat biz ancak 2 saatten \u00e7\u0131kar\u0131z, benzetmem i\u00e7in kusura bakmay\u0131n, fakat Sasunlular ke\u00e7i gibi kolay t\u0131rman\u0131yorlar kayalar\u0131), ba\u015fka bir yol se\u00e7mi\u015f, Kozluk\u2019tan y\u00fcr\u00fcyerek \u00e7\u0131km\u0131\u015f. Neden y\u00fcr\u00fcyerek \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131\u011f\u0131 sorusuna, adak tuttu\u011funu ve kiliseden istedi\u011finin yerine gelmesi i\u00e7in y\u00fcr\u00fcyerek \u00e7\u0131k\u0131lmas\u0131 gerekti\u011fini s\u00f6yledi.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Maratuk Kilisesi\u2019nin ziyaret g\u00fcn\u00fc Vartavar yortusu g\u00fcn\u00fcd\u00fcr. Biz sizinle Dersim\u2019de Vartavar kutlarken, onlar da Maratuk\u2019ta kutluyorlard\u0131, fakat onlar\u0131n Vartavar kutlamas\u0131 biraz farkl\u0131d\u0131r. Balmumundan haz\u0131rlad\u0131klar\u0131 mumlar\u0131 Maruta Surp (Aziz) Astvadsadsin kilisesinde yak\u0131yorlar. Enteresan olan, kendileri inerken, b\u00f6lge halk\u0131n\u0131n \u00e7almamas\u0131 i\u00e7in yanan mumlar\u0131n ba\u015f\u0131nda n\u00f6bet\u00e7i b\u0131rakmalar\u0131d\u0131r. Ertesi g\u00fcn\u00fc, Maratuk\u2019un di\u011fer zirvesi olan \u015eekhbazit\u2019te de y\u00f6re halk\u0131 bayram kutlamakta ve kendileri mum haz\u0131rlayacaklar\u0131na Ermenilerin mumlar\u0131n\u0131 yakmaktalar.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Efrim\u2019in, Sasunlular aras\u0131nda epeyi etkisi ve sayg\u0131nl\u0131\u011f\u0131 var, \u00e7o\u011funa i\u015f bulmu\u015f, \u00e7o\u011funun \u00e7ocu\u011funun e\u011fitim masraflar\u0131n\u0131 \u00fcstlenmi\u015f. Bu y\u00fczden de kendi toplumu olan Sasunlular taraf\u0131ndan sevilmektedir. Efrim, Sasunlular\u0131n futbol tak\u0131m\u0131ndan, birka\u00e7 satran\u00e7\u00e7\u0131dan, birka\u00e7 farkl\u0131 spor dallar\u0131nda faaliyet g\u00f6sterenlerden, bunlar\u0131n ebeveynlerinden ve taraftarlardan bir grup haz\u0131rlay\u0131p Ermenistan\u2019a g\u00f6t\u00fcrece\u011fini bildirince hepsi de severek gelip kat\u0131ld\u0131. Bir de bakt\u0131 ki bir u\u00e7ak yetmiyor, ikincisini de \u00e7a\u011f\u0131r\u0131p Sasunlular\u0131 iki u\u00e7akla Yerevan\u2019a getirdi. \u0130ki otele yerle\u015ftiler. Aralar\u0131nda profesyonel organizat\u00f6rler yok ve bu i\u015fleri dostlar\u0131na havale etmi\u015ftir. Burada da dostlar\u0131 vard\u0131. \u00d6yle bir d\u00fczenlemi\u015f ki, bug\u00fcne kadar d\u00fczg\u00fcn bir program d\u00e2hilinde hareket ediyorlar. Yanl\u0131\u015f\u0131m olmas\u0131n, fakat iki yar\u0131\u015fmada galip geldiklerini biliyorum.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Besse Kabak- <\/strong>Futbol yar\u0131\u015fmas\u0131nda gruplar\u0131nda ilk s\u0131radalar galiba, bir beraberlikleri ve iki galibiyetleri var.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Sarkis Seropyan \u2013 <\/strong>Yerevan\u2019\u0131 saymazsak en kalabal\u0131k gruplardan biri Sasun grubudur.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Haygazun Alv\u0131rtsyan \u2013 <\/strong>Grubun 350 ki\u015fiden olu\u015fmu\u015f oldu\u011funu duydum.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Besse Kabak \u2013 <\/strong>Hepsine Sasunlu demek yanl\u0131\u015f olurdu. D\u00fcn\u00fcr ili\u015fkileri de var, mesela Sasunlunun damad\u0131 Yozgatl\u0131 olabilir. Akrabalar ve dostlarla geldiler. 300\u2019\u00fcn \u00fczerinde insan geldi.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Haygazun Alv\u0131rtsyan \u2013 <\/strong>T\u00fcm \u0130stanbul grubu ka\u00e7 ki\u015fiden m\u00fcte\u015fekkil?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Besse Kabak \u2013 <\/strong>Yakla\u015f\u0131k 200-250 \u0130stanbullu gelmi\u015f olmal\u0131, fakat onlar\u0131n aras\u0131nda da Sasunlular oldu\u011funu belirtmek gerek. Bizden \u00f6nce veya sonra gelenler de var, b\u00f6ylece, Sasunlular\u0131n grubunda 300\u2019\u00fcn \u00fczerinde insan oldu\u011funu s\u00f6yleyebiliriz.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Haygazun Alv\u0131rtsyan \u2013 S<\/strong>asunlular\u0131n grubu Panarmenian oyunlar\u0131na ilk defa kat\u0131l\u0131yor galiba, de\u011fil mi?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Sarkis Seropyan \u2013 <\/strong>Evet, Sasunlular oyunlara ilk defa kat\u0131l\u0131yor. Sasunlular Derne\u011fi\u2019nin de daha yeni kurulmu\u015f oldu\u011funu belirtmek gerekir.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Haygazun Alv\u0131rtsyan \u2013 <\/strong>Bu dernekle ilgili \u201cAkunq\u201d\u00a0 okurlar\u0131na biraz bilgi verir misiniz?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Sarkis Seropyan \u2013 <\/strong>Bu dernekten \u00f6nce Sasunlular\u0131n bir derne\u011fi vard\u0131 zaten.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Besse Kabak \u2013 <\/strong>\u0130lk ba\u015fta K\u00fcrtlerin kurdu\u011fu bir Sasunlular Derne\u011fi vard\u0131. Bizlerden bir k\u0131s\u0131m din de\u011fi\u015ftirmi\u015ftir, onlar da etkinliklerimize kat\u0131l\u0131yorlar, b\u00f6ylece ba\u011f kurulmu\u015f oluyor. Ba\u015fta Herentliler dernek kurdu (Hirinde K\u00f6y\u00fc, bug\u00fcnk\u00fc ismi Acar). Bu k\u00f6y\u00fcn muhtar\u0131 olan \u0130sro Demirci birka\u00e7 y\u0131l \u00f6nce \u00f6ld\u00fc, y\u00fcz ya\u015f\u0131n\u0131 ge\u00e7mi\u015fti. Birka\u00e7 y\u0131l \u00f6nce \u0130stanbul\u2019a gelmi\u015fti ve \u201cAgos\u201dta kendisiyle r\u00f6portaj yapm\u0131\u015ft\u0131k. Bu adam \u0130slamla\u015fm\u0131\u015ft\u0131, orada ya\u015f\u0131yordu ve herkes \u0130sro day\u0131n\u0131n Ermeni oldu\u011funun bilirdi. Ermeni oldu\u011funu saklam\u0131yordu, fakat kimli\u011findeki din hanesinde \u0130slam yaz\u0131l\u0131yd\u0131.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Haygazun Alv\u0131rtsyan &#8211; <\/strong>\u00a0Yeni kurulan bu derne\u011fin ad\u0131 ne?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Besse Kabak \u2013 <\/strong>Sasmut, yani Sasunlular ve Mutkililer.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Haygazun Alv\u0131rtsyan \u2013 <\/strong>Besse, siz bu derne\u011fe \u00fcye misiniz?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Besse Kabak \u2013 <\/strong>Hay\u0131r, \u00fcye de\u011filim, \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc sadece ismini yazd\u0131rmakla olmaz, ya \u00e7al\u0131\u015facaks\u0131n, ya da de\u011fil. \u00c7al\u0131\u015fmak i\u00e7in ise derne\u011fe \u00fcye olmak gerekti\u011fini zannetmiyorum. Benim yakla\u015f\u0131m\u0131m b\u00f6yle.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Panarmenian oyunlar\u0131 \u00e7ok \u00f6nemli bu dernek i\u00e7in. Dernek \u00fcyeleri, gen\u00e7lerin mutlaka Ermenistan\u2019\u0131 g\u00f6rmeleri gerekti\u011fini d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnd\u00fcler, bu ise \u00e7ok iyi bir f\u0131rsat. 10 y\u0131l \u00f6nce baz\u0131 \u015feyler farkl\u0131yd\u0131\u2026 Gen\u00e7lerin gelip g\u00f6rmesi gerekiyor. Gen\u00e7lerin kimliklerini koruyabilmesi i\u00e7in Ermenistan ziyaretleri \u00e7ok \u00f6nemlidir. Panarmenian oyunlar\u0131 bu a\u00e7\u0131dan \u00e7ok \u00f6nemlidir. Gen\u00e7ler gelip g\u00f6rs\u00fcnler Ermenistan\u2019\u0131. herkes gelip g\u00f6rs\u00fcn Ermenistan\u2019\u0131. ya\u015fl\u0131lar\u0131 da getirmemiz laz\u0131m. Heyetimizde 70\u2019i ge\u00e7kin biri var. Ermenistan\u2019a ilk defa geliyor. G\u00f6rd\u00fc\u011f\u00fc herkese \u201cBen Bitlisliyim, Mutki K\u00f6y\u00fc\u2019ndenim, Ermenistan\u2019a ilk defa geldim\u201d diyor. Bunu her s\u00f6yledi\u011finde de a\u011fl\u0131yor.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Haygazun Alv\u0131rtsyan \u2013 <\/strong>Sasunlular\u0131n grubunda, bug\u00fcn h\u00e2la Sasun\u2019da ya\u015fayan var m\u0131?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Besse Kabak &#8211; <\/strong>\u00a0Devaml\u0131 Sasun\u2019da ya\u015fayan yok. Hepimiz de Sasun\u2019da do\u011fmu\u015fuz, fakat s\u00fcrekli olarak Sasun\u2019da ya\u015fam\u0131yor, y\u0131l i\u00e7inde gidip geliyoruz. Sasun\u2019da ya\u015fayan birka\u00e7 aile kald\u0131.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Sarkis Seropyan \u2013 <\/strong>Yaz aylar\u0131nda 2-3 ay Sasun\u2019a gidip kalan gen\u00e7ler tan\u0131yorum.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Haygazun Alv\u0131rtsyan \u2013 <\/strong>Besse, Ermenistan\u2019da ilk defa bulunuyorsunuz, Ermenistan\u2019dan ve Panarmenian oyunlar\u0131ndan ne t\u00fcr intibalar\u0131n\u0131z var?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Besse Kabak \u2013 <\/strong>Oyunlar\u0131 bir taraf b\u0131rak\u0131rsak, \u00f6nemli olan \u015fudur, buraya geldi\u011fimde kendi kendime dahi \u201cO, nereye geldim ben b\u00f6yle\u201d demedim. Ge\u011fart\u2019a gitti\u011fimizde, buras\u0131 Sasun\u2019a benziyor dedik. \u201cNe kadar harika\u201d demiyorduk, \u201cbak, buras\u0131 sanki Sasun\u201d diyorduk. Ba\u015fka \u00fclkelerden ve \u015fehirlerden gelenler de benim gibi d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcrler, hissederler mi bilmiyorum. Sanki eskiden buraya gelmi\u015f, g\u00f6rm\u00fc\u015f ve ya\u015fam\u0131\u015f\u0131m gibi geliyor bana. \u0130\u015fte hissettiklerim. Sasun\u2019a gitmeden \u00f6nce Ermenistan\u2019a gelmi\u015f olsayd\u0131m \u201cSasun Ermenistan\u2019a benziyor\u201d derdim, fakat Sasunlu oldu\u011fumdan \u201cErmenistan Sasun\u2019a benziyor\u201d diyorum.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Bir \u015fey daha, akrabalar\u0131m Ermenistan\u2019a gelece\u011fimi duyduklar\u0131nda \u201ck\u0131z nas\u0131l oldu, bu denli vatansever olarak Ermenistan\u2019a nas\u0131l gitmemi\u015ftin?\u201d dediler. Sasun\u2019a giderek \u00f6zlem gideriyorum, bu y\u00fczden de fazla \u00f6zlemiyordum, \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc \u00f6zlemimi do\u011fum yerimde, Sasun\u2019da gideriyordum. Ermenistan\u2019a gelip, kalan \u00f6zlemimi de giderdim.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Sarkis Seropyan \u2013 <\/strong>Bu y\u00fczden de fazla beklentileri yok, l\u00fcks daireler istemezler, hatta toprak daml\u0131 evlerde de kal\u0131rlar.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Besse Kabak \u2013 <\/strong>Maratuk\u2019a gitti\u011fimizde \u00e7ad\u0131rlarda kal\u0131yoruz. \u00d6nemli olan Maratuk\u2019ta olmam\u0131z, geri kalan teferruatt\u0131r.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Haygazun Alv\u0131rtsyan \u2013 Panarmenian oyunlar\u0131na kat\u0131lan \u0130stanbul heyeti ve \u00f6zellikle oyunlara ilk defa olarak kat\u0131lan Sasun Derne\u011fi\u2019yle ilgili bilgiler vermenizi rica ediyorum. Nas\u0131l geldiniz, ne gibi intibalar edindiniz ve oyunlar nas\u0131l ge\u00e7iyor? Sarkis Seropyan \u2013 Sasunlular\u0131n grubunu buraya getirme fikri, ismi Ermenicede Yeprem olarak telaffuz edilen Bitlisli Efrim Ba\u011f\u2019a aittir. 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