{"id":71590,"date":"2022-12-19T02:09:36","date_gmt":"2022-12-19T07:09:36","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?p=71590"},"modified":"2022-12-19T02:09:36","modified_gmt":"2022-12-19T07:09:36","slug":"alevilestirilmis-ermeniler-konusuyor","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?p=71590","title":{"rendered":"Alevile\u015f(tiril)mi\u015f Ermeniler konu\u015fuyor"},"content":{"rendered":"

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Yetvart Danzikyan<\/a> <\/strong><\/p>\n

Yap\u0131mc\u0131 ve yazar<\/strong> Kaz\u0131m G\u00fcndo\u011fan\u2019\u0131n \u201cAlevile\u015f(tiril)mi\u015f Ermeniler\u201d kitab\u0131 Ayr\u0131nt\u0131 Yay\u0131nlar\u0131\u2019ndan \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131. \u201cDersim\u2019in Kay\u0131p K\u0131zlar\u0131\u201d belgeselinden de tan\u0131d\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z Kaz\u0131m G\u00fcndo\u011fan ile yeni kitab\u0131 \u00fczerine konu\u015ftuk.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

Kitab\u0131n\u0131z i\u00e7in Alevile\u015f(tiril)mi\u015f Ermeniler ba\u015fl<\/strong>\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 kulland\u0131n\u0131z. Neden b\u00f6yle bir ba\u015fl\u0131k se\u00e7tiniz? Ermenilerin Alevile\u015fme hikayelerindeki farkl\u0131l\u0131klar\u0131 m\u0131 yans\u0131t\u0131yor?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Bir kitab\u0131n ismi esas olarak onun i\u00e7eri\u011fini ve ruhunu yans\u0131tt\u0131\u011f\u0131 gibi, yazar\u0131n da\u00a0 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcncelerini i\u00e7erir.\u00a0 G\u00f6\u00e7 etmem nedeniyle yakla\u015f\u0131k on y\u0131l s\u00fcren ara\u015ft\u0131rmada 90 ki\u015fiyle r\u00f6portaj yapt\u0131m. Onlar\u0131 dinledim, yok edildikleri ve ya\u015fad\u0131klar\u0131 yerleri g\u00f6rd\u00fcm, dokundum, hissettim. Elbette t\u00fcm bunlar\u0131n toplam\u0131 tek ba\u015f\u0131na b\u00f6yle bir isimlendirme i\u00e7in belki yeterince a\u00e7\u0131klay\u0131c\u0131 olmayabilir. Ancak soyk\u0131r\u0131mlar tarihini ve literat\u00fcr\u00fcn\u00fc biraz bilenler bu ismin neyi i\u00e7erdi\u011fini ve anlatt\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131\u00a0 kolayca anlayabilir.
\nKitap hen\u00fcz okunmadan, kitab\u0131n isminden hareketle hararetli tart\u0131\u015fmalar oldu, ele\u015ftiriler ve itirazlar yap\u0131ld\u0131. Okunmam\u0131\u015f bir kitap hakk\u0131nda bu kadar ele\u015ftiri ve itiraz\u0131n nedenini tam olarak anlayabilmi\u015f de\u011filim..! Zira ortalama T\u00fcrk\u00e7e dil bilgisine sahip\u00a0 ve \u00f6nyarg\u0131dan uzak her\u00a0 insan \u201cAlevile\u015f(tiril)mi\u015f\u201d kavram\u0131n\u0131n\u00a0 iki anlam i\u00e7erdi\u011fini bilir diye d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorum. Ama ben yine de \u00f6zet olarak a\u00e7\u0131klamak isterim;<\/p>\n

Birincisi Alevile\u015ftirilmi\u015f, ikincisi Alevile\u015fmi\u015f. Bu iki kavram\u0131n (tiril) ile bir arada kullan\u0131lmas\u0131, bir yaz\u0131m y\u00f6ntemidir\u2026 En az\u0131ndan ben b\u00f6yle bir d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnceyle yazd\u0131m.\u00a0 Bu kavramlar\u0131n birincisinde do\u011frudan fiziksel \u015fiddet, ikincisinde mecburiyet vard\u0131r.<\/p>\n

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Peki fiziksel \u015fiddeti kim uygulad\u0131? Bizi ve\u00a0 \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131m\u0131z\u0131 takip edenler, bununla gerek Osmanl\u0131, gerekse Cumhuriyetin ger\u00e7ekle\u015ftirdi\u011fi soyk\u0131r\u0131mlar\u0131 anlatt\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z\u0131 bilirler. Fiziksel \u015fiddet ile yok edilmi\u015f,\u00a0 tarihi, k\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fc, dili, inanc\u0131, m\u00fclk\u00fc talan edilmi\u015f bir toplumun geride kalan bireyleri veya k\u00fc\u00e7\u00fck topluluklar\u0131, ya\u015fayabilmek i\u00e7in bulunduklar\u0131 yerlerde\u00a0 kal\u0131r ve asimilasyon s\u00fcreci ya\u015farlar. Konu \u00f6zg\u00fcl\u00fcnde etkin olan grup M\u00fcsl\u00fcman ise M\u00fcsl\u00fcman, Alevi ise Alevi olmak zorundad\u0131rlar\u2026 (Zira Tertele\/Soyk\u0131r\u0131m sadece bir fiziksel \u015fiddet ile ba\u015flay\u0131p biten bir durum de\u011fildir; \u00e7ok de\u011fi\u015fik boyutlar\u0131 olan bir s\u00fcre\u00e7tir.)\u00a0 Nitekim M\u00fcsl\u00fcmanlar\u0131n etkin\/egemen oldu\u011fu K\u00fcrt ve T\u00fcrk \u015fehirlerinde \u201cM\u00fcsl\u00fcmanla\u015f(t\u0131r\u0131l)m\u0131\u015f Ermeniler\u201d oldu\u011funu, yap\u0131lan pek \u00e7ok akademik ara\u015ft\u0131rma ve konferanslardan biliyoruz.<\/p>\n

Kitapta yer alan H\u0131d\u0131r ve Kayre Aslanpen\u00e7esi \u00f6yk\u00fcs\u00fc buna \u00e7arp\u0131c\u0131 bir \u00f6rnektir. Mazgirt\u2019e ba\u011fl\u0131 Danaburan K\u00f6y\u00fc\u2019nde\u00a0 M\u00fcsl\u00fcman T\u00fcrk Beyleri ya\u015fad\u0131\u011f\u0131 i\u00e7in burada kalm\u0131\u015f Ermeniler M\u00fcsl\u00fcmanla\u015f(t\u0131r\u0131l)m\u0131\u015ft\u0131r ve H\u0131d\u0131r Aslanpen\u00e7esi kendini M\u00fcsl\u00fcman Ermeni olarak tan\u0131mlamaktad\u0131r. 4-5 km yukar\u0131daki Sorda, Xozinkig k\u00f6ylerinde ise\u00a0 Aleviler ya\u015famaktad\u0131r. Bu k\u00f6ylerdekiler de Alevile\u015f(tiril)mi\u015ftir.\u00a0 Kayre Aslanpen\u00e7esi kendini Alevi Ermeni olarak tan\u0131mlamaktad\u0131r.<\/p>\n

Kitab\u0131n isminde fiziksel \u015fiddeti\/zoru ifade eden\u00a0 (tiril)me, Alevi Dersim\u00a0 toplumunun de\u011fil, devletin do\u011frudan rol\u00fcn\u00fc anlatmaktad\u0131r.<\/p>\n

Soyk\u0131r\u0131mlar tarihini inceledi\u011fimizde soyk\u0131r\u0131mlar\u0131n esas olarak devletler veya di\u011fer \u015fiddet organizasyonlar\u0131 taraf\u0131ndan yap\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 g\u00f6rmekteyiz.\u00a0 Ancak toplumlar\u0131n da\u00a0 soyk\u0131r\u0131mlara do\u011frudan veya\u00a0 dolayl\u0131 olarak dahil oldu\u011fu, edildi\u011fi bilinen bir ger\u00e7ek. Di\u011fer bilinen ger\u00e7ek ise; hi\u00e7bir toplum (Alman toplumunun \u00f6zg\u00fcn \u00e7abas\u0131n\u0131 saymazsak) bunu kabul etmek istemez. Zira her toplum \u0131rk\u0131\/milleti, dini\/inanc\u0131 vb. nedeniyle kendini di\u011fer b\u00fct\u00fcn toplumlardan ayr\u0131, \u00fcst\u00fcn, bar\u0131\u015f\u00e7\u0131l, h\u00fcmanist vs. g\u00f6r\u00fcr. Kendini b\u00f6yle g\u00f6rd\u00fc\u011f\u00fc oranda di\u011fer toplumlar\u0131 da bu nitelemelerin kar\u015f\u0131t\u0131 g\u00f6r\u00fcr ve onlar\u0131 k\u00f6t\u00fcl\u00fc\u011f\u00fcn, nefretin objesi haline getirir veya g\u00f6stermeye \u00e7al\u0131\u015farak \u00f6tekile\u015ftirir.<\/p>\n

Peki, mecburiyet nereden gelir? Korkudan,\u00a0 kendini gizleme ve sadece ya\u015fama g\u00fcd\u00fcs\u00fcnden gelir. \u015eiddet ve mecburiyetin oldu\u011fu yerde g\u00f6n\u00fcll\u00fcl\u00fckten bahsedilemez\u2026 (Elbette normal ko\u015fullarda insanlar g\u00f6n\u00fcll\u00fc olarak inanc\u0131n\u0131, dinini\u00a0 de\u011fi\u015ftirebilirler.) Fiziksel soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131n ya\u015fand\u0131\u011f\u0131 ve k\u00fclt\u00fcrel soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131n\u00a0 s\u00fcrmekte oldu\u011fu bir co\u011frafyada g\u00f6n\u00fcll\u00fcl\u00fckten bahsetmek soyk\u0131r\u0131m ger\u00e7e\u011fini ve sonu\u00e7lar\u0131n\u0131 g\u00f6rmezden gelmek\u00a0 hatta onu normalle\u015ftirmeye \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmakt\u0131r.<\/p>\n

Dolay\u0131s\u0131yla bu ko\u015fullarda Ermeniler g\u00f6n\u00fcll\u00fc de\u011fil, mecburen Alevile\u015fmek zorunda kald\u0131lar. Zira dini \u00f6nderleri yok edildi. \u0130nan\u00e7lar\u0131n\u0131 s\u00fcrd\u00fcrecek kiliseleri, manast\u0131rlar\u0131 devlet taraf\u0131ndan yak\u0131l\u0131p,\u00a0 y\u0131k\u0131ld\u0131. Geride kalan kilise ve manast\u0131rlar da y\u00f6re halk\u0131 taraf\u0131ndan korunmad\u0131, tam tersine kilise ta\u015flar\u0131 baz\u0131lar\u0131 taraf\u0131ndan\u00a0 evlerin ve okullar\u0131n in\u015faat\u0131nda kullan\u0131ld\u0131. \u00d6yle ki Dersim\u2019in baz\u0131 b\u00f6lgelerinde\u00a0 Ermeniler\u2019den bahsedilince akla gelen ilk \u015feyin,\u00a0 \u201cErmeni Alt\u0131n\u0131\u201d olmas\u0131 bu durumu anlatmaktad\u0131r. Ve bu alt\u0131nlar\u0131 bulmak ve sahip olmak i\u00e7in neredeyse kaz\u0131lmad\u0131k kilise, manast\u0131r y\u0131k\u0131nt\u0131s\u0131, Ermeni mezar\u0131 b\u0131rak\u0131lmad\u0131.
\nAyr\u0131ca en \u00f6nemli dayanak noktalar\u0131 olan\u00a0 m\u00fclklerini kaybettiler;\u00a0 baz\u0131 a\u015firetler ve aileler\u00a0 m\u00fclklerin\u00a0 \u00f6nemli k\u0131sm\u0131na\u00a0 el koydu. Bu durumu, \u201cBiz sahibi oldu\u011fumuz topraklar\u0131n marabas\u0131 olduk,\u201d diyen insan\u0131n bu c\u00fcmlesi son derece rafine bi\u00e7imde \u00f6zetlemektedir.
\nB\u00f6ylesi siyasi, ekonomik, sosyal, k\u00fclt\u00fcrel ko\u015fullarda Alevilerin i\u00e7inde olanlar mecburen Alevile\u015fmi\u015f, M\u00fcsl\u00fcmanlar\u0131n i\u00e7inde olanlar mecburen M\u00fcsl\u00fcmanla\u015fm\u0131\u015ft\u0131r.<\/p>\n

Nitekim Alevile\u015f(tiril)mi\u015f veya M\u00fcsl\u00fcmanla\u015f(t\u0131r\u0131l)m\u0131\u015f Ermeniler \u0130stanbul, Avrupa gibi kilise ve cemaatlerinin oldu\u011fu yere g\u00f6\u00e7 edince ve mecburiyet ortadan kalk\u0131nca \u00e7o\u011funlukla yeniden kendi dinine ge\u00e7meyi tercih etmi\u015flerdir.
\nAnlatmaya \u00e7al\u0131\u015ft\u0131\u011f\u0131m;\u00a0 soyk\u0131r\u0131mlar s\u00fcrecinde devletin rol\u00fc ve toplumsal ger\u00e7ekler \u0131\u015f\u0131\u011f\u0131nda kitab\u0131n ismi de, \u201cAlevile\u015f(tiril)mi\u015f Ermeniler- Biz \u0130sa\u2019ya Tabiyiz, Ali\u2019ye Mecburuz\u201d bi\u00e7iminde belirlenmi\u015f oldu.<\/p>\n

Kitapta kimlerle g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015ft\u00fcn\u00fcz? San\u0131yorum farkl\u0131 \u00fclkelerden g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmecileriniz var..<\/strong><\/p>\n

Bu \u00e7al\u0131\u015fma kapsam\u0131nda \u00f6nemli bir k\u0131sm\u0131 bug\u00fcn hala Dersim\u2019de ya\u015fayanlar\u00a0 olmak \u00fczere; \u0130stanbul, Fransa, Almanya, L\u00fcbnan, Avustralya\u00a0 ve Amerika\u2019ya g\u00f6\u00e7 etmi\u015f Dersimli Ermenilerle g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015ft\u00fcm. Bunlar\u0131n neredeyse hepsinin ortak \u00f6zellikleri Ermeni etnik kimliklerine ve Dersimlilik kimliklerine sahip \u00e7\u0131kmalar\u0131d\u0131r. Fakat inan\u00e7 bak\u0131m\u0131ndan kendilerini\u00a0 Alevi, H\u0131ristiyan, Ateist ve M\u00fcsl\u00fcman (az say\u0131da)\u00a0 olarak\u00a0 tan\u0131mlamaktad\u0131rlar.<\/p>\n

\"Kaz\u0131m<\/p>\n

Kaz\u0131m G\u00fcndo\u011fan<\/em><\/p>\n

Kitap \u00fc\u00e7 b\u00f6l\u00fcmden olu\u015ftu. Birinci b\u00f6l\u00fcm; Alevile\u015f(tiril)mi\u015f Ermeniler. Bu b\u00f6l\u00fcmde 72\u00a0 Dersimli Ermeninin \u00f6yk\u00fcs\u00fc yer almakta. \u0130kinci b\u00f6l\u00fcm; Dersimli Alevilerin Ermeni Belle\u011fi ba\u015fl\u0131\u011f\u0131yla olu\u015fturuldu. Bu b\u00f6l\u00fcmde 12 Alevi kanaat \u00f6nderinin, kom\u015fular\u0131 hakk\u0131ndaki an\u0131lar\u0131, g\u00f6zlemleri anlat\u0131lmakta. B\u00f6ylelikle kitapta toplam 84 ki\u015finin \u00f6yk\u00fcs\u00fcne\u00a0 yer vermi\u015f oldum. \u00dc\u00e7\u00fcnc\u00fc b\u00f6l\u00fcmde ise; \u20181915 \u00d6ncesi Dersim\u2019de Ermeni Yerle\u015fimi ve N\u00fcfusu\u2019 ba\u015fl\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 ta\u015f\u0131yan bir belgeye yer vererek\u00a0 tart\u0131\u015fma ve ara\u015ft\u0131rmalara katk\u0131da bulunsun istedim.<\/p>\n

Dersimli Ermeniler hakk\u0131nda g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015flerine ba\u015fvurdu\u011fum ve kitapta yer verdi\u011fim ki\u015filerden biri de Agos Gazetesi yazarlar\u0131ndan Sarkis Seropyan\u2019d\u0131r.\u00a0 Sarkis Ahparik\u2019i bu vesileyle sayg\u0131 ve \u00f6zlemle an\u0131yorum.<\/p>\n

Dersim \u00f6zelinde Alevilerin asl\u0131nda b\u00fcy\u00fck oranda Ermeni oldu\u011fu y\u00f6n\u00fcnde devletten gelen ve su\u00e7lay\u0131c\u0131 arg\u00fcmanlar olmu\u015ftu yak\u0131n zamanda. Bu arg\u00fcman\u0131 ilgin\u00e7 bi\u00e7imde ba\u015fka kesimler de dile getirdi. Ancak ger\u00e7ek durum san\u0131yorum ki b\u00f6yle de\u011fil ve daha karma\u015f\u0131k, de\u011fil mi?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u00c7ok hakl\u0131s\u0131n\u0131z; ger\u00e7ek durum b\u00f6yle de\u011fil.\u00a0 Soyk\u0131r\u0131mlara u\u011fram\u0131\u015f ve s\u00fcrekli \u201c\u00f6teki\u201d g\u00f6r\u00fclen toplumlara dair devletler, kirli politikalar\u0131n\u0131 sistemli olarak devam ettirirler. O toplumlar\u0131n kendi ger\u00e7ek tarihleriyle, kimlikleriyle ve bunlar\u0131n sembolleriyle bulu\u015fmas\u0131na ve yeniden kimlik in\u015fa etmelerine olanak tan\u0131mak istemezler. Bu nedenle devletlerin ideolojik ayg\u0131tlar\u0131 sistemli olarak ger\u00e7ekleri \u00e7arp\u0131t\u0131r, yalan \u00fcretir ve bu yalan\u0131 pek \u00e7ok etkili ara\u00e7la topluma empoze etmeye \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131r. Bu ama\u00e7la \u00fcretilen kirli fikirlerle toplumlar zehirlenir. T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de de bu olmu\u015ftur.<\/p>\n

Sorunuza gelirsek; birincisi, \u0131rk\u00e7\u0131l\u0131ktan zehirlenmi\u015f resmi tarih tezinin savunucular\u0131, biriktirdikleri Ermeni nefretini Dersim Alevilerinin \u00fczerine boca ederek Alevilere y\u00f6nelik nefreti g\u00fcncel tutmak istemektedirler. T\u00fcrk Tarih Kurumu Ba\u015fkanl\u0131\u011f\u0131 da yapm\u0131\u015f olan Hala\u00e7o\u011flu\u2019nun s\u00f6zkonusu s\u00f6ylemi b\u00f6yle bir\u00a0 zehirlenme ve nefretin \u00fcr\u00fcn\u00fcd\u00fcr.<\/p>\n

\u0130kincisi; d\u00f6nemin Ermeni Patrik Vekili Ate\u015fyan\u2019\u0131n bu paraleldeki s\u00f6ylemiydi. Soyk\u0131r\u0131m ya\u015fam\u0131\u015f toplumlar her yerde bir k\u00f6ke ihtiya\u00e7 duyar ve bunu\u00a0 arar. Say\u0131n Ate\u015fyan\u2019\u0131n Hala\u00e7o\u011flu\u2019na paralel problemli a\u00e7\u0131klamalar\u0131n\u0131n nedenlerini anlamakla birlikte bunu do\u011fru bulmad\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131 defalarca belirttim.<\/p>\n

\"Dersim<\/em><\/p>\n

Dersim Ergan (Ergen) Kilisesi<\/em><\/p>\n

Elbette birarada ya\u015fayan toplumlar \u00e7e\u015fitli tarihsel d\u00f6nemlerde ve \u00e7ok farkl\u0131 nedenlerle kar\u0131\u015fabilir, ba\u015fka toplumlara dahil olabilir. Ancak s\u00f6z\u00fc edilen oranlar ve ileri s\u00fcr\u00fclme bi\u00e7imiyle bunun son derece problemli oldu\u011funu d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorum.
\nBu her iki a\u00e7\u0131klama da hakl\u0131 olarak Dersimliler taraf\u0131ndan tepkiyle kar\u015f\u0131land\u0131.<\/p>\n

Yine de 1915\u2019te Dersim\u2019e s\u0131\u011f\u0131nan ya da g\u00f6\u00e7 eden Ermeniler olmu\u015ftu. Bu Ermeniler bir de 1938\u2019de s\u00fcrg\u00fcn edildi. \u0130ki b\u00fcy\u00fck trajediden bahsedebilir miyiz, bu gruplar i\u00e7in?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Evet bahsedebiliriz. Zira Dersimli Ermeniler iki tertele\/soyk\u0131r\u0131m ya\u015fam\u0131\u015f ve bu soyk\u0131r\u0131mlar\u0131n travmas\u0131yla ya\u015fayan bir toplum. Dersimliler 1915 Ermeni soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131na \u201cTertele u veren\u201d (\u00f6nceki tertele), 1937\/38 Dersim soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131na da \u201cTertele u peen\u201d (sonraki tertele) demekteler. Ve bu her iki tertelenin travmas\u0131, ku\u015faktan ku\u015fa\u011fa aktar\u0131larak bir toplumsal bele\u011fe d\u00f6n\u00fc\u015fm\u00fc\u015f durumda.<\/p>\n

Yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131m g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmelerde birinci tertelenin ac\u0131lar\u0131n\u0131 anne\/babalar\u0131 ve nene\/dedelerinden miras olarak ta\u015f\u0131yan \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcnc\u00fc, d\u00f6rd\u00fcnc\u00fc ku\u015faktan insanlar\u0131n yan\u0131 s\u0131ra; ikinci tertelenin ac\u0131lar\u0131n\u0131 ta\u015f\u0131yan ikinci \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcnc\u00fc ku\u015fak var\u2026 Baz\u0131lar\u0131 ikinci tertelenin do\u011frudan tan\u0131klar\u0131.<\/p>\n

Burada \u00f6nemli bir noktaya vurgu yapmak isterim. Dersimli Ermenilerden bahsedilince baz\u0131lar\u0131 bunu sadece 1915 soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131nda gelip oraya s\u0131\u011f\u0131nanlar olarak alg\u0131l\u0131yor veya anlatmak istiyor. Evet soyk\u0131r\u0131m s\u00fcrecinde\u00a0 \u00e7evre illerden Dersim\u2019e s\u0131\u011f\u0131nanlar oluyor ve Dersimli a\u015firetlerin\u00a0 \u00f6nemli bir k\u0131sm\u0131 bunlar\u0131 korumu\u015ftur. Bu takdir edilecek bir durum. Ancak baz\u0131 Dersimli a\u015firetler de katliama do\u011frudan kat\u0131l\u0131p talan ve soygun yaparak k\u00f6t\u00fcl\u00fc\u011f\u00fcn ve utanc\u0131n \u00f6zneleri olmu\u015flard\u0131r.<\/p>\n

Dersim toplumundan bahsederken onu homojen ve kolektif iradesi olan bir yap\u0131 olarak ele al\u0131rsak b\u00fcy\u00fck bir yan\u0131lg\u0131 ya\u015far\u0131z. Dolay\u0131s\u0131yla feodal a\u015firet ili\u015fkilerinin egemen oldu\u011fu ve \u00e7eli\u015fkilerinin sert ya\u015fand\u0131\u011f\u0131\u00a0 bir toplumun homojen olamayaca\u011f\u0131 ger\u00e7e\u011finden hareketle, onun olumlu veya olumsuz her davran\u0131\u015f\u0131n\u0131 da kolektif akl\u0131n \u00fcr\u00fcn\u00fcym\u00fc\u015f gibi de\u011ferlendirmek do\u011fru bir yakla\u015f\u0131m olmaz. Ne birka\u00e7 a\u015firetin olumsuz tutumu nedeniyle bir toplum olumsuz, ne de baz\u0131 a\u015firetlerin olumlu tutumu nedeniyle bir toplum b\u00fct\u00fcnl\u00fckl\u00fc olarak temiz g\u00f6sterilebilir.<\/p>\n

\u00d6te yandan, 1915 tertelesinde Dersim\u2019e s\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131p oradan ba\u015fka yerlere ge\u00e7en\u00a0 Ermeniler\u2019in yan\u0131 s\u0131ra orada y\u00fczy\u0131llard\u0131r ya\u015fayan Dersim\u2019in yerli Ermeni halk\u0131 vard\u0131. Bunlar\u0131n da b\u00fcy\u00fck bir k\u0131sm\u0131 k\u0131r\u0131ld\u0131 ve s\u00fcr\u00fcld\u00fc\u2026 Geride kalanlar\u0131n bir k\u0131sm\u0131\u00a0 peyderpey g\u00f6\u00e7 etti ve di\u011fer k\u0131sm\u0131 da esas olarak asimile oldular.<\/p>\n

\u015eu ya da bu nedenle Alevile\u015fmi\u015f ancak Ermeni k\u00f6klerini bilenlerden baz\u0131lar\u0131 art\u0131k Alevi kimli\u011fiyle\u00a0 bar\u0131\u015f\u0131k bi\u00e7imde ya\u015famay\u0131 se\u00e7mi\u015f. Kimileri ise k\u00f6klerini ke\u015ffettikten sonra Ermeni kimli\u011fine geri d\u00f6n\u00fcyor. Peki kimlik karma\u015fas\u0131 ya\u015fayanlar da var m\u0131?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Alevi kimli\u011fini benimsemi\u015f, Alevi ocaklar\u0131na tabi olmu\u015f Ermeniler esas olarak kendi etnik kimliklerini biliyor ve bunun fark\u0131ndalar.\u00a0 Biraz sitemkar bi\u00e7imde \u201cBiz bilmesek bile Dersimli Aleviler (Laze Hermeni, Cena Hermeni \/ Ermeni o\u011flu, Ermeni K\u0131z\u0131) bunu bize \u00e7e\u015fitli vesilelerle hat\u0131rlat\u0131yor.\u201d diyorlar. Yani herkes herkesi biliyor.<\/p>\n

Kendini Alevi Ermeni\u00a0 olarak tan\u0131mlamaktan ve bunu savunmaktan \u00e7ekinmiyorlar. Bu kimlik tan\u0131mlamas\u0131na\u00a0 \u00e7o\u011fu zaman H\u0131ristiyan Ermeniler\u2019den tepki ve ele\u015ftiri geliyor. \u2018Ermeniysen H\u0131ristiyans\u0131n ve\u00a0 Ermenin ba\u015fka inanc\u0131 olmaz\u2019 ele\u015ftirisi. Buna kar\u015f\u0131 kimli\u011fini son derece bilin\u00e7lice savunanlar \u015f\u00f6yle yan\u0131tl\u0131yor ele\u015ftiriyi: \u201cErmenilik bir \u0131rk, H\u0131ristiyanl\u0131k ise bir din. Irk\u0131m\u0131 se\u00e7emem ancak dinimi se\u00e7ebilirim. Etnik kimli\u011fi T\u00fcrk olan biri\u00a0 nas\u0131l inan\u00e7 olarak M\u00fcsl\u00fcman, Alevi, H\u0131ristiyan hatta Ateist\u00a0 olabiliyorsa, bir Ermeni de Alevi, M\u00fcsl\u00fcman, H\u0131ristiyan veya Ateist olabilir.\u201d<\/p>\n

\u201cBiz bir kere d\u00f6nd\u00fck, bir daha d\u00f6nmeyiz\u201d diyerek ya\u015fam\u0131n\u0131 s\u00fcrd\u00fcrmeye \u00e7al\u0131\u015fanlar\u0131n yan\u0131 s\u0131ra\u00a0 \u201cBana ait olmayan bir kimlikti Alevilik, anne\/babam mecburen s\u00fcrd\u00fcrd\u00fc. Ama benim i\u00e7in mecburiyet yok. Ben Erivan\u2019a gidip vaftiz oldum, s\u00fcrekli kiliseye gitmesem de\u00a0 bununla da huzur buldum\u201d diyenler de var.\u00a0 Alevi olarak kalmak isteyen anne\/babalar \u00e7ocuklar\u0131n\u0131n ve torunlar\u0131n\u0131n H\u0131ristiyan kimli\u011fine do\u011fru yolculu\u011fu normal kar\u015f\u0131lamakta, bazen onlara e\u015flik etmekteler. Son 15 y\u0131l i\u00e7inde H\u0131ristiyan Ermeni kimli\u011fine yolculu\u011fa \u00e7\u0131kanlar\u0131n say\u0131s\u0131 artt\u0131 ve bunlar\u0131n \u00f6yk\u00fcleri de kitapta yer al\u0131yor.<\/p>\n

\"FOTO:<\/em><\/p>\n

FOTO: Garo Olgar Boyac\u0131yan<\/em><\/p>\n

Bu arada Alevi Ermenilerin k\u00fc\u00e7\u00fcmsenmeyecek bir oran\u0131 da Ateist olduklar\u0131n\u0131, Ermeni kimli\u011finin \u00f6nemli oldu\u011funu, ancak dinin kendileri i\u00e7in bir \u015fey ifade etmedi\u011fini\u00a0 s\u00f6ylemekte. Bu da kimlik in\u015fas\u0131nda ba\u015fka bir\u00a0 yakla\u015f\u0131m.<\/p>\n

Kimlik aray\u0131\u015f\u0131 ve in\u015fas\u0131 s\u00fcrecinin en b\u00fcy\u00fck s\u0131k\u0131nt\u0131 ya\u015fayanlar\u0131 hi\u00e7 \u015f\u00fcphesiz ki kendini tam olarak bir\u00a0 kimli\u011fe ait hissetmeyenlerdir. Onlar\u00a0 ciddi bir bo\u015fluk ve huzursuzlu\u011fun i\u00e7indeler. \u201cBen kimim\u201d sorusuna net olarak yan\u0131t bulamam\u0131\u015f, bulsa bile sosyal ve k\u00fclt\u00fcrel uyum sa\u011flayamam\u0131\u015f ki\u015filer b\u00fcy\u00fck s\u0131k\u0131nt\u0131lar ya\u015famaktalar. Durumlar\u0131n\u0131 s\u00f6yle ifade etmekteler:\u00a0 \u201cT\u00fcrkler bize Ermeni, Ermeniler bize K\u00fcrt, Alevi diyor. Yani herkes bize bir \u015fey diyor ancak biz kim oldu\u011fumuzu tam olarak bilmiyoruz; \u00fc\u00e7 d\u00f6rt k\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fcn aras\u0131nda kalm\u0131\u015f\u0131z..!\u201d<\/p>\n

Sonu\u00e7 olarak ayn\u0131 M\u00fcsl\u00fcmanla\u015f(t\u0131r\u0131l)m\u0131\u015f Ermeniler gibi art\u0131k Alevile\u015f(tiril)mi\u015f Ermeniler diye an\u0131labilecek bir gruptan bahsedebiliyoruz de\u011fil mi?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

Sizin de bildi\u011finiz \u00fczere M\u00fcsl\u00fcmanla\u015f(t\u0131r\u0131l)m\u0131\u015f Ermeniler \u00fczerine konferanslar, ara\u015ft\u0131rmalar yap\u0131ld\u0131. Ayr\u0131ca Alevile\u015fmi\u015f Ermeniler \u00fczerine \u00e7ok olmasa da haberler yap\u0131ld\u0131, makaleler yaz\u0131ld\u0131. San\u0131r\u0131m Alevile\u015f(tiril)mi\u015f Ermeniler konusu bildi\u011fim kadar\u0131yla ilk kez bu kapsamda\u00a0 ele al\u0131nd\u0131 ve kavramsalla\u015ft\u0131r\u0131ld\u0131. Kavramsalla\u015ft\u0131rma; fikir \u00fcretmenin ve haf\u0131zay\u0131 \u00f6rmenin en \u00f6nemli yap\u0131 ta\u015f\u0131d\u0131r. T\u0131pk\u0131 \u2018Dersim\u2019in Kay\u0131p K\u0131zlar\u0131\u2019 gibi. Daha \u00f6nce tek t\u00fck kay\u0131p k\u0131z \u00f6yk\u00fcleri bilinir ve anlat\u0131l\u0131rd\u0131. Ancak bunun\u00a0 kavramsalla\u015ft\u0131r\u0131lmas\u0131, yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z ara\u015ft\u0131rmay\u0131 belgesellere ve kitaba d\u00f6n\u00fc\u015ft\u00fcrmemizle m\u00fcmk\u00fcn oldu\u2026<\/p>\n

Alevile\u015f(tiril)mi\u015f Ermeniler olarak an\u0131labilecek bir grup var elbet. Tabii onlar M\u00fcsl\u00fcmanla\u015f(t\u0131r\u0131l)m\u0131\u015f\u00a0 Ermeniler kadar fazla say\u0131da\u00a0 ve yayg\u0131n de\u011filler. Bug\u00fcn bir say\u0131dan bahsetmek zor.\u00a0 Ancak k\u00fc\u00e7\u00fck topluluklar\u00a0 ve aileler olarak ba\u015fta Dersim b\u00f6lgesi olmak \u00fczere de\u011fi\u015fik yerlerde ya\u015famlar\u0131n\u0131 s\u00fcrd\u00fcrd\u00fcklerini s\u00f6yleyebiliriz.<\/p>\n

\u0130nsan \u00f6yk\u00fcleri toplay\u0131p getirdim ve okurlara emanet ediyorum.\u00a0 Bu \u00f6yk\u00fclerin resmi tarihin sorgulanmas\u0131nda\u00a0 ve\u00a0 toplumsal y\u00fczle\u015fme bilincinin geli\u015fmesinde\u00a0 bir \u0131\u015f\u0131k olabilmesi i\u00e7in bir Ermeni bulun ve ona dokunun\u2026 Hem o iyile\u015fsin hem de siz\/biz\u2026<\/p>\n

https:\/\/www.agos.com.tr\/tr\/yazi\/27923\/aleviles-tiril-mis-ermeniler-konusuyor<\/a>\u00a0<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Yetvart Danzikyan Yap\u0131mc\u0131 ve yazar Kaz\u0131m G\u00fcndo\u011fan\u2019\u0131n \u201cAlevile\u015f(tiril)mi\u015f Ermeniler\u201d kitab\u0131 Ayr\u0131nt\u0131 Yay\u0131nlar\u0131\u2019ndan \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131. \u201cDersim\u2019in Kay\u0131p K\u0131zlar\u0131\u201d belgeselinden de tan\u0131d\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z Kaz\u0131m G\u00fcndo\u011fan ile yeni kitab\u0131 \u00fczerine konu\u015ftuk. Kitab\u0131n\u0131z i\u00e7in Alevile\u015f(tiril)mi\u015f Ermeniler ba\u015fl\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 kulland\u0131n\u0131z. Neden b\u00f6yle bir ba\u015fl\u0131k se\u00e7tiniz? Ermenilerin Alevile\u015fme hikayelerindeki farkl\u0131l\u0131klar\u0131 m\u0131 yans\u0131t\u0131yor? 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