{"id":71190,"date":"2022-11-16T06:27:56","date_gmt":"2022-11-16T11:27:56","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?p=71190"},"modified":"2022-11-16T06:27:56","modified_gmt":"2022-11-16T11:27:56","slug":"isaya-tabiler-aliye-mecbur-alevilestirilmis-ermeniler-100-yillik-oykulerini-anlatiyor","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?p=71190","title":{"rendered":"\u0130sa’ya tabiler, Ali’ye mecbur: Alevile\u015f(tiril)mi\u015f Ermeniler 100 y\u0131ll\u0131k \u00f6yk\u00fclerini anlat\u0131yor"},"content":{"rendered":"
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Kaz\u0131m G\u00fcndo\u011fan’\u0131n kaleminden \u00e7\u0131kan “Alevile\u015ftirilmi\u015f Ermeniler – Biz \u0130sa’ya Tabiyiz Ali’ye Mecburuz” kitab\u0131 72 Dersimli Ermeni ve 12 Dersimli Alevinin \u00f6yk\u00fclerine yer veriyor.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Kaz\u0131m G\u00fcndo\u011fan’\u0131n\u00a0“Alevile\u015ftirilmi\u015f Ermeniler – Biz \u0130sa’ya Tabiyiz Ali’ye Mecburuz”\u00a0kitab\u0131 Ayr\u0131nt\u0131 Yay\u0131nlar\u0131’ndan \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131.<\/em><\/p>\n

72 Dersimli Ermeni ve 12 Dersimli Alevinin \u00f6yk\u00fclerine yer verilen belgesel kitapta; Yusuf Hala\u00e7o\u011flu’nun y\u0131llar \u00f6nce ortaya att\u0131\u011f\u0131\u00a0“Alevi K\u00fcrtler Ermeni’dir”<\/em>\u00a0tezine bir yan\u0131t niteli\u011finde.<\/p>\n

Kitab\u0131n yazar\u0131 Ermeni halk\u0131n\u0131n, Dersim co\u011frafyas\u0131n\u0131n en eski halklar\u0131ndan biri oldu\u011funu, Alevile\u015ftirilmi\u015f Ermeniler oldu\u011funu, ancak b\u00fct\u00fcn K\u00fcrt Alevilerin Ermeni oldu\u011fu iddias\u0131n\u0131n \u0131rk\u00e7\u0131 bir yakla\u015f\u0131m oldu\u011funu s\u00f6yl\u00fcyor.<\/p>\n

\u00d6yk\u00fc dinlemeyi sever misiniz? Ben \u00e7ok severim. Fakat ya\u015fad\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z co\u011frafyada ne\u015feli, huzurlu \u00f6yk\u00fclerden \u00e7ok travmalarla dolu yaral\u0131 \u00f6yk\u00fcler var. Benim pay\u0131ma \u00e7o\u011funlukla sakl\u0131 kalm\u0131\u015f yasakl\u0131 ve yaral\u0131 \u00f6yk\u00fcler d\u00fc\u015fer; dinler, toplar, anlat\u0131r ve ta\u015f\u0131r\u0131m onlar\u0131…<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Dersim’le ilgili film ve kitaplar\u0131yla tan\u0131d\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z Kaz\u0131m G\u00fcndo\u011fan\u00a0“Alevile\u015ftirilmi\u015f Ermeniler-Biz \u0130sa’ya Tabiyiz Ali’ye Mecburuz”\u00a0<\/em>kitab\u0131na bu s\u00f6zlerle ba\u015fl\u0131yor ve bizi sahiden de aradan 100 y\u0131l\u0131 a\u015fk\u0131n zaman ge\u00e7se de hala yaras\u0131 kanayan \u00f6yk\u00fclerle bulu\u015fturuyor.<\/p>\n

\u00d6yk\u00fc dediysek, kurgu san\u0131lmas\u0131n hepsi ger\u00e7ek hepsi ya\u015fanm\u0131\u015f hepsi halen ya\u015fanan \u00f6yk\u00fcler bunlar.<\/p>\n

G\u00fcndo\u011fan, bu \u00f6yk\u00fclerin pe\u015fine d\u00fc\u015fmesini ise \u00e7ocuklu\u011funun belle\u011fiyle anlat\u0131yor:<\/p>\n

Pek \u00e7ok k\u00f6y\u00fcnde kilise kal\u0131nt\u0131s\u0131, manast\u0131r harabesi veya Ermenice isimleriyle an\u0131lan tarlalar\u0131, dereleri, tepeleri olan bir co\u011frafyada do\u011fup b\u00fcy\u00fcd\u00fcyseniz, konu a\u00e7\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131nda h\u00e2l\u00e2 anlat\u0131lan Ermeni \u00f6yk\u00fcleri dinlediyseniz, her mezar ta\u015f\u0131n\u0131n alt\u0131n\u0131, kilise duvar\u0131n\u0131n dibini, define (Ermeni alt\u0131n\u0131) bulacak diye tekrar tekrar y\u0131kan, talan edenlerden ‘define efsaneleri’ dinlediyseniz, ‘buralarda eskiden Ermeniler varm\u0131\u015f, hatta falancan\u0131n nenesi Ermeni’ymi\u015f’ \u00f6yk\u00fclerinden beslendiyseniz; i\u015finiz zordur ve iflah olmazs\u0131n\u0131z.<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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\"Alevile\u015ftirilmi\u015f<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

Resmi tarih yaz\u0131m\u0131n\u0131n esas olarak faillerin anlat\u0131m\u0131na dayand\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 s\u00f6yleyen G\u00fcndo\u011fan; bu t\u00fcrden bir tarih yaz\u0131m\u0131nda hi\u00e7bir ma\u011fdur anlat\u0131m\u0131n\u0131n olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131na dikkati \u00e7ekerek,\u00a0“Biz \u0130sa’ya Tabiyiz, Ali’ye Mecburuz”\u00a0<\/em>kitab\u0131n\u0131n bir ma\u011fdurlar tarihi oldu\u011funu \u015fu s\u00f6zlerle aktar\u0131yor:<\/p>\n

Failler uygulad\u0131klar\u0131 politika ve i\u015fledikleri su\u00e7lar\u0131 tutanaklar, raporlar, mektuplarla kay\u0131t alt\u0131na al\u0131r. Bunlar faillerin kurumsal mekanizmalar\u0131 taraf\u0131ndan ar\u015fivlenir ve y\u0131llar sonra ‘tarihsel belge’ veya ‘tarihsel ar\u015fiv’ olarak kullan\u0131ma sokulur. Devletin birer memuru gibi \u00e7al\u0131\u015fan pek \u00e7ok tarih\u00e7inin kirli ve karanl\u0131k tarihi yazmakta kulland\u0131\u011f\u0131 ‘belgeler’ \u00e7o\u011funlukla bunlardan olu\u015fmaktad\u0131r. Resm\u00ee tarih\u00e7iler asla ma\u011fdurlar\u0131n anlat\u0131mlar\u0131na ba\u015fvurmaz. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc onlar egemenin, katledenin tarihini yazmaya memur edilmi\u015ftir.<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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Kaz\u0131m G\u00fcndo\u011fan<\/em><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

Yeni kitab\u0131n\u0131n par\u00e7alanm\u0131\u015f yerel haf\u0131zay\u0131 \u00f6rerek ger\u00e7e\u011fe ula\u015fma bilinci ve y\u00fczle\u015fme k\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fcn\u00fcn de geli\u015fmesine katk\u0131 sa\u011flayaca\u011f\u0131n\u0131 umudunu belirten G\u00fcndo\u011fan; \u0131rk\u00e7\u0131-\u015foven \u00e7evrelerin hem Ermeniler hem de Alevi\/K\u0131z\u0131lba\u015flara y\u00f6nelik nefreti, azami \u00f6l\u00e7\u00fcde k\u00f6r\u00fcklemek amac\u0131yla,\u00a0“Dersimlilerin b\u00fcy\u00fck b\u00f6l\u00fcm\u00fc Ermenilikten d\u00f6nm\u00fc\u015ft\u00fcr”<\/em>\u00a0s\u00f6yleminin\u00a0hastal\u0131kl\u0131 oldu\u011funu, nefret i\u00e7erdi\u011fini s\u00f6yl\u00fcyor.<\/p>\n

G\u00fcndo\u011fan, baz\u0131 Ermenilerin de ya\u015fanan soyk\u0131r\u0131m sonucu her yerde k\u00f6k arama kayg\u0131s\u0131yla, “Dersimlilerin \u00e7o\u011fu Ermeni k\u00f6kenlidir” \u015feklindeki s\u00f6yleminin de son derece tart\u0131\u015fmal\u0131 ve problemli oldu\u011fu d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcncesindeyim” diyor.<\/p>\n

1915’te devletin yan\u0131nda yer alarak do\u011frudan soyk\u0131r\u0131ma kat\u0131lan birka\u00e7 a\u015firet olmakla birlikte, Dersimlilerin b\u00fcy\u00fck \u00e7o\u011funlu\u011funun kadim kom\u015fular\u0131 Ermenileri devlete teslim etmedikleri gibi ba\u015fka b\u00f6lgelerden kendilerine s\u0131\u011f\u0131nanlar\u0131 korudu\u011funu s\u00f6yleyen G\u00fcndo\u011fan; ama Dersimlilerin de homojen olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131na ve utan\u0131lacak \u015feylere imza att\u0131\u011f\u0131na da dikkati \u00e7ekiyor.<\/p>\n

“Aleviler \u00e7\u0131karmas\u0131n diye annemin mezar\u0131na beton d\u00f6kt\u00fcm”<\/strong><\/p>\n

G\u00fcndo\u011fan’\u0131n bahsetti\u011fi utan\u0131lacak \u00f6yk\u00fclerden biri Murat Demir’e ait.<\/p>\n

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Bebek A\u011fa’n\u0131n o\u011flu Murat Demir<\/em><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

Almanya’da ya\u015fayan bir Dersim Ermeni’si olan Murat Demir’in kitapta bir hayli uzun yer alan \u00f6yk\u00fcs\u00fcn\u00fcn en \u00e7arp\u0131c\u0131 yerlerinden biri annesinin mezar\u0131\u00a0hakk\u0131nda; daha do\u011frusu annesinin y\u0131llar \u00f6nce toprakla bir olmu\u015f \u00f6l\u00fc bedenine dair.<\/p>\n

Demir, bu korkusunu \u015f\u00f6yle anlat\u0131yor:<\/p>\n

Annem \u00f6ld\u00fc\u011f\u00fcnde k\u00fc\u00e7\u00fckt\u00fcm, babama dedim ki;<\/p>\n

‘Anam\u0131 kilisenin bir k\u00f6\u015fesine g\u00f6melim.’<\/p>\n

Kiliseye g\u00f6md\u00fck anam\u0131… 67 senesinde gittim, 50 santim y\u00fcksekli\u011finde beton d\u00f6kt\u00fcm \u00fczerine, Aleviler \u00e7\u0131karmas\u0131n diye.<\/p>\n

Aleviler\/K\u00fcrtler, bizim b\u00fct\u00fcn kutsal mek\u00e2nlar\u0131m\u0131z\u0131 ‘alt\u0131n bulaca\u011f\u0131z’ diye yok ettiler. Yanlar\u0131na kalmas\u0131n!…<\/p>\n

Kilisenin ta\u015flar\u0131n\u0131 s\u00f6k\u00fcp, mezarlar\u0131n ta\u015flar\u0131n\u0131 toplay\u0131p orada ilkokul yapm\u0131\u015flar. O okul da \u00e7\u00f6km\u00fc\u015f… Kimsenin ah\u0131 kimseye kalmaz.<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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Kaz\u0131m G\u00fcndo\u011fan, Dersim’de Ermenilere y\u00f6nelik ayr\u0131mc\u0131l\u0131\u011f\u0131n temelinde m\u00fclkiyet ili\u015fkisinin yatt\u0131\u011f\u0131na i\u015faret ediyor:<\/p>\n

Z\u0131mek k\u00f6y\u00fcnde yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131m bir r\u00f6portajda bir Alevi anlatm\u0131\u015ft\u0131. Dedi ki,<\/p>\n

‘1938’den sonra geriye kalan birka\u00e7 Ermeni aile vard\u0131, \u00e7ok geni\u015f arazileri vard\u0131, evleri k\u00f6y\u00fcn en b\u00fcy\u00fck eviydi. 38’den sonra geldiklerinde burada kilise duruyordu hala. Bir g\u00fcn o\u011flum ko\u015ftu geldi, dedi ki Agop amca duvar\u0131n dibinde a\u011fl\u0131yor. Ko\u015ftum gittim. Bizim de \u00e7ok iyi dostumuzdu. ‘Agop ne oldu sana, niye a\u011fl\u0131yorsun’ dedim. Dedi ki, ‘Baksana kiliseyi y\u0131k\u0131yorlar.’ Ben de ‘Agop bunda a\u011flanacak ne var, zaten y\u0131k\u0131lm\u0131\u015f, orada ibadet yapm\u0131yorsunuz, zaten sen Alevi olmu\u015fsun.’ D\u00f6nd\u00fc bana dedi ki, ‘H\u0131z\u0131r’\u0131n evini y\u0131ksalar sen a\u011flamaz m\u0131s\u0131n.’<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Kaz\u0131m G\u00fcndo\u011fan o olaydan sonra Agop’un ortadan kayboldu\u011funu ve b\u00fcy\u00fck olas\u0131l\u0131kla nehre atlayarak intihar etti\u011fini belirtiyor:<\/p>\n

Ermeniler, sahipleri olduklar\u0131 topra\u011f\u0131n marabas\u0131 olmu\u015flar ve her halde bunu g\u00f6n\u00fcll\u00fc yapmam\u0131\u015flard\u0131r de\u011fil mi? Akl\u0131 vicdan\u0131 olan her insan\u0131n bu durumu, bu ge\u00e7i\u015fi analiz etmesi gerekiyor. Alevi oluyorlar, pirleri geliyor, \u00e7\u0131ral\u0131klar\u0131n\u0131 veriyorlar, s\u00fcnnet oluyorlar ama \u00e7ocuklar\u0131 kavga etti\u011finde ‘Dole Hermeni, \u00c7ene Hermeni’ yani Ermeni d\u00f6l\u00fc diye a\u015fa\u011f\u0131lan\u0131yorlar. Baz\u0131lar\u0131 \u00e7ocuklu\u011funda Ermeni oldu\u011funu bilmediklerini, bu t\u00fcr a\u015fa\u011f\u0131lamalarla \u00f6\u011frendi\u011fini anlat\u0131yor.<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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“Bebek A\u011fa” olarak tan\u0131nan\u00a0Ermeni ismi Bedros Toroyan, T\u00fcrk\u00e7e ismiyle \u0130rfan Demir, 1970’li y\u0131llar<\/em><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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“‘Ermeni d\u00f6l\u00fc’<\/em>\u00a0s\u00f6z\u00fcn\u00fc duya duya Ermeni oldu\u011fumu \u00f6\u011frendim”<\/strong><\/p>\n

Dersimli Ermenilerden, bir ke\u015fi\u015f torunu olan Dikran G\u00f6z o isimlerden.<\/p>\n

G\u00f6z; 1938’de bir s\u00fcrg\u00fcn \u00e7ocu\u011fu olarak Antalya’da do\u011fuyor. Birka\u00e7 g\u00fcnl\u00fck kundak \u00e7ocu\u011fu iken ailesi, k\u00f6klerine d\u00f6n\u00fc\u015f i\u00e7in Dersim yolculu\u011funa \u00e7\u0131kar\u0131yor.<\/p>\n

Aile Dersim’de tutunmaya \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131yor k\u00f6klerine. Ancak\u00a0“Dole Hermeni” (Ermeni d\u00f6l\u00fc)\u00a0<\/em>s\u00f6yleminde cisimle\u015fen\u00a0“yerel k\u00f6t\u00fcl\u00fck”\u00a0<\/em>nedeniyle tutunam\u0131yorlar ve Dikran oradan bir kez daha kopmak zorunda kal\u0131yor.<\/p>\n

Dersim’de tutunamasa da o Dersim’i kendi anavatan\u0131 g\u00f6r\u00fcp orada nefes alabildi\u011fini, her f\u0131rsatta oraya d\u00f6nmek istedi\u011fini s\u00f6yl\u00fcyor ve maruz kald\u0131\u011f\u0131 ayr\u0131mc\u0131l\u0131\u011f\u0131, akl\u0131nda kald\u0131\u011f\u0131 haliyle \u015f\u00f6yle naklediyor:<\/p>\n

‘Dole Hermeni!’ yani ‘Ermeni d\u00f6l\u00fc!’ derlerdi, dayak atarlard\u0131, k\u00fcfrederlerdi… Toplumda bizi soyutluyor ve a\u015fa\u011f\u0131l\u0131yorlard\u0131. Biz \u00e7ocukken Ermeni’nin ne oldu\u011funu bilmezdik, ‘Ermeni \u00e7ocu\u011fu!’ dedikleri zaman bir tuhaf oluyorduk, bilmiyorduk \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc!… B\u00fcy\u00fcklerimiz anlatm\u0131yordu. 1950-60’tan \u00f6nceki d\u00f6nemlerde b\u00fcy\u00fcklerimiz konu\u015fmazd\u0131. ‘Biz konu\u015fursak, bunlar gider d\u0131\u015far\u0131da konu\u015fur, bir asker ya da bir devlet adam\u0131 i\u015fitir… Ondan sonra ailemizi yok ederler!’ B\u00f6yle gizli bir \u015fekilde ya\u015fam\u0131\u015flar hep.<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Dikran G\u00f6z, bu y\u00fczden hep bir arada kalm\u0131\u015fl\u0131k hissiyle ya\u015fad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 s\u00f6yl\u00fcyor:<\/p>\n

\u0130badetlerimizde tam arada kalm\u0131\u015f\u0131z. Alevili\u011fe y\u00f6nelik \u015feyler yap\u0131yoruz fakat kendi \u00f6z Ermeni ibadetimizi yapam\u0131yoruz… \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc Ermeni k\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fcm\u00fcz\u00fc ve kendi inanc\u0131m\u0131z\u0131 ya\u015fayamad\u0131k. Annemden ve babamdan sonra Ermeni isim konulmam\u0131\u015f \u00e7ocuklara…<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Y\u0131llar \u00f6nce Fransa’ya yerle\u015fen Dikran G\u00f6z, kendisi \u00f6mr\u00fcn\u00fcn son demlerinde hayata ge\u00e7irse de \u00e7ocuklar\u0131n\u0131n hepsinin vaftiz oldu\u011funu ve kendilerine Ermeni isimler se\u00e7tiklerini anlat\u0131yor:<\/p>\n

Vaftiz oldu\u011fumda huzur buldum, kendimi g\u00fcvende hissettim, insan gibi ya\u015fad\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131 hissettim. Oysa o g\u00fcne kadar kendimi ortada kalm\u0131\u015flardan hissediyordum. Nas\u0131l ki, bir deniz topunu atars\u0131n suya, deniz dalga dalga bir o yana bir bu yana \u00e7evirir, kendimi hep \u00f6yle hissederdim, bo\u015flukta… Babam\u0131n ismini ald\u0131m: Dikran. Ama n\u00fcfusta hen\u00fcz de\u011fi\u015ftirmedim, mahkemeye ba\u015fvuraca\u011f\u0131m… \u00c7ocuklar\u0131m da Frans\u0131z kimli\u011fi ald\u0131, isimlerini de\u011fi\u015ftirdiler. \u0130smail’i Samuel, G\u00fcven’i Alen, Umut’u Arsen, k\u0131z\u0131n ismini de Anna yapt\u0131k.<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Kaz\u0131m G\u00fcndo\u011fan’la sohbetimizde dikkat \u00e7ekti\u011fi bir ba\u015fka detay ise Ermeniler ile Aleviler aras\u0131ndaki evliliklerin ba\u015flang\u0131c\u0131n\u0131n 1915 ve sonras\u0131 olmas\u0131. Ondan \u00f6nce iki toplum aras\u0131nda evlilik ili\u015fkisi yok.<\/p>\n

Bunun nedenini ise G\u00fcndo\u011fan, \u015fu s\u00f6zlerle ifade ediyor:<\/p>\n

En \u00e7ok s\u00fcrg\u00fcn d\u00f6nemlerinde ba\u015flad\u0131\u011f\u0131na rastl\u0131yoruz, Ermeni-Alevi evliliklerinin. S\u00fcrg\u00fcn y\u0131llar\u0131nda Ermeni k\u0131zlar\u0131 serpildi\u011fi zaman, S\u00fcnnilere gitmesin diye \u00f6nce Ermeni ar\u0131yorlar, hatta s\u0131rf Ermeni diye ya\u015fl\u0131lara bile veriyorlar k\u0131zlar\u0131. Ancak Ermeni bulam\u0131yorlarsa Aleviyle evlilik yapt\u0131r\u0131yorlar. Normal d\u00fczenleri varken aralar\u0131nda hi\u00e7 evlilik olmazm\u0131\u015f. Yani soyk\u0131r\u0131m \u00f6ncesi. Ne Aleviler Ermenilere k\u0131z verir ne de tersi olurmu\u015f. Fakat soyk\u0131r\u0131mdan sonra Ermeni n\u00fcfusu kalmay\u0131nca, Alevilerle evlilikler ba\u015flam\u0131\u015f. \u0130lk zamanlarda Aleviler de istememi\u015f bu evlilikleri, pirler devreye girmi\u015f, bu insanlar art\u0131k bizim taliplerimiz demi\u015fler ve sulh yoluyla \u00e7\u00f6zm\u00fc\u015fler. Pek \u00e7ok Ermenin \u015funu s\u00f6yledi\u011fine \u015fahitlik ettim: Bizim bir a\u015firetimiz yoktu, k\u00f6ks\u00fczd\u00fck, kimsesizdik. 68’den sonra devrimci \u00f6rg\u00fctler bizim a\u015firetimiz oldu.<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Evinin duvar\u0131nda hem ha\u00e7 hem Ali<\/strong><\/p>\n

Kitaba ad\u0131n\u0131 veren o \u00e7arp\u0131c\u0131 “Biz \u0130sa’ya Tabiyiz ama Hz. Ali’ye de mecburuz”\u00a0<\/em>s\u00f6z\u00fcn\u00fc s\u00f6yleyen S\u0131tk\u0131 Sonar; bir Ermeni ve Alevi’nin evlili\u011finden do\u011fmu\u015f. Annesi Bahtiyar a\u015firetinden, babas\u0131 Ermeni.<\/p>\n

Tam bir Alevi gibi ya\u015famas\u0131na ra\u011fmen, Ermeni oldu\u011fu i\u00e7in ya\u015fad\u0131\u011f\u0131 k\u00f6t\u00fc zamanlar\u0131 unutmasa da Ermenilerin devrinin ge\u00e7ti\u011fine inan\u0131yor.<\/p>\n

Yine de evinin duvar\u0131nda hem ha\u00e7 hem de Hz. Ali’nin fig\u00fcr\u00fc birlikte yer al\u0131yor.<\/p>\n

Sonar, bu durumu \u015fu s\u00f6zlerle dile getiriyor:<\/p>\n

Ermenilerin d\u00f6nemi ge\u00e7ti, kalmad\u0131lar. ‘Nu Hermeniyu’ (Bu Ermenidir) derlerdi. \u00c7al\u0131\u015f\u0131rken baz\u0131lar\u0131 param\u0131z\u0131 vermezdi. ‘Yok’ derlerdi. Ben de ‘Yoksa bana e\u015fya al’ derdim.<\/em><\/p>\n

Yapmazlard\u0131, g\u00fclerlerdi… D\u00fc\u015ft\u00fcn m\u00fc k\u00f6t\u00fc; biz d\u00fc\u015ft\u00fck, kimsesizdik… Allah kimseyi d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcrmesin! Kiliseye gitmi\u015fim, kilise deyip ge\u00e7me. Ama \u015fimdi y\u0131k\u0131k, bo\u015f, gidip ne yapay\u0131m? Ben Ermenice bilmiyorum hi\u00e7… Babam biliyordu ama konu\u015fmaya korkuyordu. Ben Ermeni’yim ama Alevi olmu\u015fum. B\u00fct\u00fcn \u00e2detlerimiz Alevi, anam da Bahtiyar a\u015firetinden zaten. \u00c7ocuklar\u0131m \u0130stanbul’da… Hepsi Alevilerle evli… Bizim evin duvar\u0131nda bir ha\u00e7 var, Hz. Ali’yle yan yana koymu\u015fuz. Biz Ha\u00e7’a\/\u0130sa`ya tabiyiz ama Hz. Ali’ye de mecburi…<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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Kaz\u0131m G\u00fcndo\u011fan, Ermeni b\u00fcy\u00fcklerin \u00e7ocuklar\u0131na ya\u015fad\u0131klar\u0131 travmay\u0131 aktarmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 bunun nedeninin de iki soyk\u0131r\u0131m ya\u015fam\u0131\u015f bir toplum olmalar\u0131ndan kaynakland\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 \u00f6ne s\u00fcr\u00fcyor:<\/p>\n

1915’in yaralar\u0131 sar\u0131lmadan 1938’i ya\u015fam\u0131\u015flar. Toplum korku i\u00e7inde, iradesini yitirmi\u015f. Mesela Dersim’de biri g\u00fc\u00e7s\u00fczse, kavga edemiyorsa ‘Neden Ermeni gibi ka\u00e7\u0131yorsun’ derler. T\u0131pk\u0131 ‘Ermeni mal\u0131’ gibi, bu Dersim’in yerel diline yerle\u015fmi\u015f. Bu y\u00fczden ne inanc\u0131n\u0131 koruyabilmi\u015f ne de dinini.<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

G\u00fcndo\u011fan bir 1938’de 14-15 ya\u015f\u0131nda olan bir Ermeni kad\u0131na neden ana dilini unuttu\u011funu sordu\u011funda \u015fu yan\u0131t\u0131 alm\u0131\u015f:<\/p>\n

Ah o\u011flum, dedi. Siz Aleviler geriye geldi\u011finizde burada bir k\u00f6k\u00fcn\u00fcz vard\u0131, D\u00fczg\u00fcn Baban\u0131z vard\u0131, Munzur Baban\u0131z vard\u0131. Onlara tutunarak inanc\u0131n\u0131z\u0131 s\u00fcrd\u00fcrd\u00fcn\u00fcz. Peki, bizim neyimiz vard\u0131? Ne kilisemiz vard\u0131 ne papaz\u0131m\u0131z vard\u0131 ne tek kelime Ermenice konu\u015facak kimsemiz vard\u0131. K\u00f6k\u00fcm\u00fcz\u00fc yok ettiler, nas\u0131l dil konu\u015fal\u0131m, nas\u0131l ibadet s\u00fcrd\u00fcrelim?<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

“Unutma unutma…”<\/strong><\/p>\n

Baz\u0131 Ermeni b\u00fcy\u00fcklerin ise ya\u015fad\u0131klar\u0131 travmay\u0131 torunlar\u0131na \u00e7ok ac\u0131 bir \u015fekilde aktard\u0131klar\u0131n\u0131 ve kendisini en \u00e7ok etkileyen hik\u00e2yenin Dersimli bir Ermeni olan Musa Teyhani’nin aktard\u0131\u011f\u0131 hik\u00e2ye oldu\u011funu, ayr\u0131nt\u0131lar\u0131n korkun\u00e7lu\u011fu kar\u015f\u0131s\u0131nda g\u00f6zya\u015flar\u0131n\u0131 tutamad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 s\u00f6yl\u00fcyor.<\/p>\n

Kitapta Musa Teyhani, dedesinin 1915’ini \u015fu s\u00f6zlerle anlatm\u0131\u015f:<\/p>\n

S\u00fcleyman Dedem iri yar\u0131 bir adamd\u0131. Beni kuzulara, g\u0131diklere [o\u011flak] g\u00f6nderirken o kocaman elleriyle kafam\u0131 mengeneye al\u0131nm\u0131\u015f gibi s\u0131karak ve kafama bast\u0131rarak, ‘T\u0131rko, T\u0131rko’ (T\u00fcrk, T\u00fcrk) derdi. T\u00fcrklerin \u00e7ektirdi\u011fi ac\u0131n\u0131n ve k\u00f6t\u00fcl\u00fc\u011f\u00fcn ne oldu\u011funu bana hissettirmek ve bende b\u00f6ylece kal\u0131c\u0131 hale getirmek istiyordu… K\u0131rman\u00e7ki\/Zazaki diyordu ‘Hovirameke, Hovirameke!’ (Unutma, Unutma!)… Bunu benim can\u0131m\u0131 ac\u0131tarak, yakarak yap\u0131yordu… Bu korkun\u00e7 bir \u015feydi!… Ben, Ermenilere yap\u0131lanlar\u0131 dedemin kafam\u0131 s\u0131karak verdi\u011fi o ac\u0131yla ve s\u00f6zle hat\u0131rl\u0131yor ve anl\u0131yorum…<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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Ailesinin Alevili\u011fe ge\u00e7i\u015finin 1900’\u00fcn ba\u015flar\u0131nda ger\u00e7ekle\u015fti\u011fini s\u00f6yleyen Tehani,\u00a0“Ya M\u00fcsl\u00fcman, ya Alevi olun yahut da sizi yok ederiz, demi\u015fler. Bizimkiler de ya\u015famak i\u00e7in Alevili\u011fi kabul etmi\u015fler, isteyerek de\u011fil”<\/em>\u00a0diyor.<\/p>\n

Dedesinin hikayesini a\u011flayarak anlatan Teyhani; Dersim’de Ermenilerin \u00f6nce kovuldu\u011funu sonra da k\u00f6lele\u015ftirildi\u011fini s\u00f6yl\u00fcyor:<\/p>\n

Onlar\u0131n yan\u0131nda atlar\u0131na, ah\u0131rlar\u0131na, i\u015flerine bakan maraba, k\u00f6le olarak korumu\u015flar bizi… Sevdiklerinden de\u011fil, kendisine i\u015f\u00e7i laz\u0131mm\u0131\u015f… Ac\u0131d\u0131r bunu s\u00f6ylemesi ama a\u011falar isterse maraban\u0131n ailesini, han\u0131m\u0131n\u0131 al\u0131p g\u00f6t\u00fcr\u00fcp kullan\u0131yormu\u015f, sonra getirip b\u0131rak\u0131yormu\u015f… Ermeniler hi\u00e7bir \u015feye sahip de\u011filler yani… Mesela dedem ekin bi\u00e7mekte geri kal\u0131p yeti\u015ftirememi\u015fse veya az i\u015f yapm\u0131\u015fsa sopayla s\u0131rt\u0131na vururlarm\u0131\u015f, ‘\u00c7abuk ol’ diye. Ak\u015fam kan i\u00e7inde gelirlermi\u015f eve… Baz\u0131 Dersimliler, ‘Biz koruduk Ermenileri’ diyorlar. Belki i\u00e7lerinde h\u00fcmanist insanlar vard\u0131 ve koruyanlar oldu tabii ama ben \u015funu anlad\u0131m ki; s\u0131rf k\u00f6lele\u015ftirip, \u00e7al\u0131\u015ft\u0131rmak i\u00e7in yapt\u0131lar bunu, hepsi maraba! Yoksa koruma falan de\u011fil. Kusura bakmay\u0131n!..<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Ancak Teyhani’den farkl\u0131 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnenler de var. Onlardan biri de H\u0131d\u0131r Bozta\u015f. Alevili\u011fin ve Alevilerin iyi oldu\u011funu d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyor:<\/p>\n

B\u00fcy\u00fcklerimiz, Ermeni oldu\u011fumuz halde Alevili\u011fi g\u00f6n\u00fcll\u00fc olarak se\u00e7mi\u015fler. Piri de g\u00f6n\u00fcll\u00fc \u00fcstlenmi\u015fler, h\u00e2l\u00e2 gelip giderler. Piri de, Rayberi de seviyoruz. 12 \u0130mam, H\u0131z\u0131r, Ga\u011fan, \u00fc\u00e7 g\u00fcn orucunu tutard\u0131k. Babam, o Ermeni H\u0131ristiyan oru\u00e7lar\u0131ndan, inan\u00e7lar\u0131ndan hi\u00e7 bahsetmezdi; anam bahsederdi. Mirakyan a\u015firetinde Ermenilerin \u00e7o\u011fu Alevi olmu\u015f, S\u00fcnni olan var m\u0131 bilmiyorum, namaz k\u0131lan\u0131 duymad\u0131m. Elaz\u0131\u011f’da S\u00fcnni T\u00fcrk k\u00f6ylerinde ya\u015fayan ve M\u00fcsl\u00fcman olan Ermeniler var. M\u00fcsl\u00fcman olmu\u015flar ama yine de ayr\u0131m ve hakaret \u00e7ok. Ama Alevilerin i\u00e7inde ya\u015fayanlar onlar kadar sorun ya\u015fam\u0131yor. Onlarla Aleviler aras\u0131nda \u00e7ok fark var. Aleviler iyidir.<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Kaya Y\u0131ld\u0131r\u0131m ise hem Ermeni hem de Alevi olunabilece\u011fini savunuyor. Ona g\u00f6re \u0131rk de\u011fi\u015fmez ama inan\u00e7 her zaman de\u011fi\u015febilir:<\/p>\n

Patrikhane, ‘Ermeniysen mutlaka H\u0131ristiyan olacaks\u0131n’ diyor. Bug\u00fcne kadar Alevi olarak ya\u015fayan Ermeniler son zamanlarda mecburen vaftiz olmak zorunda kal\u0131yorlar. Neden zorunda olsunlar? Ben ikisini de reddediyorum. Ben, Allah’a ba\u011fl\u0131l\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131 ibadet olarak yapar\u0131m. Hangi dilde yaparsan yap.<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

“Yurdumuz Dersim’dir diyorlar”<\/strong><\/p>\n

Son s\u00f6z Kaz\u0131m G\u00fcndo\u011fan’da. \u00d6nce imza att\u0131\u011f\u0131 \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131n devletle hesapla\u015fma, son \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmas\u0131n\u0131n ise toplumla y\u00fczle\u015fme kitab\u0131 oldu\u011funu s\u00f6yleyen G\u00fcndo\u011fan Dersimli Ermenilerin \u00f6nemli bir fark\u0131n\u0131n oldu\u011funa dikkat \u00e7ekiyor:<\/p>\n

Hepsi Dersimli olmaktan gurur duyuyor, bizim yurdumuz Dersim’dir diyorlar. Nerede bir Dersimli, nerede bir Alevi g\u00f6rsek heyecanlan\u0131r\u0131z, diyen de var. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc tarihte olumsuz \u015feyler olmakla birlikte olumlu \u015feyler de aktar\u0131lm\u0131\u015f. Baz\u0131lar\u0131 biz ya\u015f\u0131yorsak Dersimliler sayesinde ya\u015f\u0131yoruz diyor mesela, o minnet duygusunu unutmayanlar da var. Ger\u00e7ekten de Dersim, soyk\u0131r\u0131m d\u00f6neminde devletle i\u015f birli\u011fi yapm\u0131\u015f olayd\u0131, Ermenilerin k\u00f6kleri kaz\u0131nabilirdi, hi\u00e7 kalmayabilirlerdi.<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

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Peki \u015fimdi Dersim’de ne kadar Ermeni var?<\/em><\/p>\n

G\u00fcndo\u011fan, buna tam bir yan\u0131t vermenin m\u00fcmk\u00fcn olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 dile getiriyor:<\/p>\n

\u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc a\u00e7\u0131ktan Ermeni oldu\u011funu kabul edenler oldu\u011fu gibi, hala kabul edemeyenler de var. Son 10-15 y\u0131lda kendi i\u00e7inde Ermenili\u011fi ya\u015fayanlar, kimliklerin \u00e7ocuklar\u0131na aktaranlar oldu\u011fu kadar gizleyenlerin de oldu\u011funu biliyoruz. Yine de son y\u0131llarda daha rahat bir \u015fekilde kimliklerini kabul edenler oldu\u011funu s\u00f6ylemek m\u00fcmk\u00fcn.<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n

Peki globalle\u015fmenin ve s\u0131n\u0131rlar\u0131n ortadan kalkt\u0131\u011f\u0131 s\u00f6yleminin bu kadar ge\u00e7er ak\u00e7e oldu\u011fu bir \u00e7a\u011fda, Ermeni kimli\u011finin sahiplenilmesi, gen\u00e7lerin anne ve babalar\u0131ndan farkl\u0131 davranarak vaftiz olmas\u0131 bir y\u00fczle\u015fmenin sonucu mu?<\/p>\n

G\u00fcndo\u011fan sermayenin k\u00fcreselle\u015fmesinin ezilenler a\u00e7\u0131s\u0131ndan bir olanak yaratmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 o y\u00fczden yerelle\u015fmenin \u00f6ne \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131\u011f\u0131na dikkat \u00e7ekiyor ancak bunun tehlikeli sonu\u00e7lar\u0131 olabilece\u011fini de vurguluyor:<\/p>\n

Sermayenin k\u00fcresel olanaklar\u0131 ezilenler a\u00e7\u0131s\u0131ndan bir avantaj yaratmad\u0131. \u00d6yle olunca kendini var etmek i\u00e7in kimliklerine d\u00f6nme, eskiye d\u00f6nme, bir dayanak olu\u015fturma ve etnik-inan\u00e7 kimli\u011fine do\u011fru ciddi bir yolculu\u011fu beraberinde getirdi. Bu ayn\u0131 zamanda T\u00fcrkiye gibi \u00fclkelerde \u015fimdiye kadar bu kimliklerin ink\u00e2r edilmesine de bir tepkiydi. O y\u00fczden insanlar\u0131n bu yolculu\u011fu devam ediyor. Ama bu yolculukta riskli bir \u015fey var. Bir yandan bunu k\u00f6r\u00fckleyen emperyalist g\u00fc\u00e7ler de var. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc toplumun ne kadar par\u00e7alarlarsa ne kadar atomize ederlerse o kadar rahat y\u00f6neteceklerini d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorlar.<\/em><\/p>\n

Ama \u00f6te yandan da bu var diye, insanlar\u0131n kendi kimli\u011fini benimsemeyece\u011fi, sahip \u00e7\u0131kmayaca\u011f\u0131 anlam\u0131na gelmiyor. Burada da mikro milliyet\u00e7ili\u011fe dikkat edilmesi gerekti\u011fini d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorum. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc milliyet\u00e7ili\u011fin bir t\u0131k \u00f6tesi \u0131rk\u00e7\u0131l\u0131k. Her insan\u0131n kendi kimli\u011fine sahip \u00e7\u0131kmas\u0131, ana s\u00fct\u00fc kadar helaldir ama bu kimli\u011fi in\u015fa ederken ba\u015fka kimliklerin y\u0131k\u0131m\u0131, ba\u015fka kimliklere nefret, ba\u015fka kimlikleri \u00f6tekile\u015ftirme ba\u015flad\u0131\u011f\u0131 anda problem ba\u015flar. Herkesin kendi kimli\u011fine sahip \u00e7\u0131kma hakk\u0131 var ve bir arada ya\u015faman\u0131n k\u00fclt\u00fcr\u00fcn\u00fc olu\u015fturmak laz\u0131m.<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n

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Kaz\u0131m G\u00fcndo\u011fan’\u0131n kaleminden \u00e7\u0131kan “Alevile\u015ftirilmi\u015f Ermeniler – Biz \u0130sa’ya Tabiyiz Ali’ye Mecburuz” kitab\u0131 72 Dersimli Ermeni ve 12 Dersimli Alevinin \u00f6yk\u00fclerine yer veriyor. 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