{"id":69879,"date":"2022-08-31T05:52:41","date_gmt":"2022-08-31T10:52:41","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?p=69879"},"modified":"2022-08-31T05:52:41","modified_gmt":"2022-08-31T10:52:41","slug":"can-we-reconcile-with-the-turk2-0-or-the-armenian-turkish-peace-and-friendships-eras-myth","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?p=69879","title":{"rendered":"\u201cCan we reconcile with the turk?\u201d2.0 or The Armenian-Turkish “peace and friendship’s era’s” myth"},"content":{"rendered":"

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Hayaliq.com-The negotiations between the de facto authorities of Armenia and Turkey in recent months, which foreshadow the new capitulation of Armenia, are also considered wrong and extremely dangerous by experts. \u201cArmenian Wave\u201d presents the extensive analysis of the famous Turkologist, Doctor of Historical Sciences, Professor Ruben Melkonyan<\/a>, in which a detailed reference is made to the essence of the ongoing negotiations and the possibility of reconciliation between Armenia and Turkey in general.<\/em><\/h4>\n

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Ruben Melkonyan<\/strong><\/p>\n

Turkologist, doctor of historical sciences, professor<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

About 100 years ago, Zarevand asked the not so rhetorical question, \u201cShall we reconcile with the Turks?\u201d, and he answered himself \u00a0with a pamphlet of the same name. Although there have been some changes in both regional and global politics over the past 100 years, some realities have remained the same. Armenian-Turkish relations have an important place among them.Currently, with a \u201cstrange\u201d coincidence and fervor, the authorities of this moment, some \u201cindependent\u201d analysts and propagandists around them have put into circulation the issue of Armenian-Turkish reconciliation or managing the enmity and unwittingly became the addressee of Zarevand\u2019s exhaustive answers given 100 years ago. The principle of freedom of speech has not deprived anyone of the right to express thoughts, but no right can be superior to objective realities, facts, so in these heated artificial and dilettantish discussions of \u201creconciliation with the Turks\u201d, it is simply necessary to add one and the most important professional observation, the Turkological one.<\/p>\n

Turkology is an \u201cexact science\u201d.<\/strong><\/p>\n

As a starting point and even a little metaphorically, I must emphasize a fact that has been fixed for a long time: Turkology is an \u201cexact science\u201d. therefore, to make observations about Turkey, complex Oriental\/Turkic knowledge is needed. Many non-Turkologists can have and express opinions about Turkey, Turks, but without offending, I must note that many of these opinions have a high probability of being partially correct, partially dilettantish, or at least vulnerable. Just as a Turkologist\u2019s views on medicine, astronomy, or biology may fall within the above characterizations.Although there is a similarity or parallel between Turkology and medicine: just as a doctor cannot see the health problem and remain silent, so a Turkologist cannot see the wrong perception of Turkey, its politics, voice wrong views and remain silent.<\/p>\n

Is Armenian-Turkish reconciliation possible?<\/strong><\/p>\n

I think there is no rational person who does not want reconciliation and peace. these are dogmatic realities and it is not necessary to build another populist thesis on this fact that we want to open an era of peace, as if others also want to open an era of war. However, comparing the current situation and the unchanged policy of Turkey for decades, we can say that currently Armenian-Turkish reconciliation is possible only one-sidedly, at the price of a concession from the Armenian side.What will we give up? first of all, for us, the red lines, which include the military, political and economic security of Armenia, the idea of \u200b\u200bstatehood, national dignity, historical memory, culture, spiritual heritage, liberation struggle, military successes, devotees, etc. However, this humiliating concession is now called \u201cliberation from stereotypes\u201d in the fashionable term.The important stage of this \u201cliberation\u201d process began after the change of government in 2018, because the supporters of \u201cbreaking stereotypes\u201d, who were the carriers of such thinking and engaged in grant, journalistic, \u201cpolitical activist\u201d activities, took power and began to control state levers. Therefore, from 2018, the state of Armenia became the bearer and implementer of the idea of \u200b\u200b\u201dbreaking stereotypes\u201d. That \u201cjoyful\u201d news was brought to the Armenian people by the unknown Bolton, who literally advised to \u201cget rid of historical stereotypes\u201d.The Boltonian postulates became a guideline for the current authorities, they began to be manifested in various fields, as well as in the speeches of the ruling faction\u2019s deputies, during the 2021 election campaign and in the interviews of public figures who are physically or ideologically close to the government.<\/p>\n

So, let\u2019s say: Armenian-Turkish reconciliation, which is similar to the Turkish preconditions-compulsions, is possible:<\/p>\n

\u2981 If you abandon Artsakh.<\/p>\n

\u2981 If you allow to conquer the sovereign territory of Armenia without hindrance.<\/p>\n

\u2981 If you agree to be a dummy state.<\/p>\n

\u2981 If you forget your past.<\/p>\n

Should we talk to Turkey?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Among the \u201cpragmatists\u201d the following fact is almost a fetish: it is necessary to talk and reconcile with Turkey. From the beginning, I should mention that I am in favor of talking with Turkey, as well as peace, but the whole question is how, under what conditions is that dialogue possible, let alone peace? As a specialist and without any exaggeration or emotionality, I want to clearly say and assert that in the Turkish collective perception, the option of communicating with Armenians is based on inequality, humiliation, contempt. that is, the Armenian-Turkish dialogue is not a conversation between equals, but between the strong and the weak, the dictator and the executor.In the recent Armenian-Turkish contacts, this is clearly manifested and if we remove the light ceremonial elements of obligatory Eastern-Turkish affection, which are present in the words of Turkish officials (\u00c7avu\u015fo\u011flu, K\u0131l\u0131\u00e7), then the Turkish dictate mentioned above is obvious. I hasten to say that at any previous stage of the Armenian-Turkish negotiations, Armenia did not agree to unequal contacts and Turkish dictates. maybe that\u2019s what \u201csecured\u201d the unsuccessful outcome of that dialogue.<\/p>\n

The next thesis of the \u201cpragmatists\u201d is that Turkish aggression can be stopped thanks to the Armenian-Turkish dialogue. this idea can be implemented only and only in the appropriate geopolitical, regional situation and conditions, not in all cases and through direct dialogue. This could be called the political or expert self-deception of the authorities and the \u201cindependent\u201d analysts who support them, but it seems to be more correctly described by the famous Russian phrase \u201c\u0421\u043b\u044b\u0448\u0430\u043b \u0437\u0432\u043e\u043d, \u0434\u0430 \u043d\u0435 \u0437\u043d\u0438\u0430\u0442\u044c, \u0433\u0434\u0435 \u043e\u043d\u201d.If they want to mention the football diplomacy of 2008-2009 as an example of justifying their actions, then it was in a completely different situation, a completely different process. Without an appropriate geopolitical context, without various levers, only negotiations with Turkey, even good, friendly relations, have never been able to stop Turkish aggression. For example, Turkey and Syria had good relations in the 2000s, Erdogan and Assad were close even as families, but all that changed in a matter of days and Turkey started a terrorist war against Syria, occupied (and is still occupied today) part of its territory, and Erdogan began to turn to his \u201cfriend\u201d Assad in the most offensive terms.<\/p>\n

By the way, in the previous years, certain circles that are part of the current government, or close to it, or at least loyal to it, were actively engaged in various programs of the Armenian-Turkish dialogue and, in parallel, actively received various grants for it. The main motivation was the goals that caught the attention of the international community: \u201celimination of Armenian-Turkish enmity\u201d, \u201cdialogue\u201d, \u201cpeace\u201d, \u201cformation of mutual understanding between societies\u201d and so on. There were also \u201cindependent\u201d Turkish intellectuals advertised in Armenia, who fought against the policy of Turkish denial, spoke about the Armenian cultural heritage in Turkey, and were \u201cfriends of Hrant Dink\u201d.Now I want to ask a rhetorical question. So many years of efforts, programs (which sometimes reached the point of absurdity and very poorly concealed the lack of a say, political order and the desire to launder money), the money spent, did they have any benefit? How and to what extent did all of this prevent anti-Armenian hatred in the Turkish society, how much did it restrain the leadership of Turkey, so that the country in 2020 just not to participate in the brutal aggression against Artsakh Armenians. Did any of those \u201cbrave\u201d, \u201cArmenian-loving\u201d intellectuals of Turkey make a public criticism of the beheading of unarmed elderly Armenians in Artsakh, the use of phosphorous weapons, and the vandalism of churches?Therefore, before speaking with a serious face, the \u201cpragmatists\u201d should first give a unique report about the failure of their previous stage of activity. But no, they not only don\u2019t do that, but with new momentum, more broken stereotypes and new obsession, they have embarked on the implementation of new grant programs. And to the defenseless Armenian society, new falsehoods and theses about the non-existent \u201cgreat\u201d Turkey are imposed.<\/p>\n

Armenian-Turkish friendship has never existed and does not exist<\/strong><\/p>\n

Continuing the thesis that Turkish studies is an \u201cexact science\u201d, I want to put forward and substantiate another idea: Armenian-Turkish friendship did not exist, does not exist and cannot exist in the near future. I\u2019m talking about all the meanings understood under the word friendship, which are available, for example, in the explanatory dictionary of Armenian. I note with surprise and concern that the famous and false Turkish thesis is spreading in Armenia, that Armenians and Turks had very good relations, were even friends, and all of that was ruined in 1915 as a result of the intervention of \u201cthird forces\u201d. That is, as if we had very good relations before that, so we can restore them now.It is a fact that Armenian-Turkish contacts have a history of about a thousand years, from the beginning of the 11th century, when the Turkic element invaded and stayed in Armenia. So, from that period to our days, there has been no Armenian-Turkish friendship. I am talking about the common Armenian and Turkish communities, Armenian and Turkish states. It is not about the occasional good relations between individuals, merchants, neighbors, citing them as counter-argument is the most obvious display of dilettantism (the exception confirms the pattern).The history of the thousand-year Armenian-Turkish relations is full of massacres, destructions, persecutions, continuous shrinking and depopulation of the territory of Armenia, demographic anti-Armenian policies and of course the struggle of Armenians against them. Why was Armenian-Turkish friendship not possible and not possible now and in the near future? Let\u2019s bring two arguments related to political-political science and one public perception.First, if we look at Armenia-Turkey relations with purely cold political calculations, the interests of these two states are at odds with each other in many points, so it is very natural that the lack of mutual common interests or their very smallness forces those two countries not to be called countries with potential for friendship. : Secondly, Armenia and Armenians are presented as a real and symbolic target and enemy at the basis of the political identity of the Republic of Turkey. it was visible even in the years of formation of that state, 1919-1923, and then it already found a place in the ideological and state documents of Turkey.Surely in all this there was also the role of the Turkish historical memory, where even centuries ago the image of the Armenian was perceived as the main enemy. it is manifested even in early Turkish folklore.<\/p>\n

Apart from the state approach, it is very logical that Turkey\u2019s public perception of Armenians and Armenia is also extremely hostile, and in any status (winner, loser, negotiator, beggar for peace), Armenia continues to be an enemy, a target in the thinking of the majority of the public of the 85-million state. To justify what I said, let\u2019s look at what cannot be falsified or manipulated: folklore, sayings, proverbs, curses, in which a markedly hostile, racist, sarcastic attitude towards Armenians is manifested.It is a fact that the term \u201cArmenian\u201d is used in Turkey both for sharp criticisms at the political level and as an insult in street disputes. Even at the domestic level, for example, a mother can scold a child and call him an Armenian as the most insulting word. \u201cArmenian abortion\u201d is one of the crudest insults used in the political arena and is often addressed to those of non-Armenian origin and equates to a traitorous meaning. And finally, the racist and sexually offensive proverb that is widely used in Turkish society: \u201cif you are Armenian, then (regardless of your will) you must give\u201d (\u201cmademki ermenisin istemeden vermelisin\u201d<\/a>).This attitude towards Armenians in Turkish society is very clearly manifested especially in sociological surveys, where Armenians and Armenia are always perceived as enemies, occupying an \u201chonorable\u201d place in the first three.<\/p>\n

In other words, Armenian-Turkish friendship cannot exist even in theory, because in Turkey there is a political and social consensus, centuries-old historical memory, thinking and stereotype that Armenians are enemies, dirty, traitors. Moreover, it has always been the case, regardless of whether there was a question of Artsakh or even independent Armenian statehood at that time or not. Besides, let\u2019s look at the question from another point of view. what is the Turkish education system like, what are Turkish textbooks like, how are Armenian, Armenia described there?The same as an enemy, pilgrim, traitor, dishonorable. that is, even today, new Armenian-hating generations, new Taleats and Ramilsafarovs continue to be educated in Turkey and Azerbaijan. And no matter how much the authorities of Armenia say peace and friendship at this moment, they will not achieve it with the image of that beggar, poor, they will only strengthen the image of \u201cdishonorable Armenian\u201d in the Turkish perception.<\/p>\n

In the end, I consider it important to briefly mention that in both political and public perception of Turkey as an enemy, however, those Armenians who fought against the Turks and it doesn\u2019t matter whether they won or lost are accepted with more respect: General Andranik, Gevorg Cavush and but our grateful ones. Moreover, the disdainful attitude towards the first three presidents of the Republic of Armenia was never the same as it is now. These are the rules of the game in the East\u2026<\/p>\n

The consistent policy of weakening the vigilance of the Armenian society<\/strong><\/p>\n

Now let\u2019s come to the consistent weakening of public vigilance in Armenia and theses about the possibility of Armenian-Turkish friendship. its pioneer is the current authorities with their MPs, economists, and intellectuals. Many people talk about overcoming the Armenian-Turkish, Armenian-Azerbaijani enmity and creating friendship, but they neither fully understand the situation nor have enough knowledge about the hostile countries, but with all that, they mislead the public with unreasonable self-confidence.<\/p>\n

I must clearly say that it is simply unacceptable for any or random people to talk about the topic of Armenian-Turkish \u201cfriendship\u201d and even more so when, ironically, they currently occupy an official and responsible position. this can certainly be considered a primary threat to national, state and public security. The various thoughts from the ruling wing are most succinctly stated by a de facto and de jure godless deputy:\u201cAs a nation, people and state, we have been instilled endlessly that we cannot and do not have the right to live in peace with our neighbors. I think we need to break that stereotype and realize that we can take steps to live in peace with our neighbors. We now live with a completely opposite stereotype that it is impossible to live with a Turk, an Azerbaijani. If we can break that stereotype collectively, we can sit around the table and find compromise solutions.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n

Perhaps 100 years ago, having encountered such thoughts, Zarevand wrote the work \u201cShould we make peace with the Turk?\u201d, where the answers available today not only have not lost their relevance, but are also fully adequate to the current situation, so I would like to quote them as the answer of today\u2019s lovers of peace.\u00a0\u201cAnd a strange thing, in the latest movements of the Armenian political thought, as the most emphasized line, it seems that the desire for reconciliation will come \u2013 with the Turks\u2026.It\u2019s as if yesterday\u2019s fresh-bloody past didn\u2019t exist either. \u2026 The army of our peace lovers is motley. If an army can be called a crowd of people who threw down their weapons, raised the white flag, and turned to self-sacrifice. And everyone will shout. \u201cLet\u2019s forget the past. Yishel is a sin, useless, harmful\u2026. \u201cThere is only one way of salvation left for us,\u201d says the peace lover, \u201cto find a language of understanding with the Turks.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n

Then Zarevand presents the Turkish prerequisites for reconciliation with the Turks, which are still present today and without any change, are set before Armenia and, unfortunately, the peace-loving people who rule our country at the moment, whose public statements and actions prove that they tend to meet Turkish demands. because they see nothing objectionable in them:\u201cIt is true that with a violent capriciousness he constantly demands oblivion and friendship from us. However, let\u2019s be sure that the more we try to prove our obliviousness and benevolence, the more we repeat that we have forgotten everything and are ready for everything for the love of our existence, the more unbelieving and reluctant it will become. Fluffy conversions from enmity to friendship can only inspire suspicion.And the show of weakness is only contempt. We will try in vain to get rid of clumsy phrases of kindness and love. He will become more and more demanding for positive proofs of sincerity and loyalty. He will want us to give up all our cherished rights as collateral\u2026 And when we are completely at his feet, enslaved, equal to nothingness as a nation, he will still want proof\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n

In a word, if we forgive the Turk, he will not forgive us. The Turk will not only hate us, but will also despise us.\u201d<\/em>\u00a0These words and thoughts of Zarevand do not partially, but completely depict both the current situation, and Turkey\u2019s approaches, and the \u201cfuture\u201d expected if Turkish preconditions are met: new concessions, contempt.<\/p>\n

Exchange of Armenian-Turkish and Armenian-Azerbaijani positive and \u201cpositive\u201d messages<\/strong><\/p>\n

Today\u2019s authorities don\u2019t seem to see or don\u2019t want to see that their concessions, pacifism are met by the enemy with exactly the attitude that Zarevand defined and predicted. For example, Armenian officials \u201caccidentally\u201d started using Azerbaijani and Turkish versions of place names. let\u2019s fix \u201cEyvazlin\u201d as the most striking example. What did Azerbaijan do in response to this \u201cpositive message\u201d of the Armenian government?Aliyev demonstratively uses the Turkishized versions of the cities and place names of the Republic of Armenia: \u201cBasargechar\u201d, \u201cGyocha\u201d, \u201cIrevan\u201d, etc., they are spread in the Azerbaijani society through propaganda and advertising methods, and in the end, Aliyev directly orders and forbids the state bodies of his country. , asking citizens to use even Goris, Sisia and other place names and offers their Azerbaijani versions instead. The fact that the use of place names is also a part of big politics and political \u201cmessages\u201d is a textbook truth, but again, the Armenian authorities seem not to notice or understand.In this regard, the last episode was related to the tragic explosion that took place in Yerevan\u2019s \u201cSurmalu\u201d shopping center. The Turkish envoy, Ambassador Serdar K\u0131l\u0131\u00e7, expressed his condolences regarding that incident, but few people noticed that he did not use the name Surmalu, because it is the name of an Armenian province in the territory of Turkey today. This is not a strange exception, but a mandatory step by a normal state.And days after that condolence, the Armenian envoy expressed his condolences to his colleague Kilic regarding an incident that happened in Turkey. the incident took place in Aintap, which in 1921 after the Turkish conquest, it was renamed Gaziantep (Gazi, conqueror of the infidels). The Armenian envoy used that term in his condolence message. it\u2019s a detail, but it\u2019s important, and it shows the \u201cglory and misery\u201d of our country\u2019s current authorities, and in particular, the foreign policy department.However, the use of Turkified place names seems to be a milder mistake when you hear the statements of some of the \u201csuper-formers\u201d who have returned to today\u2019s ruling team from the political archive that the territories currently being handed over by \u201cDukh\u201d are not Armenian, but Azerbaijani, so they should be returned. In that case, we should also \u201creturn\u201d Yerevan, because Azerbaijanis consider it theirs too, and those same government officials with a serious face and \u201cmandate received from the people\u201d may make a statement about it one day.In case of such a course of events, such an unpunished and calm trampling of red lines, it is not excluded that one day the bearers of this thinking will apologize to the Turks and Azerbaijanis for the Armenian Genocide, Sumgait, and dismantle the Tsitsernakaberd memorial. Robert Koptash, the former editor of the \u201cAkos\u201d newspaper published in Turkey and based on Hrant Dink, wrote about this \u201cfuture\u201d that seems to be from the genre of black fantasy, in the pages of the same \u201cAkos\u201d back in 2013:\u201cInsisting on mistakes, covering them up, limits the horizons of societies. To broaden that horizon, we first need to admit our mistakes. So we can see that we are not very different from the supposed enemy\u2026. The future belongs to the Armenians who carry the pain of Khojaly in their hearts and to the Azerbaijanis who are grieving because of Sumgait.\u201d<\/em><\/p>\n

Today\u2019s authorities are not even concerned that by shouting \u201cArtsakh is Armenia and that\u2019s it\u201d they actually became the creator-author of the Azerbaijani victory slogan, because the conquests of all Armenian territories and the concessions of Armenia that continue today are accompanied by Aliyev\u2019s shouting of the slogan \u201cKarabakh is Azerbaijan\u201d. See what a person, an official, can feel psychologically when he sees new losses, new homes for Armenian families, new immigrants and the \u201cmigration\u201d of Armenian monuments and khachkars from different areas of Artsakh under his shouted slogan.Or how does that same person feel when he finds himself at the same table with the author of the lyrics of the mocking song \u201cne oldu Pa\u015finyan\u201d and negotiates with him and under his mocking-contemptuous smile?<\/p>\n

Summarizing, let\u2019s state once again that Armenians and Armenia continue to be the real, ideological enemies of Turkey and Turks, so thoughts about Armenian-Turkish friendship, both 100 years ago and now, lack any basis and justification. The Turkish plan to destroy Armenia physically and morally remains in force today and even if we stop considering the Turk as an enemy, he will not stop accepting us as an enemy.Erdogan is building \u201cNew Turkey\u201d based on nationalistic and religious traditions. \u201cNew Armenia\u201d is being built by the authorities of the moment, anti-national, far from religion, disdainful of traditions, disowning historical memory.<\/p>\n

And what to do? adhering to established effective, dignified mechanisms to communicate with enemies, not to retreat from important principle lines, not to be carried away by illusions about friendship and to continue the struggle of complex coexistence established by the written and unwritten laws operating in the East.<\/p>\n

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