{"id":68859,"date":"2022-06-06T01:40:16","date_gmt":"2022-06-06T06:40:16","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?p=68859"},"modified":"2022-06-06T01:40:16","modified_gmt":"2022-06-06T06:40:16","slug":"baron-pakrat-ve-fesi-dusurmemek","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?p=68859","title":{"rendered":"Baron Pakrat ve \u201cFesi D\u00fc\u015f\u00fcrmemek\u201d"},"content":{"rendered":"<div><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-68860\" src=\"https:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/06\/Pakrat-Estukyan-345x270.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"345\" height=\"270\" srcset=\"https:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/6\/2022\/06\/Pakrat-Estukyan-345x270.jpg 345w, https:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/6\/2022\/06\/Pakrat-Estukyan-768x602.jpg 768w, https:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/6\/2022\/06\/Pakrat-Estukyan-1536x1203.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/6\/2022\/06\/Pakrat-Estukyan-2048x1604.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/6\/2022\/06\/Pakrat-Estukyan-560x439.jpg 560w, https:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/6\/2022\/06\/Pakrat-Estukyan-260x204.jpg 260w, https:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/6\/2022\/06\/Pakrat-Estukyan-160x125.jpg 160w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 345px) 100vw, 345px\" \/><\/div>\n<div class=\"post-meta\"><strong><span class=\"posted-by\"><span class=\"reviewer\"><a title=\"\u0130\u015fhan Erdin\u00e7\" href=\"https:\/\/www.agos.com.tr\/tr\/yazar\/264\/ishan-erdinc\" rel=\"author\">\u0130\u015fhan Erdin\u00e7<\/a><\/span> \u00a0<\/span><\/strong><\/div>\n<div class=\"post-meta\"><em><strong><span style=\"color: #333333; font-family: 'Cantata One', serif; letter-spacing: 0.05em;\">Gazeteci Elif Atalay\u2019\u0131n Agos\u2019un Ermenice sayfalar\u0131 edit\u00f6r\u00fc Pakrat Estukyan ile yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131 nehir s\u00f6yle\u015fi kitab\u0131 \u2018Fesi D\u00fc\u015f\u00fcrmeden\u2019, \u0130leti\u015fim Yay\u0131nlar\u0131\u2019ndan \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131. Kitap, Estukyan\u2019\u0131n ailesinin Anadolu\u2019da ba\u015flayan zorlu ya\u015fam m\u00fccadelesinde ayakta kal\u0131p \u0130stanbul\u2019a geli\u015fini; kendisinin Rumelihisar\u0131\u2019nda ba\u015flayan \u00e7ocukluk d\u00f6nemini, sol siyasi hareket i\u00e7erisinde yer ald\u0131\u011f\u0131 y\u0131llar\u0131, Sayat Nova Korosu\u2019nu ve Agos\u2019ta devam eden yaz\u0131 hayat\u0131n\u0131 ele al\u0131yor. Atalay ve Estukyan ile kitap \u00fczerine konu\u015ftuk.<\/span><\/strong><\/em><\/div>\n<div class=\"post-container cf\">\n<div class=\"post-content-right\">\n<div class=\"post-content description \">\n<p><strong>Estukyan\u2019\u0131n ailesini ve hayat\u0131n\u0131 anlat\u0131rken \u2018nas\u0131l ba\u015f edilebilir bu durumlarla\u2019 duygusunu ya\u015fam\u0131\u015fs\u0131n\u0131z. Pakrat abinin ailesi Anadolu\u2019dan \u0130stanbul\u2019a zorlu \u015fartlarda g\u00f6\u00e7 etmi\u015f. Pakrat Estukyan\u2019\u0131n anlatt\u0131klar\u0131n\u0131 dinleyince ve kitaba d\u00f6kmeye ba\u015flad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131zda T\u00fcrkiye\u2019deki Ermenilerin tarihine dair nas\u0131l bir kan\u0131 olu\u015ftu sizde?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>EL\u0130F ATALAY- \u015eimdi her insan\u0131n olaylar\u0131 kar\u015f\u0131lama \u015fekli, direnci, alg\u0131lamas\u0131 farkl\u0131. Her insan bir tarih, bu y\u00fczden mikro tarih \u00e7ok \u00f6nemli. \u0130nsan\u0131 ete kemi\u011fe b\u00fcr\u00fcnd\u00fcr\u00fcyorsunuz. Onun duygusu, ya\u015fad\u0131\u011f\u0131, hissetti\u011fi, nas\u0131l devam etti\u011fi ya da nas\u0131l kesintiye u\u011frad\u0131\u011f\u0131. Bunlar tarihte \u00e7ok yazm\u0131yor. Bir insan \u00fczerinden iz s\u00fcrerseniz, ki bu kitap bunun i\u00e7in \u00f6nemli, sizi etkilememesi m\u00fcmk\u00fcn de\u011fil. Bu hikayeler b\u00f6yle, ete kemi\u011fe b\u00fcr\u00fcnm\u00fc\u015f, ger\u00e7ek bir anlat\u0131. S\u00f6zl\u00fc tarih, mikro tarih ara\u015ft\u0131rmalar\u0131n\u0131n k\u0131ymeti burada. Hangi motivasyonla ayakta kald\u0131, nas\u0131l m\u00fccadele etti? Bu, bir sonraki nesiller i\u00e7in de \u00e7ok \u00f6nemli. Vazge\u00e7memek, direnmek! Bu \u00fclkede kalmaya direnmek, hayata tutunmak. Hayata yeniden ba\u015flama hikayesi asl\u0131nda. Bu, insan olman\u0131n \u00e7ok onurlu ve kuvvetli bir hali. Onu g\u00f6rmek laz\u0131m.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hikayelerde bahsedilen mek\u00e2nlar\u0131 ziyaret ettiniz san\u0131yorum.<\/strong><br \/>\nE.A-Anadolu\u2019da bir tek E\u011fin\u2019i g\u00f6rebildim. Kitapta bahsedilen 1915\u2019te hayat\u0131n\u0131 kaybeden o aile \u00fcyesinin merdivenlerden s\u00fcr\u00fcklenme sesi hala kula\u011f\u0131mda. E\u011fin\u2019e gittim ve o merdivenleri g\u00f6rd\u00fcm. Murat nehrinden a\u015fa\u011f\u0131ya do\u011fru uzanan bir topografya var. Her tarafta \u00e7ok merdiven var, otlarla kaplanm\u0131\u015f ve el de\u011fmemi\u015f. O merdivenleri dola\u015ft\u0131m, inerken nehri g\u00f6r\u00fcyorsunuz. G\u00f6z\u00fcn\u00fcz\u00fcn \u00f6n\u00fcne bir kad\u0131n geliyor, arkada da \u00e7ocuklar. Orada \u00e7ok etkilendim. \u0130stanbul\u2019da da semtleri dola\u015ft\u0131m. Kanl\u0131 Kilise (Samatya Surp Kevork Kilisesi) de ayr\u0131 bir ruh halini bar\u0131nd\u0131r\u0131yor. Baz\u0131 mekanlar ruhunu kaybetmiyor. E\u011fin de \u00e7ok sessiz. Gitti\u011finizde \u2018Burada bir \u015fey olmu\u015f. Bir a\u011f\u0131rl\u0131k ve suskunluk var\u2019 halini hissediyorsunuz. Hikayelerle birlikte mekanlara gitti\u011finizde o hazin hali var ve onu al\u0131yorsunuz. Samatya\u2019da da o dinginli\u011fi al\u0131yorsunuz.<\/p>\n<div id=\"photoholder1\" class=\"photoholder no-display appear\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"no-display appear\" src=\"https:\/\/admin.agos.com.tr\/Upload\/Agos\/Images\/kitap%20kapak%20fesi%20dus%CC%A7urmeden.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"200\" height=\"300\" \/><\/div>\n<p><strong>Bu kitap sizce empati duygusunu geli\u015ftirmeye arac\u0131 olur mu?<\/strong><br \/>\nE.A- T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de toplumlar\u0131n bu kadar ayr\u0131\u015fmas\u0131n\u0131n nedeni de mek\u00e2nsal olarak da farkl\u0131la\u015fmalar\u0131. Hepimizin derdi ileti\u015fimlerimizin \u00e7ok kopmas\u0131, kimsenin birbirine denk gelmemesi. Benim s\u00f6zl\u00fc tarih \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131lar\u0131mdan birisi rit\u00fcellerin ortadan kalkmas\u0131. K\u00fc\u00e7\u00fcksu ya da G\u00f6ksu\u2019da Paskalya panay\u0131r\u0131 yap\u0131l\u0131rken herkes bir arada olurmu\u015f. Rahmetli Peder Dosideos anlatm\u0131\u015ft\u0131. Onun k\u00fc\u00e7\u00fckl\u00fc\u011f\u00fc orada ge\u00e7mi\u015f. G\u00f6r\u00fcn\u00fcrl\u00fck ortadan kalkt\u0131. Kimse kimsenin ne yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 bilmiyor, her \u015fey \u00e7ok kapal\u0131 mekanlar aras\u0131nda kald\u0131.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Pakrat Estukyan\u2019\u0131n sizi en \u00e7ok etkileyen hikayesi hangisiydi?<\/strong><br \/>\nE.A- \u0130lk olarak ailenin hikayesi \u00e7ok etkileyici. Pakrat abinin hayat\u0131na\u00a0 tevazuyla devam etmesi, hayat\u0131 oldu\u011fu gibi kabul etmesi; gazeteci, Ermeni, T\u00fcrkiyeli kimlikleriyle m\u00fccadele etmesi, siyasi m\u00fccadelesi ve ge\u00e7mi\u015fte ya\u015fad\u0131\u011f\u0131 o kadar \u015feye ra\u011fmen vazge\u00e7memesi. Bunu zaten Pakrat abide g\u00f6r\u00fcyorsunuz. Herkesin anlataca\u011f\u0131 bir hikayesi var, \u00f6nemli olan bunu ortaya \u00e7\u0131karabilmek. 19 Ocak hem benim hem de Pakrat abinin \u00e7ok etkilendi\u011fi bir an. O b\u00fcy\u00fck bir k\u0131r\u0131lma. Orada ara vermek zorunda kald\u0131k. Kay\u0131p, insan\u0131n hayat\u0131nda farkl\u0131 \u015feylere yol a\u00e7\u0131yor. Bazen hayat g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcz de\u011fi\u015fiyor, size \u00e7ok b\u00fcy\u00fck dersler veriyor. Bazen sizi h\u0131rsland\u0131r\u0131yor ve farkl\u0131 bir olgunlu\u011fa d\u00f6n\u00fc\u015f\u00fcyor.<\/p>\n<p><strong>\u2018Fesi D\u00fc\u015f\u00fcrmeden\u2019 Pakrat Estukyan\u2019\u0131n ya\u015fant\u0131s\u0131n\u0131 tek ba\u015f\u0131na ifade ediyor mu?<\/strong><br \/>\nE.A- Tabii ediyor. Benim o \u00e7ok \u00f6nem verdi\u011fim ayakta kalma, diren\u00e7 g\u00f6stermeyi ifade ediyor hem de maddi anlamda \u00e7ok h\u0131rs\u0131 olmadan ya\u015fam\u0131na devam etmesi. Fesi d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcrmeden, bug\u00fcne kadar gelmenin ifadesi. Pakrat abinin bir aile b\u00fcy\u00fc\u011f\u00fcn\u00fcn s\u00f6z\u00fc kitaba ba\u015fl\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 verdi:\u00a0 G\u00f6z\u00fcn \u00e7ok y\u00fckseklerde olmas\u0131n, ba\u015f\u0131ndaki fesi d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcrme.<\/p>\n<div id=\"photoholder2\" class=\"photoholder no-display appear\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"no-display appear\" src=\"https:\/\/admin.agos.com.tr\/Upload\/Agos\/Images\/Elif%20Atalay%20Pakrat%20Estukyan%20Berge%20Arabian.jpg\" alt=\"Elif Atalay, Pakrat Estukyan (FOTO:  Berge Arabian)\" width=\"350\" height=\"200\" \/><\/div>\n<div class=\"photoholder no-display appear\"><em><span class=\"title\">Elif Atalay, Pakrat Estukyan (FOTO: Berge Arabian)<\/span><\/em><\/div>\n<p><strong>&#8220;Dedemin hayat hikayesi Hagop M\u0131ntzuri\u2019nin hikayesiyle birebir \u00f6rt\u00fc\u015f\u00fcr&#8221;<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Ge\u00e7mi\u015fte Anadolu\u2019da ya\u015fayan insanlar i\u00e7in \u0130stanbul bir gurbet \u015fehir olarak bilinir. Siz de \u00e7e\u015fitli semtlerinde b\u00fcy\u00fcd\u00fcn\u00fcz. Siz de kendinizi gurbette hissettiniz mi<\/strong>?<br \/>\nPAKRAT ESTUKYAN- Biz \u0130stanbul\u2019a entegre olmu\u015f insanlar olduk. Annem ve babam da \u0130stanbul\u2019a entegre olmu\u015flard\u0131. \u0130stanbul\u2019a geldi\u011fimizden sonra \u0130stanbullu gibi ya\u015fad\u0131k. Oradaki gelenekleri s\u00fcrd\u00fcrmeye gayret etmedik. Orada nitekim k\u00f6yl\u00fc ailelerdik. Buraya gelince \u015fehirli hayat\u0131 ya\u015famaya ba\u015flad\u0131k. O anlamda \u0130stanbul bir gurbet de\u011fil ama ben y\u0131llar sonra \u015eebinkarahisar\u2019\u0131, Tamzara K\u00f6y\u00fc\u2019n\u00fc ve Sivas Su\u015fehri\u2019ni g\u00f6rd\u00fckten sonra bu anlay\u0131\u015f bende daha \u00e7ok iz b\u0131rakt\u0131. Bir \u00f6nceki jenerasyonun bu konudaki alg\u0131s\u0131n\u0131 da biliyorum. Mesela Hagop M\u0131ntzuri i\u00e7in \u0130stanbul tam bir gurbet olmu\u015ftur. Onun i\u00e7in vatan, gurbet, ev kavramlar\u0131 Arm\u0131dan\u2019da kalm\u0131\u015ft\u0131r. Ama ben kendi hayat\u0131mda bunu hissetmedim.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Markar dedenizin hayat\u0131 ona \u00e7ok benziyor.<\/strong><br \/>\nP.E- Evet. Dedemin hayat hikayesi Hagop M\u0131ntzuri\u2019nin hikayesiyle birebir \u00f6rt\u00fc\u015f\u00fcr. Ayn\u0131 b\u00f6lgenin insan\u0131, \u0130stanbul\u2019da ayn\u0131 \u015fartlarda \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmaya gelmi\u015f; buradan ayn\u0131 \u015fartlarla askere al\u0131nm\u0131\u015f. O askerdeyken ailesi s\u00fcrg\u00fcne \u00e7\u0131kar\u0131lm\u0131\u015f veya katledilmi\u015f. Dedemin ya\u015fam \u00f6yk\u00fcs\u00fcyle M\u0131ntzuri\u2019nin \u00f6yk\u00fcs\u00fc birebir benzerlik g\u00f6steriyor. Aradaki tek fark Hagop M\u0131ntzuri okumu\u015f bir adam, e\u011fitimli. Dedem e\u011fitim almam\u0131\u015f. Dedem hi\u00e7 okula gitmemi\u015ftir, okur-yazar de\u011fildir. Ama onun d\u0131\u015f\u0131nda her bak\u0131mdan M\u0131ntzuri\u2019yle birebir ayn\u0131 \u00f6zelliklere sahiptir.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ailenizin ac\u0131larla m\u00fccadele etmesinin d\u0131\u015f\u0131nda siz de sol m\u00fccadele i\u00e7erisinde epey aktif rol alm\u0131\u015fs\u0131n\u0131z. Toplum i\u00e7erisinde de bir\u00e7ok kez sizi \u00f6n planda g\u00f6rd\u00fck. \u00c7ok s\u0131radan bir hayat\u0131n\u0131z olsayd\u0131 yine de bu fikrin i\u00e7erisinde yer al\u0131r m\u0131yd\u0131n\u0131z?<\/strong><br \/>\nP.E- Al\u0131rd\u0131m. Burada daha \u00f6nemli etken d\u00fcnyaya sol pencereden bakmak. Sosyalist bir bak\u0131\u015f a\u00e7\u0131s\u0131yla bakmak. Esas belirleyici olan 15 ya\u015f\u0131ndan itibaren sosyalist ideolojiyle tan\u0131\u015fmam, emek-sermaye \u00e7eli\u015fkisinin fark\u0131na varmam. Buna dair kitaplar okumaya ba\u015flamam ve bu ba\u011flamda m\u00fccadele i\u00e7erisinde olmam daha belirleyici olmu\u015ftur. Bu ailemin hikayesinden de \u00f6te. B\u00fct\u00fcn bunlar\u0131n i\u00e7erisinde Ermeni kimli\u011fimle daha yak\u0131ndan tan\u0131\u015fmaya ba\u015flad\u0131m. Alternatif bir bak\u0131\u015f a\u00e7\u0131s\u0131yla bakmaya ba\u015flad\u0131m, mesela inan\u00e7l\u0131 biri olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131m halde kiliseye sahip \u00e7\u0131kman\u0131n \u00e7eli\u015fkisini nas\u0131l \u00e7\u00f6zd\u00fcm? Bir s\u00fcr\u00fc insan inan\u00e7l\u0131 de\u011filse kiliseyle de i\u015fi olmaz deyip kestirip atar. Ben ayn\u0131s\u0131n\u0131 yapmad\u0131m. Kiliseye sahip \u00e7\u0131kan bir tutum i\u00e7erisinde oldum. Kilisenin Ermeni toplumunu organize eden \u00f6zelli\u011fi oldu\u011fu kan\u0131s\u0131na vard\u0131m. Buna alternatif ba\u015fka bir yap\u0131 yoktu. E\u011fer Ermenistan\u2019da do\u011fmu\u015f olsayd\u0131m kiliseyle i\u00e7 i\u00e7e olmayacakt\u0131m. Ama \u0130stanbul\u2019da do\u011funca T\u00fcrkiye Ermeni toplumu i\u00e7erisinde ya da diasporadaki Ermeni toplumu i\u00e7in kilisenin rol\u00fcn\u00fc bildi\u011fim i\u00e7in kiliseye sahip \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131m. Din adamlar\u0131yla pek ili\u015fkim yoktur ama Patrikhane ve kiliselerle de sorunum yoktur.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kitapta Agos\u2019tan da bahsetmi\u015fsiniz. Siz Hrant Dink ile gazete kurulmadan \u00f6nce tan\u0131\u015f\u0131yordunuz. Fakat Agos daha kurulmadan T\u00fcrk\u00e7e gazete fikri o d\u00f6nem toplum i\u00e7erisinde \u00f6n yarg\u0131lara sebep olmu\u015f. Size g\u00f6re bug\u00fcn halen bu \u00f6nyarg\u0131lar var m\u0131?<\/strong><br \/>\nP.E.- Her \u015fey birbirlerini haz\u0131rlayan etkenler oldu. Belki Agos\u2019u da tek ba\u015f\u0131na d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnmemek laz\u0131m. Agos\u2019tan iki y\u0131l \u00f6nce Aras Yay\u0131nc\u0131l\u0131k kuruldu. Aras Yay\u0131nc\u0131l\u0131k da ilk defa T\u00fcrkiyelilere, T\u00fcrk\u00e7e konu\u015fan insanlara Ermeni edebiyat\u0131n\u0131, Ermeni tarihini, Ermenilerin ruh halini aktaran bir mecra olarak yay\u0131n hayat\u0131na ge\u00e7ti. Bir\u00e7ok insan Ermenilere dair bilgiler edindi. Daha \u00f6nce bilmedikleri bilgileri edindi. Agos da ayn\u0131 i\u015flevi s\u00fcrd\u00fcrd\u00fc. Bug\u00fcnk\u00fc tabloyu bilmiyorum ama bir d\u00f6nem okurlar\u0131m\u0131z yar\u0131 yar\u0131ya Ermeni ve Ermeni kimli\u011fine mensup olmayanlardan olu\u015fuyordu. \u00c7ok say\u0131da Ermeni olmayan okur kitlesi vard\u0131 Agos\u2019un. Bu da bana \u00e7ok mant\u0131kl\u0131 geliyor. Sadece T\u00fcrk de\u011fil; Rum, Yahudi, S\u00fcryani gibi etnik kimliklerden okuyucusu olmas\u0131 \u00e7ok mant\u0131kl\u0131 geliyor. Agos\u2019un di\u011fer t\u00fcm az\u0131nl\u0131klara hem de T\u00fcrk, K\u00fcrt gibi insanlar \u00fczerine bir etkisi oldu\u011funu g\u00f6steriyor.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Hrant Dink\u2019in katledilmesi sizin k\u0131r\u0131lma an\u0131n\u0131z oldu.<\/strong><br \/>\nP.E.- Hrant\u2019\u0131n \u00f6l\u00fcm\u00fcnden hemen sonra birinci ya da ikinci haftas\u0131nda biz Boyac\u0131k\u00f6y\u2019de yo\u011fun tart\u0131\u015fma toplant\u0131lar\u0131 d\u00fczenledik. 40-50 ki\u015fi kat\u0131l\u0131rd\u0131. \u201cBundan sonra ne yapabiliriz?\u201d konusunda g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015f al\u0131\u015fveri\u015fi yapard\u0131k. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc Hrant Dink, hepimizin ortak bir kanaati olarak bu toplumun vicdan\u0131n\u0131n sesiydi. Bu toplumun, neredeyse 100 y\u0131la yak\u0131n bir cumhuriyet tarihi i\u00e7erisinde suskunlu\u011fa mahk\u00fbm edilmi\u015f olan toplumun konu\u015fan tek sesiydi. C\u00fcretle konu\u015fan tek sesiydi. O ses al\u00e7ak\u00e7a bir suikast ile susturuldu. Art\u0131k bizim sesimiz k\u0131s\u0131lmal\u0131 m\u0131yd\u0131 yoksa sesi s\u00fcrd\u00fcrmek durumunda m\u0131yd\u0131k? Bu konu\u015fmalar yap\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131nda ben \u201cBu sesin devam etmesi ne gerekiyorsa yapaca\u011f\u0131m\u201d dedim. O zamanlar ben Bilim Laboratuvar\u0131\u2019nda \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131yordum. Hrant\u2019tan sonra gazetenin sayfas\u0131 artt\u0131r\u0131ld\u0131. Sarkis Seropyan s\u0131k s\u0131k laboratuvara gelirdi, bir g\u00fcn \u2018Y\u00fck\u00fcm art\u0131yor. Bir sayfa daha ilave etmek istiyorlar. Ben nas\u0131l dolduraca\u011f\u0131m?\u2019 dedi. Ben de her hafta \u00f6yk\u00fc yazaca\u011f\u0131m dedim, kendisi ilk inanmad\u0131. Sonra raz\u0131 oldu. Ben her hafta hayat\u0131n de\u011fi\u015fik konular\u0131ndan hikayeler kaleme al\u0131yordum. Daha sonra T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de sa\u011fl\u0131k politikalar\u0131 de\u011fi\u015fti ve \u00f6zel laboratuvarlar t\u0131kanma noktas\u0131na geldi. Doktorlar tam g\u00fcn yasas\u0131 nedeniyle hastanelerde \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131yordu. Biz de laboratuvar\u0131 kapatma noktas\u0131na getirdik ve Seropyan ile Aris Nalc\u0131 Agos\u2019ta \u00e7al\u0131\u015fma teklifinde bulundu. 2008 y\u0131l\u0131ndan itibaren s\u00fcrekli \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmaya ba\u015flad\u0131m.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Kitab\u0131 okuyanlar \u0130stanbul Ermenilerinin yak\u0131n tarihinden de bir \u015feyler bulacak m\u0131?<\/strong><br \/>\nP.E.-Kitab\u0131n \u00e7ok ba\u015far\u0131l\u0131 oldu\u011funu d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorum. Elif Atalay yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z sohbetleri edebi bir \u00fcslupla kitaba aktarmay\u0131 ba\u015fard\u0131. Ondan dolay\u0131 okunas\u0131 bir hale geldi.\u00a0 Ak\u0131c\u0131 bir hale geldi. Kitab\u0131 okuyan bir\u00e7ok \u0130stanbullu Ermeninin kendinden \u00e7ok \u015fey bulaca\u011f\u0131n\u0131 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorum. Pek \u00e7ok paralellikler kuraca\u011f\u0131n\u0131 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorum. Ermeni olmayanlar\u0131n da alg\u0131lamakta ve anlamland\u0131rmakta samimi kar\u015f\u0131layaca\u011f\u0131n\u0131 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorum. Birebir ya\u015famdan aktar\u0131lm\u0131\u015f samimi bir anlat\u0131 bulacaklar\u0131n\u0131 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorum. Okuyucuya iyi gelecek bir kitap oldu.<\/p>\n<p><em><strong>https:\/\/www.agos.com.tr\/tr\/yazi\/27167\/baron-pakrat-ve-fesi-dusurmemek\u00a0<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u0130\u015fhan Erdin\u00e7 \u00a0 Gazeteci Elif Atalay\u2019\u0131n Agos\u2019un Ermenice sayfalar\u0131 edit\u00f6r\u00fc Pakrat Estukyan ile yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131 nehir s\u00f6yle\u015fi kitab\u0131 \u2018Fesi D\u00fc\u015f\u00fcrmeden\u2019, \u0130leti\u015fim Yay\u0131nlar\u0131\u2019ndan \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131. Kitap, Estukyan\u2019\u0131n ailesinin Anadolu\u2019da ba\u015flayan zorlu ya\u015fam m\u00fccadelesinde ayakta kal\u0131p \u0130stanbul\u2019a geli\u015fini; kendisinin Rumelihisar\u0131\u2019nda ba\u015flayan \u00e7ocukluk d\u00f6nemini, sol siyasi hareket i\u00e7erisinde yer ald\u0131\u011f\u0131 y\u0131llar\u0131, Sayat Nova Korosu\u2019nu ve Agos\u2019ta devam eden yaz\u0131 hayat\u0131n\u0131 [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":7,"featured_media":68860,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[21,1,54,71],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-68859","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-gunumuzde-bati-ermenileri","category-haberler","category-kitaplar-elestiriler","category-mulakatlar"],"yoast_head":"<!-- This site is optimized with the Yoast SEO plugin v27.4 - https:\/\/yoast.com\/product\/yoast-seo-wordpress\/ -->\n<title>Baron Pakrat ve \u201cFesi D\u00fc\u015f\u00fcrmemek\u201d - Bati Ermenistan Ve Bati Ermenileri Sorunlari Ara\u015ftirmalar Merkezi<\/title>\n<meta name=\"robots\" content=\"index, follow, max-snippet:-1, max-image-preview:large, max-video-preview:-1\" \/>\n<link rel=\"canonical\" href=\"https:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?p=68859\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:locale\" content=\"en_US\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:type\" content=\"article\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:title\" content=\"Baron Pakrat ve \u201cFesi D\u00fc\u015f\u00fcrmemek\u201d - Bati Ermenistan Ve Bati Ermenileri Sorunlari Ara\u015ftirmalar Merkezi\" \/>\n<meta property=\"og:description\" content=\"\u0130\u015fhan Erdin\u00e7 \u00a0 Gazeteci Elif Atalay\u2019\u0131n Agos\u2019un Ermenice sayfalar\u0131 edit\u00f6r\u00fc Pakrat Estukyan ile yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131 nehir s\u00f6yle\u015fi kitab\u0131 \u2018Fesi D\u00fc\u015f\u00fcrmeden\u2019, \u0130leti\u015fim Yay\u0131nlar\u0131\u2019ndan \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131. 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