Yetvart Danzikyan<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\nA\u00e7\u0131k Radyo\u2019da Cumartesi sabahlar\u0131 yay\u0131nlanan Radyo Agos\u2019ta 2019 y\u0131l\u0131n\u0131n son program\u0131nda, Beyo\u011flu ve T\u00fcnel\u2019in 1950\u2019lerine, 60\u2019lar\u0131na ve 70\u2019lerine tan\u0131kl\u0131k eden iki ustay\u0131, iki tatl\u0131 insan\u0131 a\u011f\u0131rlad\u0131k. Merujan Gevik ve Ara Teller. \u0130kisi de kuyumculuk zanaat\u0131n\u0131n g\u00fczel d\u00f6nemlerine tan\u0131kl\u0131k etmi\u015f isimler. Pakrat Estukyan ile birlikte ger\u00e7ekle\u015ftirdi\u011fimiz bu sohbette, eski zamanlara yolculuk ettik, mesle\u011fin o g\u00fczel ustalar\u0131n\u0131 hat\u0131rlad\u0131k.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\nMerujan bey sizle ba\u015flayal\u0131m, sizin ilk ustan\u0131z kimdi? Kuyumculu\u011fa nas\u0131l ve ka\u00e7 ya\u015f\u0131nda ba\u015flad\u0131n\u0131z?<\/strong><\/p>\nMerujan Gevik: Ben ilkokul mezunuyum, do\u011fma b\u00fcy\u00fcme Samatyal\u0131y\u0131m. \u0130lkokuldan sonra bir i\u015f aramaya ba\u015flad\u0131m. Kapal\u0131\u00e7ar\u015f\u0131\u2019da, Past\u0131rmac\u0131 Han\u2019da bir tan\u0131d\u0131k vas\u0131tas\u0131yla i\u015fe girmi\u015ftim.. Kasketlerin i\u00e7ine damga vururlard\u0131, ben de onlar\u0131 da\u011f\u0131t\u0131rd\u0131m. Neyse, annem ve babam yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131m i\u015fin k\u00f6t\u00fc ve yetersiz oldu\u011funu d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcp beni Varak\u00e7\u0131 Han\u2019da yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131 k\u00fcpelerle \u00fcn kazanm\u0131\u015f bir kuyumcunun yan\u0131na verdiler. Kavafyan. \u00c7ok b\u00fcy\u00fck insand\u0131, ufkumuzu a\u00e7ard\u0131. Keman \u00e7alard\u0131, fl\u00fct \u00e7alard\u0131. En sonunda oras\u0131 da olmad\u0131. Masis Torosyan isimli birisi vard\u0131, o da, babas\u0131 da kuyumcuydu. \u00c7ok iyi bir zanaatkard\u0131 kendisi. Onun yan\u0131nda yakla\u015f\u0131k bir sene \u00e7al\u0131\u015ft\u0131m. Kad\u0131k\u00f6y\u2019de ya\u015f\u0131yordu. Kapal\u0131\u00e7ar\u015f\u0131 i\u00e7inde bir d\u00fckkan\u0131 vard\u0131. \u00c7ar\u015f\u0131daki d\u00fckkanlar da at\u00f6lye gibiydi, k\u00fc\u00e7\u00fckt\u00fc. Kendisi \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131rken bize \u00e7ay getirmek, gelen m\u00fc\u015fterilerle ilgilenmek ve ustan\u0131n ni\u015fanl\u0131s\u0131 geldi\u011fi zaman d\u0131\u015far\u0131 \u00e7\u0131kmak kal\u0131rd\u0131.. Biz de haliyle camiye gidip top oynard\u0131k. Ama ge\u00e7 kal\u0131rd\u0131k, bizi aramaya ba\u015flarlard\u0131. \u0130ki tokat da yerdik\u2026 Oradan \u00e7\u0131k\u0131nca Beyo\u011flu\u2019na gittik.<\/p>\n
As\u0131l ustan\u0131z Beyo\u011flu\u2019nda m\u0131yd\u0131?<\/strong><\/p>\nMG: Evet as\u0131l Beyo\u011flu\u2019nda ba\u015flad\u0131m i\u015fe, Rum bir ustam vard\u0131. \u0130smi Kosta G\u0131li\u00e7os.
\nTerkos Han\u2019dayd\u0131 o. Terkos Han\u2019da yang\u0131n \u00e7\u0131k\u0131nca Rus Konsoloslu\u011fu\u2019nun kar\u015f\u0131s\u0131ndaki Ay-Han\u2019a geldim ben.<\/p>\n
Yang\u0131ndan sonra ustan\u0131z\u0131n yan\u0131nda m\u0131 Ay-Han\u2019a gittiniz yoksa kendiniz mi ayr\u0131ld\u0131n\u0131z?<\/strong><\/p>\nMG: Ustam\u0131n yan\u0131nda gittim. Daha \u00e7ocuktum ben, askere gitmemi\u015ftim. Ondan sonra Kosta\u2019n\u0131n yan\u0131ndayken askere gittim. Geldi\u011fimde yine onun yan\u0131na geldim. Kosta beni evlad\u0131 gibi severdi. Cuma g\u00fcnleri elimden tutar Burgaz Ada\u2019ya g\u00f6t\u00fcr\u00fcrd\u00fc beni. Pazartesi de geri getirirdi. Fakat, benim de yava\u015f yava\u015f elimden i\u015f gelmeye ba\u015fl\u0131yordu. \u0130yi de m\u00fc\u015fterileri vard\u0131. Genelde Rum k\u00f6kenlilerdi. Sad\u0131ko\u011flu ailesi gibi de\u011ferli m\u00fc\u015fteriler de geliyordu. Bunlar\u0131n hepsi ustama Levon Saryan\u2019dan kalmayd\u0131. Bu y\u00fczden Saryan, ustama d\u00fc\u015fman kesilmi\u015fti.<\/p>\n
Ara Bey size d\u00f6nelim \u015fimdi. Siz nas\u0131l bu i\u015fe girdiniz? Hangi ustalar\u0131n yan\u0131nda yeti\u015ftiniz?<\/strong><\/p>\nAra Teller: Ben 1955\u2019te memleketim Sivas\u2019tan \u0130stanbul\u2019a geldim. Bir baba dostu beni Kapal\u0131\u00e7ar\u015f\u0131\u2019da Zincirli Han\u2019da Balyan karde\u015flerin, iki karde\u015flerdi, Agop ve Ara Balyan\u2019\u0131n yan\u0131na verdi. Fakat, o sene yani 6-7 Eyl\u00fcl\u2019de ger\u00e7ekle\u015fen olaylardan sonra ustalar\u0131m \u00fclkeyi terk etmek zorunda kald\u0131lar ve Arjantin\u2019e gittiler. Bu s\u0131rada beni hat\u0131r i\u00e7in Beyo\u011flu\u2019nda b\u00fcy\u00fck bir ma\u011fazaya verdiler, Saryan ma\u011fazas\u0131. Ana caddede, Santa-Maria Kilisesi\u2019nin kar\u015f\u0131s\u0131nda bir h\u00fck\u00fcmet kuyumcusu. \u0130stanbul\u2019un varl\u0131kl\u0131, kalbur\u00fcst\u00fc ki\u015fileri i\u00e7in \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131rlard\u0131. Armat\u00f6rler ve b\u00fcy\u00fck zenginler gelirdi. \u0130smet Pa\u015fa\u2019n\u0131n iki o\u011flu da en b\u00fcy\u00fck ahbaplar\u0131yd\u0131, \u00d6mer \u0130n\u00f6n\u00fc ve Erdal \u0130n\u00f6n\u00fc. \u0130smi Levon Saryan olmas\u0131na kar\u015f\u0131n piyasada Leon Saran olarak tan\u0131nmak istiyordu. Katolik bir Ermeni\u2019ydi kendisi. Leon \u201c\u0130\u015fte efendim!\u201d derdi s\u00fcrekli. \u015eakac\u0131 bir ki\u015fili\u011fi vard\u0131. Benim i\u00e7in \u201cBu g\u00f6rd\u00fc\u011f\u00fcn\u00fcz \u00e7ocuk, Sivas\u2019tan geldi. Benim yan\u0131mda \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131yor. Yerine g\u00f6re kahvemizi de yap\u0131yor, i\u015fimize de ko\u015fuyor.\u201d derdi. Rahmetli \u00d6mer \u0130n\u00f6n\u00fc de, \u201cHadi Sivas\u2019l\u0131, bana bir kahve yap da senin ustal\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 g\u00f6relim.\u201d derdi. O zaman bak\u0131r cezveler vard\u0131. Yapard\u0131m. \u201cHakikaten, patronun dedi\u011fi kadar sen bu i\u015fin kral\u0131ym\u0131\u015fs\u0131n! Ben, Taksim\u2019den \u015fu kahveni i\u00e7mek i\u00e7in, iki de laf etmek i\u00e7in geliyorum.\u201d derdi. Daha kap\u0131dan ad\u0131m\u0131n\u0131 atarken \u201cSivas\u2019l\u0131, benim kahvemi yap!\u201d diye ba\u011f\u0131r\u0131rd\u0131 g\u00fclerek. Hala sesi kulaklar\u0131mda \u00e7\u0131nl\u0131yor. Allah hepsine rahmet etsin.<\/p>\n
Kuyumculu\u011fu orada, Saryan\u2019\u0131n yan\u0131nda m\u0131 \u00f6\u011frendiniz?<\/strong><\/p>\nAT: Tabii, Saryan\u2019\u0131n yan\u0131nda \u00f6\u011frendim. \u00d6mer \u0130n\u00f6n\u00fc, Sivas\u2019l\u0131 oldu\u011fum i\u00e7in bana \u201cBizim Ma\u00e7ka\u2019da k\u00f6\u015fk\u00fcm\u00fcz var, oraya iki tane Kangal k\u00f6pe\u011fi laz\u0131m.\u201d dedi. \u201cHi\u00e7 merak etmeyin efendim, getiririm ben.\u201d diye cevap verdim. Kalkt\u0131m, gittim, iki tane yavru getirdim. Getirirken trende, yavrular sepetin i\u00e7inde, sesleri geliyor. Kond\u00fckt\u00f6r de \u201cBen burada k\u00f6pek sesi duyuyorum, nerede?\u201d diye sorarken mecbur kald\u0131m sepetin i\u00e7inde olduklar\u0131n\u0131 s\u00f6yledim. Korkmuyorum \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc. Sahipleri \u00f6nemli ki\u015filer sonu\u00e7ta. \u201c\u0130smet Pa\u015fa\u2019n\u0131n o\u011fluna g\u00f6t\u00fcr\u00fcyorum k\u00f6pekleri\u201d dedim. \u201c\u0130sterseniz, gar m\u00fcd\u00fcrl\u00fc\u011f\u00fcnde indi\u011fimizde, karakolda konu\u015furuz.\u201d dedim. O s\u0131rada tabii k\u00f6pekleri al\u0131p \u00f6nde ba\u015fka bir vagona g\u00f6t\u00fcrd\u00fcler. Haklar\u0131 sonu\u00e7ta. \u0130nince ben d\u00fckkana telefon a\u00e7\u0131p b\u00f6yle bir durumla kar\u015f\u0131la\u015ft\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131 anlatt\u0131m. Hemen oradan \u00d6mer bey bir telefon a\u00e7t\u0131, \u201cK\u00f6pekler benim \u201d dedi. \u201cTamam karde\u015fim, hakl\u0131ym\u0131\u015fs\u0131n.\u201d dediler sepetimi verdiler ve g\u00f6nderdiler beni.<\/p>\n
Saryan, hem ma\u011faza hem de at\u00f6lye miydi?<\/strong><\/p>\nAT: Evet, \u00fcst\u00fcnde bir at\u00f6lye vard\u0131, koskocaman bir at\u00f6lye. \u00c7ok b\u00fcy\u00fck ustalar vard\u0131. Yedi usta \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131rd\u0131 orada.<\/p>\n
MG: Benim ustam, Kosta da oradan \u00e7\u0131km\u0131\u015ft\u0131.<\/p>\n
AT: \u0130simleri, Aram Karan, Toros Torosyan, sizin ustan\u0131z Kosta, Levon Zekiyan\u2019\u0131n, ki \u015fimdi Katolik Ermenilerin Ruhani \u00d6nderi\u2019dir, onun babas\u0131 Antuan Zekiyan\u2026 Hepsi Saryan\u2019dan yeti\u015fmi\u015f onlar\u0131n. B\u00f6ylece, uzun bir m\u00fcddet i\u015f yapt\u0131k.<\/p>\n
Merujan Bey, anlad\u0131\u011f\u0131m kadar\u0131yla Kapal\u0131\u00e7ar\u015f\u0131 ve T\u00fcnel-Beyo\u011flu, ayr\u0131 merkezler gibi i\u015fliyor. Nas\u0131l olu\u015ftu bu durum?<\/strong><\/p>\nMG: \u015eimdi, Kapal\u0131\u00e7ar\u015f\u0131 ve T\u00fcnel birbirinden ayr\u0131d\u0131r. Esnaflar\u0131n pazar\u0131d\u0131r. Pazard\u0131r sonu\u00e7 olarak. Beyo\u011flu bamba\u015fkayd\u0131 o zamanlar. Eskiden beri Beyo\u011flu\u2019nun m\u00fc\u015fterisi bir ba\u015fkayd\u0131. O zaman orada ilk Leon Saran ya da Saryan vard\u0131. Ben de oraya geldim. Bana i\u015f vermeye ba\u015flad\u0131. Devlete \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131rd\u0131 Leon. Sigara tabakalar\u0131\u00a0 yapard\u0131k, elli tane, y\u00fcz tane\u2026 Bunlardan milletvekillerine hediye ederlerdi. Celal Bayar diye yaz\u0131 yaz\u0131l\u0131rd\u0131 i\u00e7ine. A\u015fa\u011f\u0131 yukar\u0131 200-300 gram gelirdi her bir kutu, 18 ayar olurdu. \u0130\u00e7inde bir de Saran diye damgas\u0131 olurdu. \u0130ran \u015fah\u0131 ve kar\u0131s\u0131 gelirdi. \u015eah R\u0131za Pehlevi, Menderes\u2019le gelmi\u015fti ve gezmi\u015flerdi. Onlar\u0131n hepsine m\u00fccevher yaparlard\u0131. D\u0131\u015fi\u015fleri Bakan\u0131 \u0130hsan Sabri \u00c7a\u011flayangil gelirdi. Telefon ederdi bazen \u201cSaran, gel bak Yalova\u2019day\u0131z, bri\u00e7 oynayaca\u011f\u0131z.\u201d diyerek \u00e7a\u011f\u0131r\u0131rd\u0131. Saran\u2019\u0131n da alaca\u011f\u0131 vard\u0131 ondan. \u201cParam\u0131 g\u00f6nderin ki geleyim\u201d diyordu.. (G\u00fcl\u00fc\u015fmeler) Saryanlar bir g\u00fcn kar\u0131 koca Yunanistan\u2019a gideceklerdi \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc bald\u0131z\u0131 orada ya\u015f\u0131yordu. Kar\u0131s\u0131n\u0131 b\u0131rak\u0131yorlar, kendisini b\u0131rakm\u0131yorlar. Saryan\u2019\u0131 ben b\u0131rakm\u0131\u015f ve geri gelmi\u015ftim, Renault arabam vard\u0131 bir tane mavi \u00e7izgili. Bir bakt\u0131m bir telefon, \u201cGel buraya, neredesin?\u201d. Para ka\u00e7\u0131r\u0131yorsun diye bahanelerle geri yollam\u0131\u015flar onu. O vaziyetle geri Saryan\u2019\u0131n d\u00fckkan\u0131na geldik. Haber geldi. Servetinin burada oldu\u011funu h\u00fck\u00fcmete kan\u0131tlay\u0131p bir yere g\u00f6t\u00fcrmedi\u011fini ispatlamas\u0131 gerekiyordu. Karak\u00f6y\u2019de Maliye\u2019nin binas\u0131na gittik, g\u00f6sterece\u011fiz orada. Saryan ama \u00f6nceden torpili patlatm\u0131\u015f. \u201cEvet! Evet! Ne i\u00e7ersiniz?\u201d diye soruyorlar bize. Kahve, \u00e7ay ikram ettiler. Ertesi g\u00fcn Saryan\u2019\u0131 havaliman\u0131na g\u00f6t\u00fcr\u00fcp u\u00e7a\u011fa bindirdik.<\/p>\n
Topu topu Yunanistan\u2019a gidecek de\u011fil mi?<\/strong><\/p>\nMG: Evet, gidip oray\u0131 gezdikten sonra geri geldiler.<\/p>\n
Dolay\u0131s\u0131yla \u015f\u00f6yle anl\u0131yorum: Leon Saran\u2019\u0131n d\u00fckkan\u0131 asl\u0131nda b\u00fct\u00fcn bu merkezle\u015fmenin ba\u015flang\u0131c\u0131yd\u0131.<\/strong><\/p>\nMG: Kesinlikle. Hepsi oradan \u00e7\u0131kma. Franguli vard\u0131 mesela. Gitti sonra, Menderes\u2019in zaman\u0131nda b\u0131rak\u0131p gitti. Birka\u00e7 kuyumcu vard\u0131 orada.<\/p>\n
Franguli\u2019yi soymu\u015flard\u0131 bir de galiba, do\u011fru mu?<\/strong><\/p>\nMG: Evet, ne yaz\u0131k ki oluyor. Soygun i\u015fte. Girdiler tabancayla, korkutup de\u011ferli ne varsa ald\u0131lar. B\u00fcy\u00fck kuyumculard\u0131 onlar. Daha ba\u015fkalar\u0131 da vard\u0131.<\/p>\n
Ama, onun enteresan bir y\u00f6ntemi olmu\u015f. Onu da anlatabilir misin?<\/strong><\/p>\nMG: \u015e\u00f6yle soydular: Hamal\u0131n bir tanesi b\u00fcy\u00fck\u00e7e tahtalar, koltuklar ta\u015f\u0131yor. \u0130stiklal Caddesi\u2019nde gidiyor, geliyor. Dinlenecekmi\u015f gibi s\u0131rt\u0131ndaki b\u00fcy\u00fck tahta levhay\u0131 vitrine day\u0131yor. Vitrin kapan\u0131yor. Oradan da i\u00e7eri giriyorlar. Soyup g\u00f6t\u00fcr\u00fcyorlar.<\/p>\n
Ara Bey size bir sorum var. Siz mesle\u011fi nas\u0131l\u00a0 \u00f6\u011frendiniz? Yeteneklisiniz ve hevesiniz de var ama zor meslek sonu\u00e7ta. Ustalar sizi ufak tefek f\u0131r\u00e7alad\u0131lar m\u0131? Nas\u0131l \u00f6\u011frendiniz?<\/strong><\/p>\nAT: Tabii, \u015fimdi \u00f6yle bir meslek ki bu. \u0130\u00e7inden gelecek. Bu mesle\u011fe girdi\u011fin zaman, herkes i\u00e7in ayn\u0131d\u0131r, hevesin olacak. Hevesliysen bu i\u015f olur. Ben buna heves ettim ve hatta i\u00e7imden dedim ki \u201cG\u00fcn\u00fcn birinde en iyilerinden birisi olaca\u011f\u0131m.\u201d Nitekim oldum da. Severek yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131m i\u00e7in. Nitekim, burada ilk defa s\u00f6yl\u00fcyorum, Cumhuriyet Gazetesi\u2019nin sahibi Nadir Nadi\u2019nin han\u0131m\u0131 Paris\u2019de bir bro\u015f g\u00f6r\u00fcyor. Bro\u015fun fiyat\u0131n\u0131 soruyor. Acayip bir fiyat. \u201cBenim \u0130stanbul\u2019da nice tan\u0131d\u0131klar\u0131m var, elbette daha hesapl\u0131s\u0131n\u0131 yapt\u0131raca\u011f\u0131m.\u201d diyor. Hemen bir mecmuadan kesiyor resmini, geliyor \u0130stanbul\u2019a. Kapal\u0131\u00e7ar\u015f\u0131\u2019da on tane at\u00f6lyeye gidiyor. Hi\u00e7biri onun tam istedi\u011fini yapam\u0131yor. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc onun bir \u00f6zelli\u011fi var, t\u00fcyleri \u015fak\u0131r \u015fak\u0131r oynuyor. En sonunda, \u201cBeyo\u011flu\u2019nda Saran var\u201d diyorlar. Han\u0131m geliyor, zili \u00e7al\u0131yor. Leon Saran, ustam Antuan ile beni a\u015fa\u011f\u0131ya \u00e7a\u011f\u0131r\u0131yor. \u201cHan\u0131m\u0131n bu bro\u015funu ka\u00e7 yere sormu\u015flar ama memnun kalmam\u0131\u015flar. Biz bunu yapabilir miyiz? Size bir g\u00fcn izin. D\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcn ta\u015f\u0131n\u0131n yan\u0131t verin\u201d\u00a0 dedi. Biz \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131k at\u00f6lyeye. Ustam\u0131n tarifiyle oldu zaten bu i\u015f. \u201cBiz bu i\u015fi yapaca\u011f\u0131z.\u201d diye haber g\u00f6nderiyor ustam. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc o bro\u015fun telleri, g\u00f6vdesi, ku\u015fu, t\u00fcyleri oynak olmal\u0131yd\u0131. Gittim bedestene, \u00e7ar\u015f\u0131ya. Yine \u00e7ar\u015f\u0131 bizi kurtard\u0131. Oradan ince, iki metre boyunda bir zincir ald\u0131k. Sadece yar\u0131m metresini kulland\u0131k ama mecbur, ald\u0131k zinciri. Bu zinciri irili ufakl\u0131 do\u011frayarak, keserek mumun \u00fczerinde g\u00f6vdeyi haz\u0131rlad\u0131k. T\u0131pat\u0131p resme g\u00f6re yap\u0131yoruz. Bir hafta sonra biz ku\u015fun \u015feklini ortaya \u00e7\u0131kard\u0131k. Han\u0131m geldi, istedi\u011finin tam olarak bu oldu\u011funu s\u00f6yledi. Biti\u015finin de b\u00f6yle olmas\u0131n\u0131 umut ediyordu. \u201cBir \u015fartla.\u201d dedi. \u201cO\u011flum, bu bir tane bende olacak \u0130stanbul\u2019da. Ba\u015fka kimseye bir daha yapmayacaks\u0131n\u0131z. \u0130stedi\u011fin paray\u0131 da alacaks\u0131n. Bu ku\u015f bende olacak.\u201d Aysel Han\u0131m, hala ismi akl\u0131mda. Ben o zaman patronumdan 900 lira alm\u0131\u015ft\u0131m. \u00c7ok b\u00fcy\u00fck para. Saryan verdi. \u015ea\u015f\u0131lacak bir \u015fey. Aysel Han\u0131m da oradayd\u0131. \u201cSen bana adresini versene o\u011flum.\u201d dedi. Ben tabii \u00e7ekindim s\u00f6ylemeye \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc o ara Ay-Han\u2019da at\u00f6lyem vard\u0131 ama bir aya\u011f\u0131m da Saryan\u2019\u0131n i\u015flerindeydi. Bir de bakt\u0131m, bir hafta sonra zarf i\u00e7inde para ile\u00a0 geldi. \u201cSaran\u2019\u0131n yan\u0131nda onu k\u00fc\u00e7\u00fcltmek istemedim, sana 900 lira de\u011fil 9000 lira! \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc, senden bu laf\u0131 i\u015fitece\u011fim: Ben rahmetli olana kadar bu ku\u015fu kimseye yapmayacaks\u0131n\u201d dedi. Usulca \u201cYapmam efendim.\u201d dedim. Zaten ben verdi\u011fim s\u00f6zde dururum. Ben \u0131srar edip zaten patronumdan para ald\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131 s\u00f6yledim. Beni reddetti ve bunun i\u00e7inden geldi\u011fini s\u00f6yledi. \u201cBen gurur duyuyorum, zanaatkarlar bu \u00fclkede yeti\u015fir. Zanaatkarlar T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de yeti\u015fir, d\u00fcnyaya da da\u011f\u0131l\u0131r.\u201d diyordu. \u201cOrada da ba\u015far\u0131l\u0131 olurlar.\u201d Sanat bitti \u015fimdi. Art\u0131k o yok.<\/p>\n
\u00c7\u0131rakl\u0131k d\u00f6neminde haftal\u0131k ka\u00e7ar lira al\u0131rd\u0131n\u0131z Merujan bey?<\/strong><\/p>\nMG:\u00a0 Masis Toros\u2019un yan\u0131nda iki bu\u00e7uk lira al\u0131yordum ben. Haftal\u0131k iki bu\u00e7uk lira.<\/p>\n
O zaman i\u00e7in ne demekti bu para?<\/strong><\/p>\nMG: Hi\u00e7bir \u015fey de\u011fildi ancak \u00e7\u0131rak paras\u0131 buydu i\u015fte. Orenk derlerdi. Yani kanun. Seneden seneye de\u011fi\u015firdi. Elli kuru\u015f artard\u0131. Benim babam kalayc\u0131l\u0131k yapard\u0131. Sekiz ki\u015fi bir eve bakard\u0131k biz. Kalayc\u0131l\u0131kla o eve bak\u0131l\u0131rd\u0131. Sonra ablalar da kendilerini toparlay\u0131p eve yard\u0131mc\u0131 olmaya ba\u015flad\u0131lar. Art\u0131k d\u00fckkana kalay al\u0131naca\u011f\u0131 zaman ablam gider al\u0131rd\u0131. Babam \u00e7ok becerikli de\u011fildi. \u00c7al\u0131\u015f\u0131rd\u0131 sadece bu vaziyette. Bir g\u00fcn babam beni kollamaya gelmi\u015f. Ustama memnun olup olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 sordu benden. \u201cMemnunum, memnunum. Herkes memnun\u201d dedi. Sonra babam bir durdu, \u201cBen senden memnun de\u011filim.\u201d dedi. Haftal\u0131k iki bu\u00e7uk nedir diye \u00e7\u0131k\u0131\u015ft\u0131. Ustam da kendini hakl\u0131 \u00e7\u0131kar\u0131yordu. \u201cBu i\u015f b\u00f6yledir.\u201d diyordu. Kabul etti babam.<\/p>\n
Kalfa olunca d\u00fczeldi mi en az\u0131ndan?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\nMG: Hay\u0131r, 5 lira al\u0131yordum. 2 sene de \u00f6yle \u00e7al\u0131\u015ft\u0131m. Kosta\u2019n\u0131n yan\u0131na gidince bana cart diye haftal\u0131k 20 lira verdi. Dedim ki \u201cUlan! Bu ne g\u00fczel paraym\u0131\u015f be!\u201d Ama Beyo\u011flu\u2019nda o. Bizi \u00f6yle yeti\u015ftirdiler i\u015fte. Paran\u0131n k\u0131ymeti vard\u0131. Babam i\u015fe gidip gelebilmem i\u00e7in 25 kuru\u015f verirdi bana her g\u00fcn. Tramvay ile 10 kuru\u015f gidi\u015f, 10 kuru\u015f da geli\u015fti. Kalan 5 kuru\u015f da ekmek paras\u0131yd\u0131. Biz d\u00fckkana tramvaya as\u0131larak giderdik, ak\u015fam gelirken yine tramvaya as\u0131l\u0131rd\u0131k. 25 kuru\u015f eve geldi\u011fimizde biterdi zaten. B\u00f6yle devirlerde ya\u015fad\u0131k biz.<\/p>\n
Siz de severek mi yapt\u0131n\u0131z mesle\u011finizi?<\/strong><\/p>\nMG: \u00c7ok severek yapt\u0131m. Ustam Yunanistan\u2019a gittikten sonra b\u00fct\u00fcn i\u015f bana kald\u0131. Saran\u2019a \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131yoruz biz yine, kutular yap\u0131l\u0131rd\u0131. Sipari\u015fler gelirdi. Yunanistan kral\u0131 ve krali\u00e7esi geldi. Konstantin geldi. Ona bir pudriyer yapt\u0131 ustam\u0131z, biz de z\u0131mparas\u0131n\u0131 yapard\u0131k. \u00d6yle \u00f6yle yeti\u015ftirdi bizi. Fahri Korut\u00fcrk geldi. Reis-i Cumhur oldu. \u00dczerinde Celal Bayar yazan tabakalar\u0131 sildirmedi. Hep \u00f6yle gitti onlar. Elli tane, y\u00fcz tane ald\u0131k Ankara\u2019ya gidiyoruz. Kutular\u0131 yapt\u0131k. Saryan da eskiden beri gidermi\u015f. Eskiden trenlerde b\u00fcy\u00fck bir b\u00f6l\u00fcm varm\u0131\u015f, kalabal\u0131k bir aile gelirse oraya verirlermi\u015f. Saryan da bunun gibi bir oda ar\u0131yor. Ne kadar b\u00f6yle bir oda olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 s\u00f6yleseler de itiraz ediyordu. Neyse, Ankara\u2019da kar\u015f\u0131lad\u0131lar bizi. Ba\u015fka sipari\u015fler de var orada. Teslim ettik kutular\u0131. Bir ka\u00e7 tane kutuyu da Fahri Korut\u00fcrk i\u00e7in istediler. Biz yine ald\u0131k kutular\u0131 k\u00f6\u015fke gittik. \u0130\u00e7eriye girince bizim geldi\u011fimizi s\u00f6ylediler. Saryan\u2019\u0131 i\u00e7eriye ald\u0131lar. Ben de d\u0131\u015far\u0131da oturuyorum. Otur, otur\u2026 Yar\u0131m saat sonra i\u00e7eriden bir subay geldi ve \u201cSizi i\u00e7eriden istiyorlar.\u201d dedi. \u201cEyvah!\u201d dedim. Bir hata g\u00f6rd\u00fcler herhalde kutularda, Saryan da benim \u00fczerime att\u0131 su\u00e7u diye d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnd\u00fcm. \u00c7\u0131kt\u0131k. Fahri Korut\u00fcrk aya\u011fa kalkt\u0131,\u00a0 \u201cUstac\u0131\u011f\u0131m, tebrik ederim. Her \u015fey g\u00fczel olmu\u015f.\u201d dedi.<\/p>\n
Ara Bey, Ay-Han\u2019da kim vard\u0131, kim yoktu?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\nAT: Esas gelelim \u00fcniversiteye. Ay-Han, bir kuyumcu \u00fcniversitesiydi. Her \u00e7e\u015fit kuyumcuya ait at\u00f6lyeler vard\u0131. Sadekar, m\u0131hlay\u0131c\u0131, parlat\u0131c\u0131, cilac\u0131\u2026 Her konuda vard\u0131 sonu\u00e7 olarak. Rahmetli baban da (Yetvart Danzikyan\u2019\u0131n babas\u0131, Hrayr Danzikyan) \u00fc\u00e7\u00fcnc\u00fc kattayd\u0131. Benim yan\u0131mda Marko Yusuf vard\u0131. \u015eimdi, kulaklar\u0131 \u00e7\u0131nlas\u0131n, Kanada\u2019da Toronto\u2019dalar. At\u00f6lye i\u015fletiyorlar yine. Bir yan\u0131mda da me\u015fhur Alman Vili. O da iyi bir sadekard\u0131. Ko\u00e7o\u2019dan (Kostas)\u00a0 mezun olmu\u015f iyi bir ustayd\u0131 ve piyasada ger\u00e7ekten iyi ma\u011fazalara i\u015f yapard\u0131. Arto G\u00fcnayd\u0131n vard\u0131. Bir de, belki de d\u00fcnyada e\u015fi bulunmayan bir ki\u015fi \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131yordu. Bu bahsetti\u011fimiz Saran\u2019\u0131n kutular\u0131n\u0131n \u00fczerine motifleri yapan H\u0131ristaki isminde Rum bir arkada\u015f. Kalemkar ve Osmanl\u0131, Sel\u00e7uklu eserlerinin, camilerinin en g\u00fczel desenlerini kutulara i\u015fliyordu. Bunu ba\u015fka kimse yapamaz. El i\u015fiydi. H\u00fck\u00fcmet yine bunlar\u0131 g\u00fcm\u00fc\u015f yahut alt\u0131n olarak yak\u0131n misafirlere hediye ediyordu. \u00c7ok de\u011ferli hediyeler olurdu bunlar. O da Yunanistan\u2019a gitti. \u00c7ok b\u00fcy\u00fck bir usta yeti\u015fmi\u015fti T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de. Me\u011ferse dedesi de Galata\u2019da ve Karak\u00f6y\u2019de yaparm\u0131\u015f bu i\u015fi. Sonra Beyo\u011flu\u2019na geldi. \u00c7ok ayr\u0131 bir kalemkard\u0131. H\u0131ristaki\u2019nin b\u00fcy\u00fckl\u00fc\u011f\u00fcn\u00fc de hi\u00e7 unutmam, biz at\u00f6lye a\u00e7aca\u011f\u0131m\u0131z zaman\u00a0 \u201c\u00c7ocuklar hi\u00e7 \u00fcz\u00fclmeyin.\u201d dedi. Hemen gidip kasas\u0131ndan 100 graml\u0131k bir alt\u0131n k\u00fcl\u00e7e getirdi. \u201cNe zaman eliniz paraya ula\u015f\u0131rsa \u00f6dersiniz\u201d deyip bize verdi. Unutulmayacak bir insand\u0131. Kutucu Hra\u00e7 da (Hra\u00e7 Celalyan) \u00e7ok ayr\u0131 bir insand\u0131. \u0130stanbul\u2019da onun gibi bir iki tane insan da \u00e7ar\u015f\u0131da varm\u0131\u015f. Biz sadece Hra\u00e7 ustayla b\u00fcy\u00fcd\u00fck tabii. Yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131 kutular \u00e7ok me\u015fhurdu. El i\u015f\u00e7ili\u011fi.. Gerdanl\u0131k i\u00e7in, bilezik i\u00e7in, bro\u015f i\u00e7in\u2026 En g\u00fczellini yapard\u0131 hep.<\/p>\n
Anl\u0131yorum ki Ay-Han 70\u2019lerde en g\u00fczel zamanlar\u0131n\u0131 ya\u015fam\u0131\u015f.<\/strong><\/p>\nAT: Evet, \u015fimdi \u00f6yle bir \u015fey yok. Hepsi haz\u0131r hale d\u00f6nd\u00fc \u00fcr\u00fcnlerin. El i\u015f\u00e7ili\u011fi yapan 5-10 ki\u015fi bile kalmad\u0131. Eskiden b\u00fct\u00fcn i\u015fler elden \u00e7\u0131kard\u0131. Bir maden eritilir, silindirde \u00e7ekilir, ondan sonra usta onu al\u0131r, tezgahta onu \u00e7izer, \u015fekil verirdi ve \u00fcr\u00fcn ortaya \u00e7\u0131kard\u0131. Hep el i\u015f\u00e7ili\u011fiydi.<\/p>\n
Merujan Bey, siz de 70\u2019lerde oradayd\u0131n\u0131z. Ne zamana kadar orada kald\u0131n\u0131z?<\/strong><\/p>\nMG: 40 ya\u015f\u0131nda Fransa\u2019ya gittim ben, 10 sene orada kal\u0131p 50 ya\u015f\u0131mda geri geldim. 78\u2019de gittim Fransa\u2019ya.<\/p>\n
Bu mesle\u011fin yava\u015f yava\u015f sizin gibi ustalardan \u00e7\u0131k\u0131p fabrikasyona d\u00f6n\u00fc\u015ft\u00fc\u011f\u00fc su g\u00f6t\u00fcrmez bir ger\u00e7ek, durumun b\u00f6yle oldu\u011funu ne zaman anlad\u0131n\u0131z?<\/strong><\/p>\nMG: Bize i\u015f verecek adam kalmad\u0131 bir s\u00fcre sonra. M\u00fc\u015fteriler de azalmaya ba\u015flad\u0131. Sad\u0131kzadeler gelirdi. Kutuyu verirdi ustam, i\u00e7i y\u00fcz\u00fck k\u00fcpe dolu, ak\u015fam g\u00f6t\u00fcr\u00fcrd\u00fck evlerine ki han\u0131mlar\u0131, k\u0131zlar\u0131 be\u011fenecek. Kutu bo\u015f geri gelirdi. Merakl\u0131s\u0131 vard\u0131, anlayan vard\u0131. S\u0131d\u0131ka han\u0131m gelirdi. Narmanl\u0131 Han\u2019\u0131n sahiplerinden. Benim d\u00fckkan\u0131mda namaz k\u0131lard\u0131 resmen. Kendisinin seccadesi vard\u0131. Ona yeni seccade ald\u0131m hatta.<\/p>\n
Peki Merujan Bey, sizin akl\u0131n\u0131za tak\u0131lan, hat\u0131rlad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131z o zaman\u0131n ustalar\u0131ndan kimler vard\u0131? Kapal\u0131\u00e7ar\u015f\u0131\u2019dan olsun, Ay-Han\u2019dan olsun\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\nMG: Levon \u00c7ami\u00e7yan vard\u0131, Serviyan vard\u0131. Kemal G\u00fcndo\u011fdu vard\u0131, m\u00fc\u015fterilerden. Asil insanlard\u0131 bunlar. M\u00fcsl\u00fcman, gayrim\u00fcslim diye ay\u0131rmazlard\u0131. \u0130nsan diye bakarlard\u0131. Kapal\u0131\u00e7ar\u015f\u0131\u2019da \u00c7uhac\u0131 Han\u2019da Kahveci Avedis vard\u0131. Cumartesi g\u00fcnleri para topluyordu. Sadekarlar\u0131n elinde para yok ki. Ceketi d\u00fckkana b\u0131rak\u0131p g\u00f6mlekle d\u0131\u015far\u0131 \u00e7\u0131karlard\u0131. \u00c7\u0131rak yar\u0131m saat sonra ceketi g\u00f6t\u00fcr\u00fcrd\u00fc s\u00f6zle\u015ftikleri yere. Yani Kahveci\u2019nin \u00f6n\u00fcnden ge\u00e7erken \u201cDaha \u00e7\u0131km\u0131yorum\u201d havas\u0131 yarat\u0131rlard\u0131.. Avedis pazartesi g\u00f6rse de istemezdi paray\u0131, al\u0131\u015fm\u0131\u015flard\u0131 cumartesi diye. G\u00fczel bir ya\u015fant\u0131 vard\u0131. Paras\u0131n\u0131 yemezdi kimse kimsenin. Paras\u0131 var da vermemezlik yapm\u0131yordu yani, paras\u0131 olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131 i\u00e7in b\u00f6yleydi.<\/p>\n
AT: Ben bir liste haz\u0131rlad\u0131m, kim vard\u0131 kim yoktu, sayay\u0131m. Leon Saran, Azizyan, M\u00fcbarekyan, Aram Karan, Franguli, Mirican Tellalyan. Tellalyan A\u011fa Camii\u2019nin kar\u015f\u0131s\u0131ndayd\u0131, \u00e7ok gen\u00e7 rahmetli oldu. Sonra Hayk K\u00f6\u015fe, \u0130timat Ra\u015fel, Sar\u0131 Ko\u00e7o, Sotiri, Todori, Yani Senaki ve karde\u015fi Yorgo Senaki.. Santa-Maria Han\u0131\u2019nda \u00e7ok iyi ustalar vard\u0131. Yorgo Gli\u00e7er, Nisandros Vidalis ve karde\u015fi Niko Vidalis, Saran\u2019\u0131n yan\u0131nda handa Niko Kuzudis, yak\u0131\u015f\u0131kl\u0131 Rum bir \u00e7ocuktu o da, bir de yukar\u0131da Beyo\u011flu\u2019nda hemen Atlas Sinemas\u0131\u2019na gelmeden bir handa Foti vard\u0131. Zarmayr vard\u0131 sonra, \u00f6zel m\u00fc\u015fterisi olan bir kuyumcuydu. May\u0131s kuyumcusu vard\u0131. \u0130ki karde\u015flerdi, Agop ve So\u011fomon. Amerika\u2019ya gitti onlar da. Agop vefat etti.\u00a0 Allah rahmet etsin. Paolis vard\u0131. Saint Antoine\u2019in yan\u0131nda. Kocaman bir kuyumcu ma\u011fazas\u0131yd\u0131 oras\u0131, art\u0131k yerinde k\u00f6fteci var. Son ya\u015flar\u0131nda Amerika\u2019ya gitti Paolis de. Me\u015fhur bir cilac\u0131m\u0131z vard\u0131, cilac\u0131 Hayk Alyanak. O da \u015eato Pasaj\u0131\u2019nda \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131rd\u0131. G\u00fczel cila i\u015fleri yapard\u0131. Ke\u011fam Nubar vard\u0131. Cilac\u0131 Sarkis vard\u0131. Ay-Han\u2019da bir Sarkis daha vard\u0131.\u00a0 Kayserili Mugrik vard\u0131 bir de, onun karde\u015fi. Mugrik biraz fare tipliydi ama ak\u0131ll\u0131yd\u0131, Boston\u2019a gitti. Me\u015fhur olmu\u015f orada. Marko Yusuf , Tantana Sarkis, Kalemkar H\u0131ristaki, Metin Ta\u015f\u00e7\u0131, Ajda Pekkan\u2019\u0131n kuyumcusuydu Metin Ta\u015f\u00e7\u0131, g\u00fczel i\u015fler yapard\u0131 kendisi. Aleko vard\u0131, epey ya\u015flanm\u0131\u015ft\u0131 ama kendi halinde \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131rd\u0131. Yald\u0131zc\u0131 Ara vard\u0131. Amerikan Konsoloslu\u011fu\u2019nun hemen kar\u015f\u0131s\u0131nda. Oradaki sokakta yald\u0131zc\u0131l\u0131k yapard\u0131. Yukar\u0131da A\u011fa Camii\u2019ye do\u011fru Seno bulunuyordu, o da g\u00fczel bir kuyumcuydu ve kendi tarz\u0131nda i\u015f yapard\u0131.
\nHemen hemen hepsi rahmetli olmu\u015ftur. Hepsinin ruhu \u015fad olsun. \u00c7ok de\u011ferli ustalard\u0131.<\/p>\n
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