{"id":45063,"date":"2017-05-04T03:25:57","date_gmt":"2017-05-04T08:25:57","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?p=45063"},"modified":"2017-05-04T03:25:57","modified_gmt":"2017-05-04T08:25:57","slug":"masalyan-devlete-basvurmaliyiz","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?p=45063","title":{"rendered":"Ma\u015falyan: Devlete ba\u015fvurmal\u0131y\u0131z"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"Ma\u015falyan\"<\/a>Ma\u015falyan\u2019\u0131n a\u00e7\u0131klamas\u0131na g\u00f6re Ate\u015fyan \u015fu a\u015famada patrik se\u00e7imiyle ilgili devlete ba\u015fvurma fikrini reddediyor.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

Cumhurba\u015fkan\u0131 Erdo\u011fan\u2019\u0131n 24 Nisan\u2019da yay\u0131nlad\u0131\u011f\u0131 taziye mesaj\u0131nda Patriklik se\u00e7imlerine de\u011finmesi ve \u201cT\u00fcrkiye Ermenileri Patri\u011fi se\u00e7iminin k\u0131sa zamanda neticelenmesini temenni ediyor, \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131n\u0131zda sizlere muvaffakiyetler diliyorum\u201d ifadesini kullanmas\u0131 T\u00fcrkiye Ermeni toplumunda s\u00fcrecin h\u0131zlanaca\u011f\u0131na y\u00f6nelik bir beklenti yaratt\u0131. Bu geli\u015fmenin ard\u0131ndan Episkopos Sahak Ma\u015falyan ile Ba\u015fepiskopos Ate\u015fyan\u2019\u0131n bir g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fme ger\u00e7ekle\u015ftirdi\u011fi ortaya \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131. Kendisine bu g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fme ve son geli\u015fmelerle ilgili sorular y\u00f6neltti\u011fimiz Episkopos Ma\u015falyan sorular\u0131m\u0131za uzun bir yaz\u0131l\u0131 a\u00e7\u0131klama ile yan\u0131t vermeyi tercih etti. Ma\u015falyan\u2019\u0131n a\u00e7\u0131klamas\u0131na g\u00f6re Ate\u015fyan \u015fu a\u015famada devlete ba\u015fvurma fikrini reddediyor. Ma\u015falyan\u2019\u0131n yan\u0131tlar\u0131nda \u00f6ne \u00e7\u0131kan noktalar\u0131 yay\u0131nl\u0131yoruz.<\/p>\n

Her \u015feyden \u00f6nce say\u0131n Cumhurba\u015fkan\u0131m\u0131z\u0131n mesaj\u0131n\u0131n sadece bu b\u00f6l\u00fcm\u00fc de\u011fil, t\u00fcm i\u00e7eri\u011fi ve ruhu \u00e7ok olumlu ve teselli ediciydi. Bak\u0131n, tek bir c\u00fcmlesi bile cemaat i\u00e7i ya\u015fad\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z f\u0131rt\u0131nan\u0131n ortas\u0131nda ne y\u00f6ne gidece\u011fimizi bir deniz feneri gibi ayd\u0131nlat\u0131yor. Demek ki devlet mercileri sorunlar\u0131m\u0131z\u0131n fark\u0131nda ve takip ediyor. Demek ki cemaatimizin i\u00e7ine savruldu\u011fu dokuz y\u0131ld\u0131r ba\u015fs\u0131z var olma kaosu ve bunun \u00e7\u0131kard\u0131\u011f\u0131 g\u00fcr\u00fclt\u00fc devletin en \u00fcst mercilerine ula\u015fm\u0131\u015f ve hatta onlar\u0131 da rahats\u0131z etmeye ba\u015flam\u0131\u015f. Bu konuda devletin bir engellemesi olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131n, tam tersine cesaretlendirici bir tav\u0131r i\u00e7inde oldu\u011funu art\u0131k biliyoruz. Bu iyi bir haber ama\u2026<\/p>\n

Amas\u0131 \u015fu ki, bu bir Cumhurba\u015fkan\u0131 temennisi olarak kalabilir, e\u011fer biz gereken ad\u0131mlar\u0131 atmaz ve \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmazsak. Asl\u0131nda dikkatli bir okuyucu c\u00fcmlenin sonundaki \u201c\u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131n\u0131zda sizlere muvaffakiyetler diliyorum\u201d temennisinde ele\u015ftirel ton bulundu\u011funu sezinler. \u201cSiz \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmal\u0131 ve Patri\u011finizi se\u00e7melisiniz. Dokuz y\u0131ld\u0131r muvaffak olamad\u0131n\u0131z, in\u015fallah, art\u0131k olursunuz,\u201d manas\u0131na da geliyor olabilir bu temenni.<\/p>\n

Devlet bilgilendirilmeli<\/strong><\/p>\n

Peki bundan sonra ne olabilir? Elbette Kilise hukuku ba\u015fvuru noktam\u0131z olmal\u0131. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc en nihayetinde bu dini bir konu ve devleti sadece belli noktalarda ilgilendiriyor. Say\u0131n Cumhurba\u015fkan\u0131n\u0131n temennisi de asl\u0131nda devletin bu konuda ba\u015fat olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131n alt\u0131n\u0131 \u00e7iziyor. Yoksa \u2018Patrik se\u00e7menize izin verdik, verece\u011fiz\u2019 \u015feklinde bir beyanda bulunurlard\u0131. Kilise patrik se\u00e7imi beyan\u0131nda bulunmadan devlet \u2018patrik se\u00e7melisiniz\u2019 demez. Bizim kilise meclislerimizce patrik se\u00e7imine ili\u015fkin al\u0131nan kararla ve ard\u0131ndan bir m\u00fcte\u015febbis heyetin se\u00e7imiyle s\u00fcre\u00e7 siville\u015fmeye ba\u015flar. \u0130\u015fte bu noktada devlet bilgilendirilmeli ve bir halk se\u00e7imi i\u00e7in bir kereli\u011fine mahsus bir se\u00e7im talimatnamesi rica edilmelidir. Devlete yap\u0131lacak bu ba\u015fvuruya kadar patrik se\u00e7imi salt kilise hukukuyla i\u015fleyen bir s\u00fcre\u00e7tir. Biz de kilise hukukumuza dayanarak, Ruhaniler Genel Meclisi taraf\u0131ndan 26 Ekim 2016\u2019da hasta patri\u011fimizi, emekliye sevk ettik. Makam bo\u015f oldu\u011fu i\u00e7in yeni bir patrik se\u00e7imi s\u00fcrecini ba\u015flatt\u0131k. 15 Mart 2017 Ruhaniler Genel Meclisi De\u011fabah se\u00e7ti. On g\u00fcn sonra bir m\u00fcte\u015febbis heyet kurularak devlete se\u00e7im ba\u015fvurusunda bulunulacakt\u0131. Yani devleti ilgilendiren s\u00fcre\u00e7 bu noktada ba\u015flamal\u0131yd\u0131. Ama olmad\u0131.<\/p>\n

\u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc devlet 26 Ekim kararlar\u0131ndan haberdar edilmemi\u015fti. Bunun i\u00e7in de vali yard\u0131mc\u0131s\u0131ndan gelen mektup de\u011fabah se\u00e7me s\u00fcrecinin hukuksuz oldu\u011funu s\u00f6yl\u00fcyordu.<\/p>\n

Gidip derdimizi anlataca\u011f\u0131z<\/strong><\/p>\n

Asl\u0131na bak\u0131l\u0131rsa yukar\u0131da anlatt\u0131klar\u0131m\u0131n \u0131\u015f\u0131\u011f\u0131nda gayet hukuksal bir s\u00fcre\u00e7ten ge\u00e7erek biz de\u011fabah se\u00e7tik. \u00dcstelik sadece kilise hukukuna g\u00f6re de\u011fil, Ermeni Nizamnamesi h\u00fck\u00fcmlerine g\u00f6re de s\u00fcre\u00e7 b\u00f6yle i\u015flemeliydi. Bak\u0131n patrik se\u00e7imine ili\u015fkin 2. Madde ne diyor: \u201cPatrikli\u011fin bo\u015f kalmas\u0131 durumunda, ruhani ve cismani meclisler birle\u015ferek bir genel kaymakam (de\u011fabah) belirleyip Bab\u0131ali\u2019den tasdikini isterler.\u201d Yani biz devleti de\u011fabah se\u00e7iminden \u00f6nce de\u011fil, sonra bildirmeliyiz. Yap\u0131lacak olan da budur. Bu s\u00fcre\u00e7ler konusunda bizim de devletin de kafas\u0131n\u0131n biraz kar\u0131\u015f\u0131k olmas\u0131 do\u011fald\u0131r. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc tarihte b\u00f6yle bir durumla ilk kez kar\u015f\u0131la\u015fma \u015fanss\u0131zl\u0131\u011f\u0131na maruz kald\u0131k. Ancak Cumhurba\u015fkan\u0131m\u0131z\u0131n mektubu y\u00fcre\u011fimize su serpti. Bu konularda bizi anlay\u0131\u015fla kar\u015f\u0131layacak bir devlet iradesiyle muhatap oldu\u011fumuz anla\u015f\u0131ld\u0131. Hukuksuzluk yok, belki usul hatas\u0131 olabilir. Gidip derdimizi anlataca\u011f\u0131z.<\/p>\n

S\u00fcre\u00e7 nas\u0131l ilerleyecek?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Mutlaka en k\u0131sa zamanda usul hatam\u0131z giderilmeli ve devlet Patrik makam\u0131n\u0131n nas\u0131l ve neye dayanarak bo\u015fald\u0131\u011f\u0131 konusunda bilgilendirilmeli. Sonra gecikme makul bir dille izah edilmeli. De\u011fabah se\u00e7imi de yasada \u00f6ng\u00f6r\u00fcld\u00fc\u011f\u00fc gibi bildirilerek m\u00fcte\u015febbis heyeti kurma a\u015famas\u0131na gelmeliyiz. T\u00fcm bunlar say\u0131n Cumhurba\u015fkan\u0131m\u0131z\u0131n muvaffakiyetler diledi\u011fi, ama bizim \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmam\u0131z gereken ev \u00f6devlerimizdir. Burada zorluk \u00e7ift ba\u015fl\u0131 gibi duran kilise hiyerar\u015fisini bir d\u00fczene sokamamaktan kaynaklan\u0131yor. Kim devletle ba\u011f\u0131 kuracak? Yaz\u0131\u015fmalar kimlerin imzas\u0131yla yap\u0131lacak? Vekil mi, de\u011fabah m\u0131 yoksa Ruhani Meclis ba\u015fkan\u0131 ya da Ruhaniler Genel Meclisi Divan\u0131 m\u0131 yetkili olacak? Bunlar\u0131n \u00f6nceden bilinmesinde fayda var. Yaz\u0131l\u0131 ba\u015fvurulardan \u00f6nce resmi mercilerle isti\u015farelerde bulunulmas\u0131 ka\u00e7\u0131n\u0131lmazd\u0131r. Son VAD\u0130P Koordinasyon Kurulu toplant\u0131s\u0131nda, kurul \u00fcyeleri ve De\u011fabah say\u0131n Karekin Ba\u015fepiskopos Bek\u00e7iyan bu irtibatlar\u0131 Say\u0131n Bedros \u015eirino\u011flu\u2019nun kurmas\u0131 ricas\u0131nda bulundular. Kendileri de elinden geleni yapma s\u00f6z\u00fc verdi. Mu\u011flakl\u0131klar\u0131n giderilip, s\u00fcrecin berrakla\u015fmas\u0131n\u0131n \u00e7ok uzun s\u00fcrece\u011fini zannetmiyorum.<\/p>\n

Mevcut durumu a\u015fmak<\/strong><\/p>\n

Peki, \u00e7ift ba\u015fl\u0131 gibi duran Kilise hiyerar\u015fisi sorununu a\u015fmak ve De\u011fabah ile vekili bulu\u015fturmak m\u00fcmk\u00fcn m\u00fc? Bunun yolu asl\u0131nda \u00a0var. Karekin srpazan bunu \u00f6nerdi ama dedikleri maalesef sa\u011f\u0131r kulaklara d\u00fc\u015ft\u00fc. Devlet bu konuda ayd\u0131nlat\u0131l\u0131p bilgilendirilene ve se\u00e7im s\u00fcrecinin \u00f6n\u00fc resmi olarak a\u00e7\u0131lana dek devletin halihaz\u0131rda tan\u0131d\u0131\u011f\u0131 patrik genel vekili resmi i\u015flerde imza yetkisini kullans\u0131n. Patrikhanenin finansal i\u015flerinde imza yetkisi kendisinde olsun ve ayn\u0131 zamanda Lusararabedlik(t\u00f6ren sorumlusu) g\u00f6revini de s\u00fcrd\u00fcrs\u00fcn. Ama bunlar\u0131n \u00fcst\u00fcnde, kilise hiyerar\u015fisinde en tepede olmas\u0131 gereken De\u011fabah\u0131n yetkilerini tan\u0131s\u0131n ve bunun sembol\u00fc olarak patrikhanede De\u011fabah i\u00e7in bir ofis yeri haz\u0131rlans\u0131n. Elbette se\u00e7im s\u00fcrecinin \u00f6n\u00fc resmi olarak a\u00e7\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131nda ikisinin bir arada y\u00fcr\u00fct\u00fclmesi kilise hukukuna g\u00f6re imkans\u0131zd\u0131r. Bunu en iyi bilenlerden biri de say\u0131n Aram srpazand\u0131r. B\u00f6yle bir uyum az \u00f6nce s\u00f6z\u00fcn\u00fc etti\u011fim resmi ba\u015fvurularda gayet i\u015fe yarayacak ve i\u015fleri \u00e7ok \u00e7ok kolayla\u015ft\u0131racakt\u0131r.<\/p>\n

Ate\u015fyan i\u015fbirli\u011fine yana\u015f\u0131r m\u0131?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Soru \u015fu: Peki Aram srpazan b\u00f6yle bir uyuma ve i\u015f birli\u011fine yana\u015f\u0131r m\u0131? Bence herkesin ve kendisinin de hayr\u0131na olacak b\u00f6yle bir \u00f6neriden daha iyisini biliyorsa, onu yapal\u0131m. Ruhaniler Genel Meclisi\u2019nde se\u00e7ilmi\u015f, Ermeni toplumu taraf\u0131ndan ve t\u00fcm Ermeni Kilisesince ve Surp E\u00e7miadzin nezdinde De\u011fabah olarak tan\u0131nm\u0131\u015f bir ba\u015fepiskoposa, \u201csen \u015fimdi git, ben istedi\u011fim zaman gelir, de\u011fabahl\u0131k yapars\u0131n\u201d demenin hi\u00e7bir mant\u0131\u011f\u0131 yok. \u00dcstelik bunu talep etmeye ne yetkisi ne de hakk\u0131 var. Art\u0131k kendisi Ermeni Apostolik Kilisesi nezdinde herhangi bir ba\u015fepiskopostur. Ba\u015f vekillik yetkilerini De\u011fabaha ra\u011fmen kullanmas\u0131 bir makam i\u015fgalidir. Biz \u015fimdiye kadar bunlar\u0131 y\u00fcksek sesle dillendirmedik. Bar\u0131\u015f\u0131 se\u00e7tik. Ama bu sonsuza kadar ko\u015fulsuz b\u00f6yle gidemez. Aram srpazan\u0131n bu bar\u0131\u015f ve sessizlik d\u00f6nemini iyi kullanmas\u0131 gerekir. Bu f\u0131rt\u0131nadan \u00f6nceki sessizlik de olabilir, bereketli May\u0131s ya\u011fmurlar\u0131n\u0131 getirecek sessizlik de. Bu biraz da Aram srpazan\u0131n tutumuyla ilgili. Ben ilk ad\u0131m\u0131 att\u0131m. Dostluk ve bar\u0131\u015f ad\u0131na ona elimi uzatt\u0131m. O da reddetmedi. Umar\u0131m bu diyalog buzlar\u0131 eritir.<\/p>\n

Ate\u015fyan ile bulu\u015fma<\/strong><\/p>\n

Bu \u00e7er\u00e7evede ge\u00e7en cuma patrikhanedeki ofisinde say\u0131n Aram srpazan\u0131 ziyaret ettim. Dost\u00e7a bir sohbetimiz oldu. Cumhurba\u015fkan\u0131m\u0131z\u0131n mektubuyla ilgili g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015f al\u0131\u015fveri\u015finde bulunduk. Kendisine devlete ba\u015fvurmam\u0131z gerekti\u011fini s\u00f6yledim. Patriklik makam\u0131n\u0131n bo\u015fald\u0131\u011f\u0131na ili\u015fkin rapor, belge ve mektuplarla devlete m\u00fcracaat etme \u00f6nerisinde bulundum. Madem ki devlet halen kendisini vekil tan\u0131yor, geciken ba\u015fvuru dilek\u00e7elerini ikimizin imzalayarak verilmesini \u00f6nerdim. Kendisi reddetti. Devletin zaten her \u015feyi bildi\u011fini, uygun zamanda bize izin verece\u011fini, onu beklememiz gerekti\u011fini s\u00f6yledi. Ben kendisine, devletin biz istemeden hi\u00e7bir zaman bize patrik se\u00e7memiz gerekti\u011fini s\u00f6ylemeyece\u011fini, mutlaka yaz\u0131l\u0131 olarak belgeleriyle makam\u0131n bo\u015f oldu\u011funu ve se\u00e7im s\u00fcrecini ba\u015flatt\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z\u0131 bildirmemiz \u015fart oldu\u011funu hat\u0131rlatt\u0131m. Ama bunun kendi g\u00f6revi olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131, isteyenin istedi\u011fini yapmakta serbest oldu\u011funu s\u00f6yledi. Ancak devletten gelecek herhangi bir \u00f6neriyle, her \u015feye a\u00e7\u0131k oldu\u011funun sinyalini de verdi. \u00d6yle ki Aram srpazan da bizim gibi resmi mercilerle kurulacak diyalo\u011fun sonucunu bekliyor.<\/p>\n

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Ma\u015falyan\u2019\u0131n a\u00e7\u0131klamas\u0131na g\u00f6re Ate\u015fyan \u015fu a\u015famada patrik se\u00e7imiyle ilgili devlete ba\u015fvurma fikrini reddediyor. Cumhurba\u015fkan\u0131 Erdo\u011fan\u2019\u0131n 24 Nisan\u2019da yay\u0131nlad\u0131\u011f\u0131 taziye mesaj\u0131nda Patriklik se\u00e7imlerine de\u011finmesi ve \u201cT\u00fcrkiye Ermenileri Patri\u011fi se\u00e7iminin k\u0131sa zamanda neticelenmesini temenni ediyor, \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131n\u0131zda sizlere muvaffakiyetler diliyorum\u201d ifadesini kullanmas\u0131 T\u00fcrkiye Ermeni toplumunda s\u00fcrecin h\u0131zlanaca\u011f\u0131na y\u00f6nelik bir beklenti yaratt\u0131. 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