{"id":44290,"date":"2017-03-15T02:38:11","date_gmt":"2017-03-15T07:38:11","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?p=44290"},"modified":"2017-03-15T02:38:11","modified_gmt":"2017-03-15T07:38:11","slug":"atesyanin-degabah-secilmesinin-ne-kadar-tehlikeli-oldugunu-goremeyenler-var","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?p=44290","title":{"rendered":"\u201cAte\u015fyan\u2019\u0131n de\u011fabah se\u00e7ilmesinin ne kadar tehlikeli oldu\u011funu g\u00f6remeyenler var\u201d"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><a href=\"http:\/\/www.agos.com.tr\/tr\/yazar\/20\/yetvart-danzikyan\"><strong><a href=\"http:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?attachment_id=44291\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-44291\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-44291\" src=\"http:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/03\/\u054d\u0561\u0570\u0561\u056f-\u0535\u057a\u057d.-\u0544\u0561\u0577\u0561\u056c\u0565\u0561\u0576-360x239.jpg\" alt=\"\u054d\u0561\u0570\u0561\u056f \u0535\u057a\u057d. \u0544\u0561\u0577\u0561\u056c\u0565\u0561\u0576\" width=\"360\" height=\"239\" srcset=\"https:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/6\/2017\/03\/\u054d\u0561\u0570\u0561\u056f-\u0535\u057a\u057d.-\u0544\u0561\u0577\u0561\u056c\u0565\u0561\u0576-360x239.jpg 360w, https:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/6\/2017\/03\/\u054d\u0561\u0570\u0561\u056f-\u0535\u057a\u057d.-\u0544\u0561\u0577\u0561\u056c\u0565\u0561\u0576-560x372.jpg 560w, https:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/6\/2017\/03\/\u054d\u0561\u0570\u0561\u056f-\u0535\u057a\u057d.-\u0544\u0561\u0577\u0561\u056c\u0565\u0561\u0576-260x173.jpg 260w, https:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/6\/2017\/03\/\u054d\u0561\u0570\u0561\u056f-\u0535\u057a\u057d.-\u0544\u0561\u0577\u0561\u056c\u0565\u0561\u0576-160x106.jpg 160w, https:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/6\/2017\/03\/\u054d\u0561\u0570\u0561\u056f-\u0535\u057a\u057d.-\u0544\u0561\u0577\u0561\u056c\u0565\u0561\u0576.jpg 660w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 360px) 100vw, 360px\" \/><\/a>Yetvart Danzikyan<\/strong><\/a><\/p>\n<h4 style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u0130stifas\u0131 yank\u0131 ve tart\u0131\u015fma yaratan, Patrik se\u00e7iminin do\u011fal adaylar\u0131ndan Episkopos Sahak Ma\u015falyan 11 Mart Cumartesi g\u00fcn\u00fc Radyo Agos\u2019ta, Agos gazetesi genel yay\u0131n y\u00f6netmeni Yetvart Danzikyan\u2019\u0131n sorular\u0131n\u0131 yan\u0131tlad\u0131. Ma\u015falyan de\u011fabah se\u00e7imi ve Beykoz arazisi ile ilgili tart\u0131\u015fmalara y\u00f6nelik \u00f6nemli mesajlar verdi.<\/h4>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><em>Danzikyan\u2019\u0131n sorular\u0131 ve Ma\u015falyan\u2019\u0131n yan\u0131tlar\u0131 \u015f\u00f6yle:\u00a0<\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Konu\u011fumuz bir s\u00fcre \u00f6nce Ruhani Kurul Ba\u015fkanla\u011f\u0131ndan istifa eden Episkopos Sahak Ma\u015falyan. Ho\u015fgeldiniz. E\u00e7miadzin temaslar\u0131 ile ba\u015flamak istiyorum. T\u00fcm D\u00fcnya Ermenileri Karekin II\u2019nin ba\u015fkanl\u0131k etti\u011fi bir toplant\u0131 oldu iki hafta \u00f6nce. Patrik Genel vekili Ate\u015fyan, Almanya Ermenileri Ruhani \u00d6nderi Ba\u015fepiskopos Bek\u00e7iyan ve Ermenistan\u2019da Gugark B\u00f6lgesi Dini \u00d6nderi \u00c7ulciyan\u2019\u0131n yan\u0131s\u0131ra siz de kat\u0131ld\u0131n\u0131z.\u00a0 Oradan kritik kararlar \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131. En kritik karar herhalde Patrik Genel Vekili Ate\u015fyan\u2019\u0131n de\u011fabah yani kaymakam se\u00e7imi ile birlikte g\u00f6revini b\u0131rakmas\u0131 y\u00f6n\u00fcndeydi. Zira daha \u00f6nce 16 \u015eubat\u2019ta Patrikhane\u2019de yap\u0131lan protokolde de\u011fabah se\u00e7ilse bile Ate\u015fyan\u2019\u0131n patrik genel vekilli\u011fi g\u00f6revini s\u00fcrd\u00fcrmesi \u00f6ng\u00f6r\u00fclm\u00fc\u015ft\u00fc.\u00a0 O karar E\u00e7miadzin\u2019den d\u00f6nm\u00fc\u015f oldu. Nas\u0131l ge\u00e7ti toplant\u0131?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u00d6ncelikle Per\u015fembe g\u00fcnk\u00fc protokolle ba\u015flamak laz\u0131m. Per\u015fembe g\u00fcnk\u00fc toplant\u0131da panik havas\u0131 vard\u0131 ve kar\u015f\u0131daki salonda b\u00fcy\u00fck pat\u0131rt\u0131, anar\u015fi \u00e7\u0131kacak beklentisi vard\u0131. Benim oradaki sayg\u0131n insanlarla \u00fc\u00e7 saate yak\u0131n tart\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131m de\u011fabahla vekilin ayn\u0131 anda y\u00fcr\u00fct\u00fclmemesi y\u00f6n\u00fcndeydi. Ama onlar \u00a0\u201cOlur, Aram S\u0131rpazan istiyorsa olur\u201d diyorlard\u0131. Bunun olmayaca\u011f\u0131n\u0131 Aram S\u0131rpazan da biliyordu ama bir \u015fekilde ne pahas\u0131na olsun o koltukta kalmak istiyordu, ki halen istiyor kendisi. Ve bir \u015fekilde bar\u0131\u015f ad\u0131na olmayacak protokol\u00fc imzalamak zorunda kald\u0131m.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Siz \u00e7ok sert bir dille istifa ettiniz, ak\u015fam\u0131nda d\u00fczenlenen VAD\u0130P toplant\u0131s\u0131na kat\u0131ld\u0131n\u0131z. Bu geli\u015fmenin ard\u0131ndan \u00fc\u00e7 g\u00fcn sonra o gizli toplant\u0131ya kat\u0131lman\u0131z geni\u015f bir kesim taraf\u0131ndan anla\u015f\u0131lamad\u0131. Siz o toplant\u0131ya neden kat\u0131ld\u0131n\u0131z ve protokole ne i\u00e7in imza att\u0131n\u0131z?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">O \u00f6nceden kararla\u015ft\u0131r\u0131lm\u0131\u015f bir toplant\u0131 de\u011fildi. Ben bir dostumla yemekteydim. Yemekteyken Melkon Karak\u00f6se telefon a\u00e7t\u0131, b\u00f6yle bir toplant\u0131 oldu\u011funu ve \u00e7ok \u00f6nemli oldu\u011funu, gelmem gerekti\u011fini s\u00f6yledi. Kimler oldu\u011funu sordum, verdi\u011fi isimler k\u0131ramayaca\u011f\u0131m isimlerdi ve kat\u0131ld\u0131m. Toplant\u0131ya kat\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131mda hemen herkesin Aram S\u0131rpazan\u2019\u0131n yak\u0131n dostu oldu\u011funu g\u00f6rd\u00fcm. O da belki bir ba\u015fka sinirlenme vesilesi oldu. O protokol imzaland\u0131 ama oradaki insanlar da ho\u015fnut kalmad\u0131lar benim onlara s\u00f6yledi\u011fim s\u00f6zlerden.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Toplant\u0131da da sert tart\u0131\u015fmalar ge\u00e7ti\u011fi iddia ediliyor, hatta iti\u015fmelere var\u0131ncaya kadar?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Yok o kadar olmad\u0131 ama orada yap\u0131lmas\u0131 gereken \u015fey \u00e7ok a\u00e7\u0131kt\u0131: Aram S\u0131rpazan\u2019\u0131n bu dostlar\u0131 (ayn\u0131 zamanda benim de dostlar\u0131m, ama ona daha yak\u0131nlar) dokuz y\u0131ld\u0131r ne i\u00e7in bu toplant\u0131y\u0131 d\u00fczenlemedikleri ve onu se\u00e7ime ikna etmedikleri soruldu\u011funda hatalar\u0131n\u0131 kabul ettiler. \u201cBu geceyi kurtarmak zorunday\u0131z, bu gece \u00e7ok b\u00fcy\u00fck \u015feyler olacak, b\u00fct\u00fcn k\u00f6t\u00fc \u015feylerin de sebebi sen olacaks\u0131n, biz her yerde sen anla\u015fma yapmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n i\u00e7in kar\u0131\u015f\u0131kl\u0131klar \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131 diyece\u011fiz\u201d dediler. Bir t\u00fcr \u015fantaj yap\u0131ld\u0131 bana orada, ama tatl\u0131 bir \u015fantajd\u0131, beni de kurtarmay\u0131 ama\u00e7layan bir \u015fantajd\u0131. Ama en nihayetinde orada ba\u015fka herhangi bir kar\u015f\u0131t g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015f\u00fc savunan y\u00f6netici yoktu. \u00dc\u00e7 saat ben kar\u015f\u0131daki toplant\u0131ya kat\u0131lmalar\u0131n\u0131 s\u00f6yledim, ondan sonra ertesi g\u00fcn b\u00f6yle bir toplant\u0131 d\u00fczenleriz dedim<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Ele\u015ftiriler \u0131\u015f\u0131\u011f\u0131nda soruyorum, o toplant\u0131dan \u00e7\u0131kamaz m\u0131yd\u0131n\u0131z? \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc bildiriniz istifa etmek \u00fczerineydi, T\u00fcrkiye\u2019yi terk etmek \u00fczerineydi. Bunlar\u0131 s\u00f6yledikten birka\u00e7 g\u00fcn sonra o toplant\u0131ya kat\u0131lman\u0131z\u0131 anlayamad\u0131 insanlar?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Benim amac\u0131m \u00fcz\u00fcm yemekti ba\u011fc\u0131y\u0131 d\u00f6vmek de\u011fildi. Bizim sorunumuz sadece Aram S\u0131rpazan de\u011fil. Bizim sorunumuz patrik se\u00e7iminin \u00f6n\u00fcn\u00fcn a\u00e7\u0131lmas\u0131yd\u0131. O protokol iyi okunursa sadece tepki \u00e7eken o iki madde yok.. \u0130\u015flemeyecek bir protokold\u00fc zaten ,ben yazd\u0131m. \u0130\u015flemeyece\u011fini biliyordum, \u00f6l\u00fc do\u011fmu\u015f bir protokol verdim mecburiyetten. Ama b\u00fct\u00fcn maddelere bak\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131nda se\u00e7imi garantileyen bir protokold\u00fc ve benim de istedi\u011fim \u015fey buydu. Dolay\u0131s\u0131yla ben amac\u0131ma ula\u015ft\u0131m benim amac\u0131m \u2018Her ne pahas\u0131na olursa olsun Aram S\u0131rpazan istifa etsin, bu toplumda yok edilsin\u2019 de\u011fildi. O da bizim s\u0131rpazan\u0131m\u0131z benim ruhani karde\u015fim \u015fu ya da bu \u015fekilde cemaate faydalar\u0131 dokunmu\u015f birisi. Bu gibi sosyal konular hi\u00e7bir zaman tek bir ki\u015finin sorumlulu\u011funa ve tekeline b\u0131rak\u0131lmaz. Protokol\u00fc imzalatan ki\u015filer patriklik se\u00e7iminin bu g\u00fcne kadar aksamas\u0131nda en az Aram S\u0131rpazan kadar sorumlu olan ki\u015filer. Zaman ge\u00e7tik\u00e7e de ortaya \u00e7\u0131kacak. \u015eu anki konumuz de\u011fabah se\u00e7imi ve halen Aram S\u0131rpazan\u2019\u0131n de\u011fabah olmas\u0131n\u0131n se\u00e7im s\u00fcreci i\u00e7in ne kadar tehlikeli oldu\u011funu g\u00f6remeyen ki\u015filer var. Bir \u015fekilde b\u00fct\u00fcn se\u00e7ilme umutlar\u0131n\u0131 yitirmi\u015f bir de\u011fabah yine elinden geldi\u011fince de\u011fabahl\u0131k s\u00fcresini uzatmaya \u00e7al\u0131\u015facak. Ger\u00e7i biz Ermenistan\u2019daki g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmeler sonucu ald\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z ilke kararlar\u0131yla \u00f6n\u00fcne ge\u00e7meye \u00e7al\u0131\u015ft\u0131k. 6 ay sonra yap\u0131lacak g\u00fcvenoyu o y\u00fczden getirildi. Bunu da Karekin Katolikosumuz \u00f6nerdi. Bize de uygun geldi, ayn\u0131 zamanda her ay yap\u0131lan \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalarla ilgili halk\u0131 ayd\u0131nlatmak maddesi var.<\/p>\n<h4 style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u201cDe\u011fabah olma dedik\u201d<\/h4>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>E\u00e7miadzin\u2019deki temaslara gelebiliriz art\u0131k. Nas\u0131l ge\u00e7ti toplant\u0131, sert tart\u0131\u015fmalar oldu mu? Aram S\u0131rpazan\u2019\u0131 ikna etmeye \u00e7al\u0131\u015ft\u0131n\u0131z m\u0131?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Pek \u00e7oklar\u0131n sand\u0131\u011f\u0131 gibi bizim Aram S\u0131rpazan\u2019la ili\u015fkilerimiz hi\u00e7bir zaman sert d\u00fczeylere gelmez, gelmezdi. En sert zamanlarda bile diyalo\u011fa a\u00e7\u0131k bir ili\u015fkimiz vard\u0131. Prensipler y\u00fcz\u00fcnden kavgal\u0131 durumlara d\u00fc\u015febiliriz ama bu ba\u015fka t\u00fcrl\u00fc a\u00e7\u0131k kavgalara d\u00f6n\u00fc\u015fecek bir \u015fekil asla alamaz.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Ermenistan\u2019daki g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmelerimiz \u00e7ok iyi, dost\u00e7a ge\u00e7ti. Defalarca birlikte yemek yedik, sohbet ettik ve b\u00fct\u00fcn bunlarda Aram S\u0131rpazan\u2019la y\u00fcz y\u00fczeydik. 9 y\u0131l boyunca yap\u0131lan yanl\u0131\u015flar, hangi yanl\u0131\u015flar\u0131 se\u00e7im s\u00fcrecini t\u0131kad\u0131, neleri do\u011fru yapsayd\u0131 \u015fimdi biz \u00e7oktan patrik se\u00e7mi\u015f olurduk, onlar\u0131 anlatmaya \u00e7al\u0131\u015ft\u0131m. Kendisine \u2018Hem senin i\u00e7in iyi olur, hem cemaat i\u00e7in iyi olur De\u011fabah aday\u0131 olma sen\u2019 dedik. Karekin Bek\u00e7iyan\u2019\u0131 getirelim, gelsin y\u0131llar\u0131n tecr\u00fcbesi var kendisinde, a\u011f\u0131r ba\u015fl\u0131 ve tarafs\u0131zl\u0131kla se\u00e7im s\u00fcrecini y\u00f6netsin. Y\u0131pranmam\u0131\u015f bir isim, halk\u0131n da g\u00fcvendi\u011fi isimle yola devam edelim&#8230; \u015eimdiye kadar ikna edemedik kendisini.<\/p>\n<h4 style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u201cOnurlar\u0131n\u0131 kurtars\u0131nlar\u201d<\/h4>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Ge\u00e7ti\u011fimiz haftalarda yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131z a\u00e7\u0131klamalarda de\u011fabahl\u0131k se\u00e7imi i\u00e7in Karekin Bek\u00e7iyan\u2019\u0131 i\u015faret ettiniz, neden Bek\u00e7iyan\u2019\u0131 i\u015faret ettiniz?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Birincisi \u015fu konuyu a\u00e7\u0131klamak isterim baz\u0131lar\u0131 zannediyor ki Sahak S\u0131rpazan\u2019\u0131n patrik olma sevdas\u0131 var. O istifa ve \u00fclkeyi terk etmek karar\u0131 hayat\u0131m\u0131n en zor kararlar\u0131yd\u0131. Ben bu m\u00fccadeleyi patrik olmak i\u00e7in yapm\u0131yorum, koltuk i\u00e7in de yapm\u0131yorum. Beni tan\u0131yanlar bilirler, bu patriklik se\u00e7imi s\u00fcreci ba\u015flad\u0131\u011f\u0131nda ben adayl\u0131ktan vazge\u00e7tim ve insanlar bilmiyorlar o yedi sene \u00f6nceki s\u00fcreci. Ben Aram S\u0131rpazan\u2019a gidip \u201cAday de\u011filim \u201cdememle Aram S\u0131rpazan o s\u00fcreci ba\u015flatt\u0131. Ben iki sene \u00f6nce yine Aram S\u0131rpazan\u2019a dedim ki \u2018Senin i\u00e7in tekrar \u00e7ekilirim yeter ki bu halk\u0131n se\u00e7ilmi\u015f bir patri\u011fi olsun. Sen de oturacaksan patrik olarak otur \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc bu ba\u015fs\u0131zl\u0131k bizi \u00f6ld\u00fcr\u00fcyor.\u2019 Ama Aram S\u0131rpazan onu da istemedi \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc se\u00e7im istemedi, ba\u015fka planlar\u0131 vard\u0131 Patrik se\u00e7mek i\u00e7in. Dolay\u0131s\u0131yla birincisi Sahak S\u0131rpazan koltuk sevdal\u0131s\u0131 de\u011fil, de\u011fabahl\u0131k da prestijli bir koltuktur, elbette ki uygun g\u00f6rseydim ben de adayl\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131 koyard\u0131m, yaln\u0131z bu \u00e7ok s\u0131n\u0131rl\u0131 say\u0131da din adam\u0131n\u0131n se\u00e7ece\u011fi bir se\u00e7im. Son \u00e7\u0131k\u0131\u015f\u0131mda kulland\u0131\u011f\u0131m baz\u0131 a\u011f\u0131r tabirler dolay\u0131s\u0131yla baz\u0131 din adamlar\u0131n\u0131n tepkisini \u00e7ekmi\u015f olabilirim, bu \u00e7ok nazik oylamada bu tepkiyle Aram S\u0131rpazan da de\u011fbah se\u00e7ilebilir. O y\u00fczden diyorum ki De\u011fabahl\u0131k i\u00e7in beni se\u00e7meyin, beni d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnenler Karekin Bek\u00e7iyan\u2019a versinler oylar\u0131n\u0131, halk\u0131 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcns\u00fcnler. Birazc\u0131k da kendi onurlar\u0131n\u0131 kurtars\u0131nlar. Belli bir s\u00fcredir art\u0131k suiistimalleri ortaya \u00e7\u0131km\u0131\u015f bir aday\u0131 tekrar de\u011fabah se\u00e7tirmek kendileri i\u00e7in de sorun. Bu d\u00f6nemde g\u00f6r\u00fcyoruz ki halk din adamlar\u0131n\u0131n da \u00fcst\u00fcne gitmeye ba\u015flad\u0131. Zannediyorum ki ben de Sebuh S\u0131rpazan da en uygun de\u011fabah aday\u0131 olarak Karekin S\u0131rpazan\u2019\u0131 g\u00f6r\u00fcyoruz. Bir de ge\u00e7mi\u015fteki ac\u0131 tecr\u00fcbeler var Aram S\u0131rpazan\u2019la ilgili. Di\u011fer patrik adaylar\u0131 Aram S\u0131rpazan\u2019\u0131n de\u011fabahl\u0131\u011f\u0131nda kendilerini tan\u0131tmak, propaganda yapmak i\u00e7in e\u015fit olanaklar tan\u0131naca\u011f\u0131ndan \u00e7ok \u015f\u00fcpheliler. Dolay\u0131s\u0131yla Karekin S\u0131rpazan bu konuda daha adil olacakt\u0131r.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>De\u011fabah se\u00e7iminde kimler oy kullanabiliyor?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Kilise takviminde ismi yazan papaz ve daha \u00fcst r\u00fctbeli din adamlar\u0131, yurt d\u0131\u015f\u0131nda din adaml\u0131\u011f\u0131 yapan rahipler oy kullanabiliyorlar. Toplam oy kullanabilecek 30 ki\u015fi var. 15 Mart\u2019ta saat 15\u2019de ba\u015flayacak oylama.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Oylama i\u015flemi nas\u0131l olacak?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u00d6ncelikle bir se\u00e7im divan\u0131 olu\u015fturulacak. Divan olu\u015ftuktan sonra divan ba\u015fkan\u0131 s\u00f6z vermeye ba\u015flar ve insanlar konu\u015furlar. \u0130nsanlar fikirlerini a\u00e7\u0131klarlar, tart\u0131\u015f\u0131rlar, adaylara s\u00f6z verilir. Daha sonra gizli oylamaya ge\u00e7ilir, \u015fu anda zaten biliniyor 2 aday oldu\u011fu. Daha \u00f6nceden yaz\u0131l\u0131r, ya ayr\u0131 ayr\u0131 yaz\u0131lacak ya da bir arada yaz\u0131lacak, kapal\u0131 oylamayla yap\u0131lacak. Orada de\u011fabah aday\u0131 olmayaca\u011f\u0131m\u0131 a\u00e7\u0131klayaca\u011f\u0131m, orada oylar b\u00f6l\u00fcnmesin diye. \u015eu ya da bu \u015fekilde Aram S\u0131rpazan patrikhanenin ba\u015f\u0131nda bulunuyor ve din adamlar\u0131 onu g\u00f6rd\u00fcler onla \u00e7al\u0131\u015ft\u0131lar, o yak\u0131n dokunma psikolojisinde ne olu\u015fur bilmiyoruz.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Ne kadar s\u00fcrecektir oylama?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Ruhani Kurul i\u00e7erisindeki bir papaz\u0131m\u0131z Kanada\u2019ya gitti, onun i\u00e7in yeni bir \u00fcye se\u00e7imi yap\u0131lacakt\u0131r Ruhani Kurul\u2019a. Ba\u015fka bir g\u00fcndem olu\u015fabilir, ama iki saati ge\u00e7ece\u011fini zannetmiyorum.<\/p>\n<h4 style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u201cBeykoz s\u00fcreci \u015feffaf ilerlemeli\u201d<\/h4>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>\u0130stifa mektubunuzda la\u011f\u0131m kokular\u0131ndan bahsettiniz, la\u011f\u0131m kokular\u0131 neyle ilgili? Bu konu istifa mektubunuzu verdi\u011finiz g\u00fcn\u00fcn ak\u015fam\u0131ndaki VAD\u0130P toplant\u0131s\u0131nda da konu\u015fuldu, sonras\u0131nda 16 \u015eubat protokol\u00fcnde Beykoz Vakf\u0131\u2019na ilgili madde de vard\u0131, ama sona anda \u00e7\u0131kart\u0131ld\u0131. Ayr\u0131ca siz istifa mektubunuza ra\u011fmen halen Hovagim Vakf\u0131\u2019n\u0131n y\u00f6neticisisiniz. Vak\u0131f ne i\u00e7in kuruldu ve bu bahsettiklerinizin Beykoz arazisiyle ilgili ba\u011flant\u0131s\u0131 nedir?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Pek \u00e7ok ki\u015fi bilmez ama Patrikhane cemaat i\u00e7erisindeki en fakir kurumdur. O y\u00fczden bu cenaze d\u00fc\u011f\u00fcn masraflar\u0131n\u0131 g\u00f6r\u00fcnce insanlar ele\u015ftiriyor. Bu onunla ba\u011flant\u0131l\u0131. Patrikhane\u2019nin 15 ki\u015filik personeli var, patrikhaneye kilit vurulmamas\u0131 i\u00e7in bir yerden kaynak gelmesi laz\u0131m, \u00a0ki zaten patrikhanemizin t\u00fczel ki\u015fili\u011fi yok. \u0130\u00e7inde ya\u015fad\u0131\u011f\u0131 bina bile kar\u015f\u0131daki Meryem Ana Kilisesi Vakf\u0131\u2019na ait. Patrikhanenin ekonomik bir g\u00fcc\u00fc yoksa, oyun kurucu da olam\u0131yor cemaatte. Paras\u0131 olanlar\u0131n d\u00fcd\u00fc\u011f\u00fcn\u00fcn \u00e7ald\u0131\u011f\u0131 bir yer haline geliyor. Aram S\u0131rpazan\u2019\u0131n asl\u0131nda \u00e7ok iyi bir fikriydi, b\u00fct\u00fcn din adamlar\u0131 olarak da destekledik. Diyordu ki, \u2018Ben devletle olan ili\u015fkilerimde s\u00fcrekli talep ediyorum bunu, en nihayetinde bize denildi ki vak\u0131f kurulsun, o vak\u0131fa da biz herhangi cemaat vakf\u0131ndan \u00fcst kullan\u0131m haklar\u0131yla ilgili kolayl\u0131klar sa\u011flar\u0131z ve patrikhanenin d\u00fczenli bir geliri olur.\u2019 Beykoz topraklar\u0131 kazan\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131nda, oran\u0131n y\u00f6netimi ger\u00e7ekten takdir edilecek bi\u00e7imde cemaate sundular, ve cemaat de hastaneye yani Surp P\u0131rgi\u00e7\u2019e tevdi etti bu g\u00f6revi. Onlar \u00e7ok iyi bir \u015fekilde g\u00f6t\u00fcr\u00fcrlerken Aram S\u0131rpazan dedi ki bu \u2018Biz kurdu\u011fumuz Hovagim vakf\u0131na ba\u011flayal\u0131m bu vakf\u0131, gelir oradan gelsin.\u2019 Yani \u00fcst kullan\u0131m hakk\u0131. Elbette ki orada istimlak par\u00e7alar\u0131 da vard\u0131 50 milyon TL\u2019nin \u00fcst\u00fcnde istimlak bedelleri \u00f6denecekti. Anla\u015f\u0131ld\u0131 ki o bedeller Hovagim Vakf\u0131\u2019na gelemiyor. Do\u011frudan Beykoz Vakf\u0131\u2019na ait. \u2018Beykoz vakf\u0131 gelen paray\u0131 nas\u0131l kullanacak?\u2019 meselesi ortaya \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131 ve bir komisyonla bu hususun d\u00fczenlenmesine karar verildi. Bu her zaman konu\u015ftu\u011fumuz ortak havuz projesini n\u00fcvesini olu\u015fturabilecek bir b\u00fct\u00e7e. Hovagim Vakf\u0131 \u015fimdilik tertemiz p\u0131r\u0131l, p\u0131r\u0131l \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc kasas\u0131 bo\u015f. Ama \u00f6zellikle Beykoz Arazisinin ana par\u00e7as\u0131, ki akara \u00e7evrildi\u011finde Bedros \u015eirino\u011flu\u2019nun a\u00e7\u0131klamas\u0131yla 500 milyon dolar de\u011ferinde, onun imara a\u00e7\u0131lmas\u0131 durumunda ger\u00e7ekten \u00e7ok saydam ilerlemesi gereken bir s\u00fcre\u00e7. Oralardan sorunlar \u00e7\u0131kmaya ba\u015flad\u0131 zaten..<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Sizin kast\u0131n\u0131z bununla m\u0131 ilgiliydi?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Benim de bahsetti\u011fim \u015fey bu konuyla ilgiliydi. Bu a\u00e7\u0131kl\u0131k ve saydaml\u0131k yok, olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131 m\u00fcddet\u00e7e de benim o vak\u0131fta hi\u00e7bir i\u015fim olamaz. Onun i\u00e7in de\u011fabah se\u00e7imini bekliyoruz, e\u011fer Karekin S\u0131rpazan de\u011fabah olursa hi\u00e7bir sorun olmaz, gerekiyorsa biz Hovagim Vakf\u0131\u2019n\u0131 da la\u011fvederiz, gerekiyorsa kal\u0131r. Ama biz b\u00fcy\u00fck toprak par\u00e7alar\u0131yla u\u011fra\u015facak kapasitede de\u011filiz.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Peki, de\u011fabah se\u00e7ildi diyelim, makul s\u00fcre patrik se\u00e7imi i\u00e7in ne kadard\u0131r?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Bu konu belli de\u011fil, bazen alt\u0131, bazen \u00fc\u00e7 bazen de bir ay i\u00e7inde olmu\u015f. Bu asl\u0131nda cemaatin haz\u0131r olmas\u0131yla ilgili bir sorun. Devlet tarihi tek ba\u015f\u0131na belirlemiyor, m\u00fcte\u015febbis heyetiyle birlikte belli oluyor tarih. \u015eu anda bizim cemaatimiz \u00fc\u00e7 d\u00f6rt senedir vak\u0131f se\u00e7imlerini de yapam\u0131yor, o y\u00fczden se\u00e7men k\u00fct\u00fckleri alt\u00fcst. Se\u00e7im b\u00f6lgelerinde kimler oy kullanacak, hayat\u0131n\u0131 kaybedenler, g\u00f6\u00e7 edenler ay\u0131klanacak, yeni do\u011fanlar kaydedilecek. Cemaate \u00e7ok uzak olan b\u00f6lgelerdeki ki\u015filer kaydedilecek. Bu s\u00fcrede adaylar belli olacak, propagandalar yapacaklar, kendi delegelerini se\u00e7ecekler, bu m\u00fcte\u015febbis heyetinin g\u00f6rd\u00fc\u011f\u00fc tarihle belli olacak. Benim d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcncem 15 Haziran\u2019a kadar yeti\u015ftirebilirsek yeti\u015ftirebiliriz ama yeti\u015femezse sonbahara kal\u0131r. Onu yani sonbahar\u0131 savununlar \u015funu savunuyor ayn\u0131 zamanda: Aram ve Sahak S\u0131rpazan\u2019\u0131 bu halk tan\u0131yor ama Karekin Bek\u00e7iyan\u2019\u0131 ve Sebuh \u00c7ulcuyan\u2019\u0131 bu halk tan\u0131m\u0131yor onlar\u0131n kendilerini tan\u0131tmak i\u00e7in s\u00fcreye ihtiya\u00e7lar\u0131 var, yani birka\u00e7 ay uzamas\u0131 sorun olmaz kendilerini tan\u0131tmalar i\u00e7in. Bu da tutarl\u0131 bir g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015ft\u00fcr, bu ba\u011flamda m\u00fcte\u015febbis heyeti ve de\u011fabah beraber karar verecekler makul s\u00fcre i\u00e7in.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Biraz da ele\u015ftirilere gelelim. Halk\u0131n bir b\u00f6l\u00fcm\u00fc de konuya \u015furadan bak\u0131yor \u2018Biz \u00f6nceden \u00f6l\u00fclerimizin senelerini ve 40. g\u00fcnlerini mezarl\u0131klarda patrikhaneye ba\u015fvurmadan bir \u015fekilde hallediyorduk, \u015fimdi her \u015fey kay\u0131ta ba\u011flad\u0131, cenazeler, d\u00fc\u011f\u00fcnler ve vaftizler \u00e7ok masrafl\u0131 olmaya ba\u015flad\u0131\u2019 Bu ele\u015ftiriler size de geliyor mu ?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Biz bu ele\u015ftirilerin i\u00e7inde ya\u015f\u0131yoruz ve genelde her kar\u015f\u0131la\u015ft\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z insan toplulu\u011fu bunu soruyor biz de cevab\u0131n\u0131 veriyoruz. Bu aya\u011f\u0131n\u0131 yorgan\u0131na g\u00f6re uzat ekonomisi asl\u0131nda, patrikhanenin herhangi bir geliri yoksa gelir getirecek tek alan\u0131 t\u00f6renler. Birka\u00e7 sorun var bununla ilgili. Birincisi H\u0131ristiyanl\u0131k \u00f6l\u00e7\u00fcs\u00fcne g\u00f6re H\u0131ristiyanlar kiliselerine ondal\u0131k verirler. \u0130nsanlar\u0131m\u0131z ayda y\u0131lda bir kiliselere gitti\u011finde sadece mum yakma paras\u0131 veriyorlar. Ama o kiliseler ayakta kalmak zorundalar, bir \u015fekilde o para gelmeli. Madem ki d\u00fczenli bir vergi \u00f6deme al\u0131\u015fkanl\u0131\u011f\u0131 yok halk\u0131m\u0131z\u0131n, bu gibi d\u00f6nemlerde \u00f6deme yapmak zorundalar. \u0130kincisi bazen insanlar g\u00f6steri\u015f merak\u0131n\u0131n kurban\u0131 oluyorlar. Ger\u00e7ekten d\u00fcnyan\u0131n neresine giderseniz gidin Ermeni kilisesine t\u00f6ren en fazla iki papazla olur. Katolik kilisesinde de b\u00f6yle olur. Ama bizde episkoposlar, rahipler, papazlar istiyorlar, organizat\u00f6rleriyle beraber masraf \u00e7\u0131kart\u0131yorlar, d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorlar ki bu paran\u0131n hepsi din adamlar\u0131na gidiyor. Bu konuda bilin\u00e7lenmeliler. Bir ba\u015fka sorun ise ortak havuz konumuz. Varl\u0131kl\u0131 vak\u0131flar\u0131m\u0131z\u0131n sorunlu vak\u0131flara ya da okullara mali ve para aktar\u0131m\u0131 yapmas\u0131 laz\u0131m. Ayn\u0131 zamanda patrikhaneye de yard\u0131m etmeliler. Devletin d\u00fczenlenmesiyle vak\u0131flar art\u0131k patrikhaneye yard\u0131m etmek zorunda de\u011filler. Ama manevi olarak zorundalar. Varl\u0131kl\u0131 vak\u0131flardan da yeterli \u015fekilde yard\u0131m alam\u0131yoruz.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong><em>http:\/\/www.agos.com.tr\/tr\/yazi\/17935\/atesyanin-degabah-secilmesinin-ne-kadar-tehlikeli-oldugunu-goremeyenler-var<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Yetvart Danzikyan \u0130stifas\u0131 yank\u0131 ve tart\u0131\u015fma yaratan, Patrik se\u00e7iminin do\u011fal adaylar\u0131ndan Episkopos Sahak Ma\u015falyan 11 Mart Cumartesi g\u00fcn\u00fc Radyo Agos\u2019ta, Agos gazetesi genel yay\u0131n y\u00f6netmeni Yetvart Danzikyan\u2019\u0131n sorular\u0131n\u0131 yan\u0131tlad\u0131. Ma\u015falyan de\u011fabah se\u00e7imi ve Beykoz arazisi ile ilgili tart\u0131\u015fmalara y\u00f6nelik \u00f6nemli mesajlar verdi. 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