{"id":39044,"date":"2016-03-14T01:21:26","date_gmt":"2016-03-14T06:21:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?p=39044"},"modified":"2016-03-14T01:21:26","modified_gmt":"2016-03-14T06:21:26","slug":"kayip-ruhlarin-hala-dolastigi-yer-hodorcur","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?p=39044","title":{"rendered":"Kay\u0131p ruhlar\u0131n h\u00e2l\u00e2 dola\u015ft\u0131\u011f\u0131 yer: Hodor\u00e7ur"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"Urfa<\/a>\u2018Hodor\u00e7ur, Vatan\u0131n\u0131 Arayan Bir Gezginin Seyahati\u2019 kitab\u0131 \u00fczerine, Serhan Ada\u2019yla ve Raffaele Gianighian\u2019\u0131n o\u011flu Nubar Gianighian\u2019la sohbet… <\/i><\/b><\/p>\n

G\u00d6ZDE KAZAZ<\/b>
\ngozdekazaz@agos.com.tr\u00a0<\/b><\/p>\n

TU\u011eBA ESEN<\/b>
\nztugbaesen@gmail.com<\/b><\/p>\n

Raffaele Gianighian\u2019\u0131n 1980\u2019li y\u0131llarda \u0130talyancada bas\u0131lan \u2018Hodor\u00e7ur, Vatan\u0131n\u0131 Arayan Bir Gezginin Seyahati\u2019 adl\u0131 kitab\u0131, \u0130leti\u015fim Yay\u0131nlar\u0131 taraf\u0131ndan, Do\u00e7ent Dr. Serhan Ada\u2019n\u0131n T\u00fcrk\u00e7e \u00e7evirisiyle yay\u0131mland\u0131. Erzurum ile Trabzon aras\u0131ndaki Hodor\u00e7ur kazas\u0131nda do\u011fan ve b\u00f6lgedeki Soyk\u0131r\u0131mdan kurtulan az say\u0131daki Ermenilerinden olan Gianighian, 1915 ve sonras\u0131nda ya\u015fad\u0131klar\u0131n\u0131 kaydediyor kitaba. C\u00fcmlelerinden, Gianighian\u2019\u0131n t\u00fcm ya\u015fad\u0131klar\u0131na ve tan\u0131k olduklar\u0131na ra\u011fmen, ya\u015fama duydu\u011fu a\u015fk\u0131 kaybetmedi\u011fi anla\u015f\u0131l\u0131yor. Bu a\u015fk, bazen karanl\u0131k bir gecenin sabah\u0131nda, taze havan\u0131n ruhunu ok\u015famas\u0131yla depre\u015fiyor. Bazen de uzanan bir yard\u0131m eliyle. Gianighian ailesini darmada\u011f\u0131n eden katliamlarda \u0130stanbul\u2019dakileri, yani kendi halk\u0131ndan \u00e7ok, halk\u0131 y\u00f6netenleri su\u00e7luyor. \u0130\u00e7indeki insan sevgisini hi\u00e7bir zaman kaybetmiyor. Babas\u0131n\u0131n, memleketinden uzakta can vermeden \u00f6nce s\u00f6ylediklerini an\u0131ms\u0131yor s\u0131k s\u0131k: \u201cO\u011fullar, Hodor\u00e7ur\u2019a d\u00f6n\u00fcn, at\u00f6lyemizi \u00e7al\u0131\u015ft\u0131r\u0131n, bizim vatan\u0131m\u0131z oras\u0131.\u201d Kar\u015f\u0131s\u0131na \u00e7\u0131kan ilk f\u0131rsatta, 1977 y\u0131l\u0131nda ya\u015fam\u0131n\u0131 s\u00fcrd\u00fcrd\u00fc\u011f\u00fc \u0130talya\u2019dan kalk\u0131p memleketine gidiyor; s\u00fcrg\u00fcndeyken kiminde konaklad\u0131\u011f\u0131 kiminden ge\u00e7ip gitti\u011fi k\u00f6yleri, y\u00fczlerce insana mezar olan vadileri yayan geziyor. B\u00f6ylece anlat\u0131s\u0131n\u0131n detaylar\u0131na, b\u00f6lgenin 1900\u2019lerin ba\u015f\u0131ndaki ve 70\u2019lerdeki yap\u0131s\u0131 ve y\u00f6re halk\u0131n\u0131n ya\u015fam\u0131 da giriyor. \u00d6nceleri, \u201cBah\u00e7elerinde ye\u015fil \u00e7imen yerine \u00e7il alt\u0131n biter\u201d denilen Hodor\u00e7ur\u2019un Soyk\u0131r\u0131mdan sonra nas\u0131l lanetli, \u00e7orak bir co\u011frafyaya d\u00f6n\u00fc\u015ft\u00fc\u011f\u00fcn\u00fc dinliyor T\u00fcrk k\u00f6yl\u00fclerinden. Ve belki de ailesi i\u00e7in oldu\u011fu kadar, 1915\u2019ten sonra Hodor\u00e7ur\u2019da ya\u015famaya devam eden t\u00fcm halklar i\u00e7in \u00fcz\u00fcl\u00fcyor.<\/p>\n

Kitab\u0131n lansman\u0131 dolay\u0131s\u0131yla, \u0130leti\u015fim Yay\u0131nlar\u0131 ve Anadolu K\u00fclt\u00fcr i\u015fbirli\u011fiyle bir sergi d\u00fczenlendi. 25 \u015eubat\u2019ta yap\u0131lan sergi a\u00e7\u0131l\u0131\u015f\u0131nda kitaptan baz\u0131 b\u00f6l\u00fcmler T\u00fcrk\u00e7e ve Ermenice okundu. Etkinli\u011fe Raffaele Gianighian\u2019\u0131n o\u011flu Giorgio Gianighian (Nubar Gianighian) da kat\u0131ld\u0131.<\/p>\n

\u2018Hodor\u00e7ur, Vatan\u0131n\u0131 Arayan Bir Gezginin Seyahati\u2019 kitab\u0131 \u00fczerine, Serhan Ada\u2019yla ve Nubar Gianighian\u2019la sohbet ediyoruz.<\/p>\n

\u00c7evirisini \u00fcstlenmeden \u00f6nce, bir okur olarak Raffaele Gianighian\u2019\u0131n \u2018Hodor\u00e7ur, Vatan\u0131n\u0131 Arayan Bir Gezginin Seyahati\u2019 kitab\u0131 size neler hissettirdi?<\/b><\/p>\n

Daha en ba\u015f\u0131ndan bu kitab\u0131n T\u00fcrk\u00e7ede de okunmas\u0131 gerekti\u011fini hissettim. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc Gianighian\u2019\u0131n beklenmedik bir \u00fcslubu vard\u0131. Yazar\u0131n kurgusu, ayn\u0131 zamanda onun k\u00f6yl\u00fclerine anlatt\u0131\u011f\u0131 hik\u00e2yesi kendili\u011finden ak\u0131p gidiyordu. T\u00fcrk\u00e7ede ayn\u0131 ak\u0131\u015f\u0131 yakalay\u0131p yakalayamayaca\u011f\u0131m\u0131z\u0131 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnd\u00fcm. Gianighian ba\u015f\u0131ndan ge\u00e7enleri, sanki bug\u00fcn ya\u015fanm\u0131\u015f ve s\u0131ca\u011f\u0131 s\u0131ca\u011f\u0131na bir yere not edilmi\u015f gibi anlat\u0131yor. Fakat b\u00f6yle olmas\u0131 m\u00fcmk\u00fcn de\u011fil. Kitab\u0131n kurmaca taraf\u0131 beni \u00e7ok etkiledi.<\/p>\n

Kitap asl\u0131nda Ermenicede yaz\u0131ld\u0131, ilk olarak \u0130talyancada bas\u0131ld\u0131. Sizin yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131z \u00e7eviri de \u0130talyanca metin \u00fczerinden\u2026<\/b><\/p>\n

\u0130nsanlar\u0131n zorunlu olarak ya da kendi istekleriyle yapt\u0131klar\u0131 yolculuklar dillere de yans\u0131yor. Dile yeni unsurlar giriyor ya da baz\u0131 unsurlar kayboluyor. Bunun en g\u00fczel \u00f6rne\u011fi Gianighian\u2019\u0131n sergide yer alan mektuplar\u0131. O mektuplar, sergi haz\u0131rl\u0131klar\u0131 s\u0131ras\u0131nda ara\u015ft\u0131rma yaparken ar\u015fivden \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131. \u00d6nceden bulmu\u015f olsayd\u0131m, kitaba da eklemek isteyebilirdim. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc hik\u00e2yenin sonradan nas\u0131l devam etti\u011fini g\u00f6steriyor. Bitti\u011fini ve \u00fczerinin kapand\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 sand\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z anlat\u0131y\u0131 yeniden canland\u0131r\u0131yor. Bu y\u00fczden mektuplar da \u00e7ok \u00f6nemli.<\/p>\n

Gianighian\u2019\u0131n yazd\u0131klar\u0131n\u0131 T\u00fcrk\u00e7eye \u00e7evirirken ve onu g\u00fcncel bir anlat\u0131m diline aktar\u0131rken herhangi bir zorluk ya\u015fad\u0131n\u0131z m\u0131? <\/b><\/p>\n

Do\u011frusu ya\u015famad\u0131m. Ben profesyonel \u00e7evirmen de\u011filim. Daha \u00f6nce Etel Adnan\u2019\u0131n bir \u015fiir kitab\u0131n\u0131 \u00e7evirmi\u015ftim. Baz\u0131 metinlerle birebir ili\u015fki kurabiliyorsunuz. \u00d6yle olunca da profesyonel yazar- \u00e7evirmen ili\u015fkisi ortadan kalk\u0131yor. Kitab\u0131n \u00e7evirisini yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131m s\u0131rada T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de de\u011fildim. Metnin \u00fczerinden birka\u00e7 kere ge\u00e7ince baz\u0131 kelimeler kendili\u011finden yerine oturdu. Beni zorlayan tek \u015fey, \u015fimdiki zaman anlat\u0131s\u0131n\u0131 yakalamakt\u0131. Sonras\u0131nda i\u015fler kolayla\u015ft\u0131.<\/p>\n

Sizin de belirtti\u011finiz gibi zaman zaman kitab\u0131, Gianighian\u2019\u0131n g\u00fcnl\u00fc\u011f\u00fcn\u00fc okur gibi okuyoruz. Fakat yaz\u0131 yazmay\u0131 b\u0131rak\u0131n, onun o zamanlarda k\u00e2\u011f\u0131t- kaleme eri\u015fmesi bile m\u00fcmk\u00fcn de\u011fildir. Sizce, seneler \u00f6ncesine ait an\u0131lar\u0131 nas\u0131l bu kadar berrakl\u0131kla hat\u0131rlay\u0131p ifade etti?<\/b><\/p>\n

\u0130\u015fin o y\u00f6n\u00fcn\u00fc kimse a\u00e7\u0131klayam\u0131yor, kitab\u0131n b\u00fcy\u00fcs\u00fc biraz da buradan geliyor. Ge\u00e7tikleri her derenin, \u00e7ay\u0131n, yaylan\u0131n ad\u0131n\u0131, oralarda kar\u015f\u0131la\u015ft\u0131\u011f\u0131 ki\u015filerin ismini \u015fa\u015f\u0131rt\u0131c\u0131 bir bi\u00e7imde hat\u0131rl\u0131yor. Belki ya\u015fad\u0131klar\u0131 belle\u011finde silinmemecesine, \u00e7ok derin izler b\u0131rakm\u0131\u015ft\u0131, belki de bir ara bunlar\u0131 bir yerlere not etmi\u015fti. Di\u011fer taraftan ya\u015fad\u0131klar\u0131 kolay unutulacak \u015feyler de\u011fil.<\/p>\n

Yazar\u0131n anlat\u0131m\u0131nda ola\u011fan\u00fcst\u00fc bir do\u011fall\u0131k var. \u00c7ocukken ge\u00e7irdi\u011fi hastal\u0131k sonras\u0131nda \u00f6ld\u00fc\u011f\u00fcn\u00fc san\u0131p onu g\u00fcbreli\u011fe at\u0131yorlar. T\u00fcm bunlar\u0131, karn\u0131n\u0131 doyurdu\u011fu bir \u00e2n\u0131 anlat\u0131r gibi yazabiliyor. Gianighian\u2019\u0131n enteresan bir dili var, siz de onun kitaptaki bu \u00fcslubuna m\u00fcdahale etmekten ka\u00e7\u0131nm\u0131\u015fs\u0131n\u0131z.<\/b><\/p>\n

M\u00fcmk\u00fcn mertebe onu korumaya \u00e7al\u0131\u015ft\u0131m. Kitap bir bak\u0131ma, o \u00e7ocu\u011fun diliyle yaz\u0131lm\u0131\u015f. Gianighian akl\u0131nda kalan dili oldu\u011fu gibi yaz\u0131ya ge\u00e7irmi\u015f. An\u0131lar\u0131n\u0131 anlatt\u0131\u011f\u0131 ses kayd\u0131n\u0131 dinledi\u011fimde bunu daha iyi anlad\u0131m. \u00d6ncelikle sesin kaydedildi\u011fini, anlat\u0131n\u0131n oradan yaz\u0131ya ge\u00e7irildi\u011fini g\u00f6rd\u00fcm. O zaman fark ettim ki, bu ancak s\u00f6zl\u00fc bir anlat\u0131m\u0131n par\u00e7as\u0131 olabilir. Ses kay\u0131tlar\u0131n\u0131 da sergiye dahil ettik.<\/p>\n

Yazar 1977\u2019de, seneler sonra ilk kez Hodor\u00e7ur\u2019a geri d\u00f6n\u00fcyor. Ve bunu hac yolculu\u011funa benzetiyor.<\/b><\/p>\n

Gianighian \u0130talya\u2019da, Cortina d\u2019Ampezzo\u2019da ya\u015f\u0131yordu. Buras\u0131 asl\u0131nda bir kayak merkezi, k\u00fc\u00e7\u00fck bir yer. Buraya ilk kez bir arkada\u015f\u0131yla birlikte kaya\u011fa gitmi\u015fler. Ancak Gianighian o co\u011frafyay\u0131 ve da\u011f\u0131 g\u00f6r\u00fcnce arkada\u015f\u0131na, \u201cBuras\u0131 Hodor\u00e7ur\u201ddemi\u015f ve oraya yerle\u015fmeye karar vermi\u015f. Orada kar\u015f\u0131la\u015ft\u0131\u011f\u0131 bir grup da\u011fc\u0131n\u0131n Erzurum civar\u0131ndaki da\u011flardan bahsetti\u011fini duymu\u015f. \u201cOray\u0131 nerden biliyorsunuz?\u201d diye sordu\u011funda, \u201cBiz her y\u0131l oraya gidip da\u011fa \u00e7\u0131kar\u0131z\u201d cevab\u0131n\u0131 alm\u0131\u015f. Ertesi y\u0131l Gianighian da onlar\u0131n pe\u015fine tak\u0131lm\u0131\u015f. Yolculu\u011funun bir k\u0131sm\u0131n\u0131 bu da\u011fc\u0131larla yapm\u0131\u015f ama onlar k\u00f6ylere gitmedikleri i\u00e7in bir s\u00fcre sonra gruptan ayr\u0131larak yaln\u0131z devam etmi\u015f.<\/p>\n

Kitab\u0131n en ilgin\u00e7 y\u00f6nlerinden biri de, y\u0131llar sonra memleketine d\u00f6nen Gianighian\u2019\u0131n b\u00f6lgenin yerlileriyle aras\u0131nda ge\u00e7en konu\u015fmalar. Kimi onu ve ailesini hat\u0131rl\u0131yor, kimiyse hat\u0131rlam\u0131yor. Ancak \u00e7o\u011fu Ermenilere yap\u0131lanlar\u0131 ve bunun yanl\u0131\u015fl\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 biliyor. Hatta ya\u015fad\u0131klar\u0131 topraklar\u0131 lanetlenmi\u015f say\u0131yorlar. <\/b><\/p>\n

Evet, birileri buradan gitmi\u015f ama geride bir \u015feyler b\u0131rakm\u0131\u015flar. Art\u0131k oray\u0131, ruhlar\u0131n dola\u015ft\u0131\u011f\u0131 bir yer olarak d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorlar. Foto\u011fraflarla birlikte bu anlat\u0131 daha b\u00fcy\u00fck anlam kazan\u0131yor. \u00d6rne\u011fin Gianighian dedesini anlat\u0131yor, dedenin foto\u011fraf\u0131n\u0131 da g\u00f6r\u00fcyorsunuz. Hik\u00e2yenin g\u00f6rsel olarak da kurulabilmesi \u00e7ok \u00f6nemli.<\/p>\n

Garmirk Ko\u0308yu\u0308.Raffaele Gianighian’\u0131n 1977’de c\u0327ektig\u0306i fotog\u0306raf (solda) ve Gianighian’\u0131n H\u0131d\u0131rc\u0327ur’da dog\u0306dug\u0306u ko\u0308y,Kisak,1910 (sa\u011fda – Gianghian ars\u0327ivi)<\/p>\n

Kitaptan yola \u00e7\u0131karak haz\u0131rlanan sergide, hem kitapta bulunan hem de Gianighian ar\u015fivinden \u00e7\u0131kan foto\u011fraflara ve haritalara yer verdiniz. Bu belgeleri nas\u0131l bir araya getirdiniz? <\/b><\/p>\n

Kitaptaki foto\u011fraflar\u0131 g\u00f6rd\u00fc\u011f\u00fcm anda onlarla bir sergi yap\u0131lmas\u0131 gerekti\u011fini d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnd\u00fcm. Genellikle kitap yay\u0131mland\u0131\u011f\u0131nda bir imza g\u00fcn\u00fc d\u00fczenleniyor; kitaplar imzalan\u0131p sonra da rafa kalk\u0131yor. T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de okuma etkinlikleri pek yap\u0131lm\u0131yor. Yani kitab\u0131n d\u00fcnyas\u0131na girmek i\u00e7in \u00e7abalam\u0131yoruz. Ben bu projeyi bir b\u00fct\u00fcn olarak ele almak istedim. \u0130leti\u015fim Yay\u0131nlar\u0131\u2019yla kitap \u00fczerinde konu\u015furken sergi fikrimden de bahsettim. Daha sonra Nubar Gianighian\u2019dan ellindeki di\u011fer malzemeleri de g\u00f6ndermelerini istedim. Sergiyi haz\u0131rlarken sadece kitapta yer alan foto\u011fraf ve haritalarla yetinmedik. Hodor\u00e7ur\u2019un 1915\u2019teki g\u00f6r\u00fcn\u00fcm\u00fc ve Gianigian\u2019\u0131n yolculu\u011fu s\u0131ras\u0131nda \u00e7ekti\u011fi foto\u011fraflarla 1970\u2019lerdeki hali hem sergiye hem kitaba yans\u0131yor. Ayr\u0131ca Gianighian\u2019\u0131n kendi ses kayd\u0131 da sergide kullan\u0131l\u0131yor.<\/p>\n

Bu mektuplar kime yaz\u0131lm\u0131\u015f?<\/b><\/p>\n

Gianighian seneler sonra Hodor\u00e7ur\u2019a gidip oradaki k\u00f6yl\u00fcleriyle tan\u0131\u015ft\u0131\u011f\u0131nda, aralar\u0131nda bir arkada\u015fl\u0131k ba\u015fl\u0131yor. Birbirlerine mektup yaz\u0131yor, a\u011fa\u00e7 tohumlar\u0131 g\u00f6nderiyorlar. Hik\u00e2ye sessizce ve derinden devam ediyor. Sonra bir g\u00fcn tekrar filizleniyor. Gianighian ya\u015fananlar\u0131 hep insan hik\u00e2yeleri olarak anlat\u0131yor, i\u00e7inde kin beslemiyor. Di\u011fer taraftan yap\u0131lanlar\u0131 da g\u00f6rmezden gelmiyor. Anlatt\u0131klar\u0131 hem i\u00e7indeki sevgisini hem de korkun\u00e7 bir sefaleti, cehaleti g\u00f6z \u00f6n\u00fcne seriyor.<\/p>\n

Sizce bu kitap, son y\u0131llarda T\u00fcrk\u00e7ede yay\u0131mlanan di\u011fer Soyk\u0131r\u0131m hat\u0131ratlar\u0131 aras\u0131nda nas\u0131l bir yerde duruyor?<\/b><\/p>\n

Bu hat\u0131ratlar T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de, benim ad\u0131na \u2018kimlik arkeolojisi\u2019 dedi\u011fim bir \u015feyi tetikledi. Hepimiz ge\u00e7mi\u015fimizi kazmaya ba\u015flad\u0131k ve o kaz\u0131lardan bir s\u00fcr\u00fc beklenmedik sonu\u00e7lar \u00e7\u0131k\u0131yor. Bu bir taraftan \u015fizofrenik bir durum; \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc kendimizle ilgili bir s\u00fcr\u00fc \u015fey biliyoruz, fakat sonra \u00f6\u011freniyoruz ki asl\u0131nda ba\u015fka \u015feyler de varm\u0131\u015f. Di\u011fer taraftan da b\u00fct\u00fcn bu benze\u015fmeyen ama bir arada var olan farkl\u0131 par\u00e7alar, sizi olu\u015fturuyor. Kitap, bu duruma \u00e7ok b\u00fcy\u00fck katk\u0131 sa\u011fl\u0131yor. T\u00fcrkiyelilerin kimlikleriyle ilgili sorgulamalar\u0131 gereken \u015feyler var. Bu konuda pek \u00e7ok kitap yaz\u0131ld\u0131; insanlar onlar arac\u0131l\u0131\u011f\u0131yla babaannelerinin, anneannelerinin ge\u00e7mi\u015fini ke\u015ffettiler. Fakat i\u015f burada bitmiyor. Kazd\u0131k\u00e7a yeni \u015feyler \u00e7\u0131k\u0131yor. Bu kitap da \u2018Ermeni T\u00fcrk\u2019 ba\u015fl\u0131kl\u0131 bir b\u00f6l\u00fcmde sabah namaz\u0131na giden bir adam\u0131n, annesinin \u00f6ld\u00fcr\u00fcl\u00fcrken kendisini nas\u0131l kurtard\u0131\u011f\u0131, k\u00f6ydeki boyac\u0131n\u0131n ona nas\u0131l sahip \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131\u011f\u0131, sonradan nas\u0131l M\u00fcsl\u00fcman oldu\u011fu ve \u015fimdi de tar\u0131mla u\u011fra\u015farak s\u00fcrd\u00fcrd\u00fc\u011f\u00fc ya\u015fam\u0131na dair anlatt\u0131klar\u0131yla ba\u015fl\u0131yor. Bence, d\u00fcnle bug\u00fcn aras\u0131ndaki t\u00fcm bu ge\u00e7i\u015fler kitab\u0131n \u00f6zg\u00fcn yanlar\u0131n\u0131 olu\u015fturuyor.\u00a0<\/p>\n

Demirci ailesinin \u00e7ileli \u00fcyesi<\/b><\/p>\n

Raffaele Gianighian 1906 y\u0131l\u0131nda Hodor\u00e7ur kazas\u0131 yak\u0131nlar\u0131nda, Kisak\u2019ta do\u011fdu. Annesi Takuhi \u00c7akalyan, o\u011flu \u00fc\u00e7 ya\u015f\u0131ndayken zehirlenerek \u00f6ld\u00fc. Babas\u0131 Garabet demirciydi. Onun mesle\u011fi 1915\u2019te ailesinin bir\u00e7ok \u00fcyesinin Soyk\u0131r\u0131mdan kurtulmas\u0131n\u0131 sa\u011flad\u0131. 1915\u2019ten 1919\u2019a kadar Raffaele, Edessa (bug\u00fcnk\u00fc ad\u0131yla Urfa) yak\u0131nlar\u0131ndaki B\u00fcy\u00fckba\u011f\u2019da kalarak M\u00fcsl\u00fcman oldu ve Abdullah ad\u0131n\u0131 ald\u0131. 1919\u2019da bir Amerikan yard\u0131m misyonu taraf\u0131ndan bulunarak \u0130stanbul\u2019a g\u00f6t\u00fcr\u00fcld\u00fc. Lise \u00f6\u011frenimini Venedik\u2019teki\u00a0 Moorat Raphael Ermeni Koleji\u2019nde tamamlad\u0131. Pavia\u2019da Ecza Kimyas\u0131 okudu. Hodor\u00e7ur\u2019a benzetti\u011fi Cortina d\u2019Ampezzo\u2019ya yerle\u015fti ve burada bir vitrifiye \u00fcr\u00fcnleri ma\u011fazas\u0131 a\u00e7t\u0131. Dina Ghedina\u2019yla evlendi. Bu evlilikten Yervant, Nubar, Vartan ve Susanna isimli d\u00f6rt \u00e7ocu\u011fu oldu. 1997 y\u0131l\u0131nda, babas\u0131na bir g\u00fcn mutlaka d\u00f6nece\u011fi s\u00f6z\u00fcn\u00fc verdi\u011fi Hodor\u00e7ur\u2019a gitti. Bu yolculuktan sonra Soyk\u0131r\u0131m an\u0131lar\u0131n\u0131 yazan Gianighian, 22 Ocak 1997\u2019de ya\u015fama veda etti. O\u011flu Yervant Gianikian\u2019\u0131n Angela Ricci Lucchi ile birlikte \u00fcretti\u011fi, 2015 Venedik Bienali Ermenistan Pavyonu\u2019nda sergilenen \u2018Return to Khodorciur\u2019 (Hodor\u00e7ur\u2019a D\u00f6n\u00fc\u015f) adl\u0131 \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmas\u0131, Gianighian\u2019\u0131n ya\u015fam ser\u00fcvenini konu ediniyordu.\u00a0<\/p>\n

Nubar Gianghian: T\u00fcrkiye\u2019yi ziyaret etmeye tekrar karar vermek 20 y\u0131l\u0131m\u0131 ald\u0131<\/b><\/p>\n

Raffaele Gianighian\u2019\u0131n \u2018Hodor\u00e7ur\u2019u bas\u0131ld\u0131ktan k\u0131sa bir s\u00fcre sonra d\u00fczenlenen sergi a\u00e7\u0131l\u0131\u015f\u0131 ve okuma etkinli\u011fine, Gianighian ailesinin d\u00f6rt \u00e7ocu\u011fundan biri, Giorgio (Nubar) Gianighian da kat\u0131ld\u0131. Gianighian, \u2018yo\u011fun duygularla kar\u0131\u015f\u0131k tarihsel bir merak\u2019 olarak hat\u0131rlad\u0131\u011f\u0131 bu etkinli\u011fin kendisi i\u00e7in ne anlama geldi\u011fini ve babas\u0131n\u0131n hik\u00e2yesiyle kendi hik\u00e2yesinin kesi\u015fti\u011fi yerleri anlatt\u0131. \u00a0<\/i>\u00a0<\/p>\n

Baban\u0131z\u0131n hik\u00e2yesinin T\u00fcrkiye\u2019deki okuyuculara ula\u015fmas\u0131 hakk\u0131nda ne d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorsunuz?<\/b><\/p>\n

\u2018Hodor\u00e7ur, Vatan\u0131n\u0131 Arayan Bir Gezginin Seyahati\u2019 kitab\u0131 arac\u0131l\u0131\u011f\u0131yla T\u00fcrkiye\u2019deki okurlar, \u00fclkelerinin kritik bir d\u00f6nemine \u2018bir par\u00e7a bilgi\u2019 ekleyebilecek. Yeni tan\u0131\u015ft\u0131\u011f\u0131m ve okuma etkinli\u011fine davet etti\u011fim bir arkada\u015f\u0131m, etkinlikten sonra bana te\u015fekk\u00fcr ederek ailesinin ona bu konuda hi\u00e7bir \u015fey anlatmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131, kitab\u0131n onun -ve onun gibi insanlar- i\u00e7in \u00e7ok \u00f6nemli oldu\u011funu s\u00f6yledi; \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc art\u0131k o \u2018bilgi par\u00e7as\u0131n\u0131\u2019, hakk\u0131nda hi\u00e7bir fikirlerinin olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131 o tarihe ekleyebilecekti. Sonu\u00e7 olarak, kitaptan \u00e7ok memnunum. Muhtemelen b\u00f6yle bir \u015feyin imk\u00e2ns\u0131z oldu\u011funu d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnen babam, bu kitab\u0131n T\u00fcrk\u00e7e bas\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 g\u00f6rseydi \u00e7ok sevinirdi.<\/p>\n

Sergi a\u00e7\u0131l\u0131\u015f\u0131 i\u00e7in \u0130stanbul\u2019a geldiniz. Bu sizin i\u00e7in nas\u0131l bir deneyimdi?<\/b><\/p>\n

Daha \u00f6nce tan\u0131mad\u0131\u011f\u0131m Ermeni, T\u00fcrk, K\u00fcrt ve benim gibi \u2018kar\u0131\u015f\u0131k\u2019 bir\u00e7ok insanla ve Kerabaydzar Levon Bo\u011fos Zekiyan\u2019la tan\u0131\u015ft\u0131m. Bu insanlar\u0131n orada bulunmas\u0131, Serhan Ada\u2019yla yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z \u015feyin do\u011fru oldu\u011funu g\u00f6steriyordu. Etkinlik boyunca yo\u011fun duygularla kar\u0131\u015f\u0131k tarihsel bir merak hissettim ve bu merak\u0131 izleyicilerin de payla\u015ft\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 g\u00f6rd\u00fcm. Ayr\u0131ca, kitap b\u00f6l\u00fcmlerinin hem Ermenice hem T\u00fcrk\u00e7ede okunmas\u0131 harika bir fikirdi. T\u00fcrk\u00e7e bilmesem de iki dil, muhtemelen 1914\u2019ten \u00f6nce \u0130stanbul\u2019da oldu\u011fu gibi, i\u00e7 i\u00e7e ge\u00e7ti. Sadece b\u00f6yle bir kutlaman\u0131n m\u00fcmk\u00fcn olabilmesi i\u00e7in 100 y\u0131ldan fazla zaman ge\u00e7mesi gerekti. Ama daha fazlas\u0131 olacak, buna hem inan\u0131yorum hem de bunu umut ediyorum.<\/p>\n

Konu\u015fmadan \u00f6nce duyguland\u0131\u011f\u0131m i\u00e7in bir s\u00fcre sessiz kald\u0131m ama e\u015fime bak\u0131p babam\u0131n kitab\u0131n kapa\u011f\u0131nda da bulunan, Venedik\u2019teki Moorat Raphaelian Okulu\u2019nun formas\u0131yla \u00e7ekilmi\u015f foto\u011fraf\u0131n\u0131 g\u00f6r\u00fcnce cesaret buldum ve babam\u0131n, kitapta da bahsedilen, ki\u015filik \u00f6zelliklerini olu\u015fturan kilit noktalar\u0131n\u0131 anlatmaya ba\u015flad\u0131m; a\u00e7l\u0131k, s\u00fcrekli a\u00e7l\u0131k, tehcire dair suskunluk ve sonra memleketi olan ve \u015fans eseri 71 ya\u015f\u0131ndayken geri d\u00f6nd\u00fc\u011f\u00fc da\u011flar, kar\u0131s\u0131yla mutlu mesut ya\u015fad\u0131\u011f\u0131 \u0130talya\u2019daki da\u011flar… Ve belki de da\u011fdayken de hissetti\u011fi, \u2018demirci\u2019 diye bilinen ailesinden miras o hayatta kalma g\u00fcc\u00fc\u2026<\/p>\n

Raffaele’nin babas\u0131,’Demirci Garabed Canikyan,1910 (\u00fcstte) ve dedesi, Hodorc\u0327ur kazas\u0131n\u0131n ruhani lideri ve valisi Patrik Garabed Bakraduni C\u0327akalyan Hazretleri, 1900 (altta- Gianighian ars\u0327ivi)<\/p>\n

Bu kitap \u0130talya\u2019da yay\u0131mlanmadan \u00f6nce baban\u0131zla soyk\u0131r\u0131m hakk\u0131nda hi\u00e7 konu\u015fmu\u015f muydunuz? <\/b><\/p>\n

Babam tehcirden ve B\u00fcy\u00fckba\u011f\u2019daki hayatta kalma hik\u00e2yesinden nadiren bahsederdi: Par\u00e7a par\u00e7a, ufak detaylar, bir meyve cinsi, \u00f6zel bir ekmek, sevdi\u011fi bir e\u015fek bazen g\u00fcn y\u00fcz\u00fcne \u00e7\u0131kard\u0131 ama ki\u015fisel tarihinden hi\u00e7bir detay\u0131 anlatmad\u0131. Hem Ermeni hem de T\u00fcrk halk\u0131 bu trajedi hakk\u0131nda sessiz kald\u0131. Hikayesini, 1977 yaz\u0131nda Alp da\u011fc\u0131lar\u0131n\u0131n bir ke\u015fif gezisi vesilesiyle Hodor\u00e7ur\u2019a gittikten sonra yazd\u0131\u011f\u0131 kitapla anlatt\u0131. D\u00f6nd\u00fckten sonra, y\u0131llar \u00f6nce ald\u0131\u011f\u0131 Royal marka daktilosunda, Ermenice harflerle durmadan yazmaya ba\u015flad\u0131; ne hakk\u0131nda yazd\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 da b\u00fct\u00fcn bu s\u00fcre zarf\u0131nda hi\u00e7 s\u00f6ylemedi. Ona s\u00fcrekli ne yazd\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 soruyorduk ama sadece \u201cYaz\u0131yorum i\u015fte!\u201d diye cevap veriyordu. Bir s\u00fcre sonra da sormaktan vazge\u00e7tik.<\/p>\n

Yazmay\u0131 bitirdi\u011finde, metni k\u0131saltarak \u0130talyancaya \u00e7evirdi ve sonunda da bana kitab\u0131 vererek, \u201cBu benim hik\u00e2yem\u201d dedi. B\u00fcy\u00fck bir ilgiyle okudum ve sonunda o korkun\u00e7 d\u00f6rt y\u0131l boyunca nas\u0131l bir travma ya\u015fad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 anlad\u0131m. Kitab\u0131 okuduktan sonra T\u00fcrkiye\u2019ye, Hodor\u00e7ur\u2019a yapmay\u0131 planlad\u0131\u011f\u0131m seyahati iptal ettim. T\u00fcrkiye\u2019yi ziyaret etmeye tekrar karar vermek 20 y\u0131l\u0131m\u0131 ald\u0131.<\/p>\n

\u00d6yleyse Hodor\u00e7ur\u2019a gitmeyi de tekrar d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnmeye ba\u015flad\u0131n\u0131z\u2026<\/b><\/p>\n

\u015eimdi, babam\u0131n k\u00f6y\u00fcne d\u00f6nd\u00fc\u011f\u00fc ya\u015fta, 71 ya\u015f\u0131nday\u0131m. Karde\u015fim Vartan 2010\u2019da gitti oraya. Bense, dedi\u011fim gibi, 1980\u2019lerin ba\u015f\u0131nda yapmay\u0131 planlad\u0131\u011f\u0131m seyahati iptal etmi\u015ftim. \u015eimdi gitme zaman\u0131 geldi ve \u00e7ok ge\u00e7 olmadan bu seyahati planlamaya \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131yorum.<\/p>\n

Kitab\u0131n Ermenice bas\u0131lmas\u0131n\u0131 da ister misiniz?<\/b><\/p>\n

Evet, b\u00f6yle bir projem de var ama bunun i\u00e7in epeyce bir zamana ve dil e\u011fitimi almam gerek, zira Ermenicem pek iyi de\u011fil. Babam\u0131n daktiloda yazd\u0131\u011f\u0131 Ermenice orijinal metinde, \u0130talyanca versiyonunda olmayan baz\u0131 cevherler olabilir. Babam Hodor\u00e7ur\u2019u Ermenice basmaya karar vererek, elyazmas\u0131n\u0131 Venedik\u2019teki Saint Lazarus Manast\u0131r\u0131\u2019ndan Peder Mardiros\u2019a teslim etmi\u015fti; matbaan\u0131n ba\u015f\u0131nda o vard\u0131. Ama bilemedi\u011fim sebeplerle hi\u00e7bir geli\u015fme olmad\u0131. K\u0131sa bir s\u00fcre \u00f6nce elyazmas\u0131 bana ge\u00e7ti. Buradan \u00fc\u00e7 b\u00f6l\u00fcm\u00fc kopyalamay\u0131 ba\u015far\u0131p \u0130stanbul\u2019daki M\u0131hitaryan Okulu\u2019nda \u00f6\u011fretmen olan Sevan De\u011firmenciyan\u2019a teslim ettik. Okuma etkinli\u011finde bu b\u00f6l\u00fcmleri okuyan da o oldu. Kitap \u0130ngilizceye \u00e7evrildi, edit\u00f6rl\u00fc\u011f\u00fcn\u00fc de karde\u015fim Vartan yapt\u0131. \u015eimdi\u00a0 \u2018Hodor\u00e7ur\u2019 elimizde ama Ermenicesi h\u00e2l\u00e2 yok.\u00a0<\/p>\n

K\u0130TAPTAN\u00a0<\/b><\/p>\n

\u2018Benim tan\u0131\u015flardan kimler hayatta?\u2019<\/b><\/p>\n

\u201cElimi avucunun i\u00e7ine al\u0131yor, dikkatle bak\u0131p inceliyor, y\u00fcz\u00fcmde Aleksan\u2019a benzeyen bir \u015feyler ar\u0131yor. \u2018Ziyaretin \u015fahs\u0131ma zevk ve \u015feref veriyor. Seninle beraber Aleksan\u2019\u0131 da g\u00f6remedi\u011fime \u00fcz\u00fcld\u00fcm. \u00c7ocukken beraber \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131r, beraber oynard\u0131k. 1915 Haziran\u0131\u2019nda, Hodor\u00e7ur tehciri s\u0131ras\u0131nda babam, hayat\u0131n\u0131 tehlikeye at\u0131p Aleksan\u2019\u0131n ailesini Hunutsar \u00e7iftli\u011fine g\u00f6t\u00fcrd\u00fc. Onlar\u0131 iki ay saklad\u0131k. Erzurum valisi, Hodor\u00e7ur\u2019dan ikinci grubun da tehcir edilmesini emretmi\u015fti. Aleksan\u2019\u0131n ailesinin de kaderi di\u011ferleriyle ayn\u0131 oldu. Biraderini son defa 1915 A\u011fustos ay\u0131nda Hunut\u2019ta g\u00f6rm\u00fc\u015ft\u00fcm. Baban bay Avedis, bay Garabet ve Aleksan\u2019a \u015f\u00f6yle demi\u015fti: \u2018Sizi kurtarmaya hi\u00e7bir g\u00fcc\u00fcm yok. Sizi korkutmak istemem; Hodor\u00e7ur\u2019dan \u00e7\u0131kan ilk kervan da\u011f\u0131t\u0131ld\u0131; ikincinin de ak\u0131beti ayn\u0131 olacak. Avedis, k\u0131z\u0131n\u0131 o\u011flumla evlendirelim.\u2019 Avedis A\u011fa babama \u2018Varvar daha \u00e7ok k\u00fc\u00e7\u00fck, birka\u00e7 sene daha bekleyelim, Hodor\u00e7ur\u2019a geri d\u00f6nme \u00fcmidimiz b\u00fcy\u00fck, o vakit o\u011flunla mesut bir evlilik yapmas\u0131na raz\u0131 olurum,\u2019 cevab\u0131n\u0131 vermi\u015fti. Sava\u015ftan sonra Avedis ve Garabet Yemi\u015f\u00e7iyan biraderlerin Trabzon\u2019a ge\u00e7ip Tiflis\u2019e gittiklerini \u00f6\u011frendim. De bana \u015fimdi Caniko\u011flu Rapael, benim tan\u0131\u015flardan kimler hayatta?\u201d<\/p>\n

\u2018Sen o salk\u0131mlar\u0131 ne \u00e7ok severdin\u2026\u2019<\/b><\/p>\n

\u201cGe\u00e7mi\u015fin hat\u0131ralar\u0131 haf\u0131zamda canlan\u0131yor, gidip do\u011fdu\u011fum evin y\u0131k\u0131nt\u0131lar\u0131 \u00fczerine oturarak ilk gen\u00e7li\u011fimi anmak ihtiyac\u0131n\u0131 hissediyorum. K\u0131z\u0131l dutlar\u0131n g\u00f6lgesinde oturup Erivan\u2019da ya\u015fayan biraderime sesleniyorum: \u2018Burada k\u0131z\u0131l dutlar\u0131 buldum. Sen o salk\u0131mlar\u0131 ne \u00e7ok severdin. Yoklu\u011funu hissediyorum!\u2019 \u00c7antamdan Kisak\u2019\u0131n foto\u011fraf\u0131n\u0131 \u00e7\u0131kar\u0131yorum. Yetmi\u015f d\u00f6rt y\u0131l \u00f6nce \u00e7ekilmi\u015f.<\/p>\n

Evleri tek tek g\u00f6zden ge\u00e7iriyorum, oturanlar\u0131 isim ve soy isimleriyle hat\u0131rl\u0131yorum. \u015eimdi ne ev var ne de onlar\u0131n sakinleri, her \u015fey silindi. Adeta bir deprem her \u015feyi silip s\u00fcp\u00fcrm\u00fc\u015f gibi.\u201d<\/p>\n

\u2018\u0130nsanlar masum kan\u0131 i\u00e7iyor\u2019<\/b><\/p>\n

\u201cMarta ana, \u00fcvey annem, Hermun\u2019un \u00f6l\u00fcm\u00fcnden sonra a\u011fz\u0131na bir lokma yemek koymad\u0131. Oru\u00e7 ay\u0131nda gibiydi.<\/p>\n

Kap\u0131n\u0131n \u00f6n\u00fcnde duran g\u00fczel hal\u0131n\u0131n \u00fczerine oturup sadece bir bardak \u00e7ay i\u00e7iyordu. Huzurlu bir \u015fekilde \u0130sa\u2019yla konu\u015fuyor, Peder Zakkar\u2019a \u015f\u00f6yle diyordu: \u2018Yak\u0131n\u0131ma gel; beraber dua edelim. Bu d\u00fcnya zalim oldu, insanlar hayvan gibi masum kan\u0131 i\u00e7iyorlar. Evimiz g\u00f6ky\u00fcz\u00fcnde, hakikatse kalbimizde. Ruhum kainatta dolan\u0131yor. Ermeni milleti i\u00e7in adalet istiyorum. Kocamla ve \u00e7ocuklar\u0131mla beraber havada u\u00e7uyor gibiyim. Kalbim, huzur ve s\u00fck\u00fbn i\u00e7inde ne\u015fe ve saadet dolu. Beni dinliyor musun Peder Zakkar? Hadi beraber s\u00f6yleyelim: \u0130sa, senin ad\u0131n A\u015fkt\u0131r.\u201d<\/p>\n

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