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\u2018\u0130nsanl\u0131\u011fa kar\u015f\u0131 i\u015flenmi\u015f su\u00e7lar\u2019 ve \u2018soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u2019 deyince akla gelen birka\u00e7 tarih\u00e7iden biri Yves Ternon. \u00d6zellikle Ruanda, Yahudi ve Ermeni soyk\u0131r\u0131mlar\u0131 \u00fczerine \u00e7al\u0131\u015fan Ternon, uzun y\u0131llar as\u0131l mesle\u011fi olan hekimli\u011fi icra eder, daha sonralar\u0131 kendini tarih alan\u0131nda ara\u015ft\u0131rmalar yapmaya adar. Ternon ile doktorluktan, ara\u015ft\u0131rmac\u0131l\u0131\u011fa giden bu ser\u00fcven ve yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131 ara\u015ft\u0131rmalar \u00fczerine s\u00f6yle\u015ftik.<\/h4>\n<\/div>\n
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\u2018Ne kurban ne de cellat!\u2019Albert Camus\u2019n\u00fcn 1946\u2019da \u2018M\u00fccadele\u2019(Combat) adl\u0131 kitab\u0131nda ge\u00e7en bu s\u00f6ze at\u0131fta bulunan Yves Ternon ise \u015f\u00f6yle devam edecekti:\u00a0 \u00ab\u00a0Soyk\u0131r\u0131m ya da insanl\u0131\u011fa kar\u015f\u0131 i\u015flenmi\u015f su\u00e7lar\u0131n kurbanlar\u0131, en az sava\u015f ma\u011fdurlar\u0131 kadar ya da silahl\u0131 bir sald\u0131r\u0131ya kurban gitmi\u015f, bir araba kazas\u0131nda hayat\u0131n\u0131 yitirmi\u015f ya da do\u011fal bir felakatte \u00f6lm\u00fc\u015f insanlar kadar ma\u011fdurlard\u0131r. Bunu ink\u00e2r etmek su\u00e7u devam ettirmektir. (L\u2019innocence Des Victimes, Au Si\u00e8cle Des G\u00e9nocides, (Soyk\u0131r\u0131mlar Y\u00fczy\u0131l\u0131nda Kurbanlar\u0131n Masumiyeti) Paris, Histoire, 2001, sayfa. 22)<\/p>\n

\u2018\u0130nsanl\u0131\u011fa kar\u015f\u0131 i\u015flenmi\u015f su\u00e7lar\u2019 ve \u2018soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u2019 deyince akla gelen birka\u00e7 tarih\u00e7iden biri Yves Ternon. \u00d6zellikle Ruanda, Yahudi ve Ermeni soyk\u0131r\u0131mlar\u0131 \u00fczerine \u00e7al\u0131\u015fan Ternon, uzun y\u0131llar as\u0131l mesle\u011fi olan hekimli\u011fi icra eder, daha sonralar\u0131 kendini tarih alan\u0131nda ara\u015ft\u0131rmalar yapmaya adar. Ternon ile doktorluktan, ara\u015ft\u0131rmac\u0131l\u0131\u011fa giden bu ser\u00fcven ve yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131 ara\u015ft\u0131rmalar \u00fczerine s\u00f6yle\u015ftik.<\/p>\n

Mesle\u011finizin hekimlik oldu\u011funu biliyoruz. Tarih \u00fczerine \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmaya nas\u0131l karar verdiniz\u00a0? <\/strong><\/p>\n

K\u0131rkl\u0131 ya\u015flar\u0131ma kadar hekim olarak \u00e7al\u0131\u015ft\u0131m, yani kariyerimi bu alanda yapt\u0131m. Sonras\u0131nda hen\u00fcz 1970\u2019li y\u0131llar\u0131n ba\u015f\u0131ndayken tarih ilgimi \u00e7ekmeye ba\u015flad\u0131\u011f\u0131nda, ilk ara\u015ft\u0131rmam Nazi d\u00f6neminde k\u0131y\u0131mlara kat\u0131lan \u2018hekimler\u2019 oldu. Ba\u015fta bu konuyla ilgilendim. N\u00fcrnberg davalar\u0131n\u0131 okudum, Nazi Partisi i\u00e7inde yer alan ba\u015fl\u0131ca hekimleri ke\u015ffettim ve bunun bir soyk\u0131r\u0131m oldu\u011funu bilhassa kendim tasdik ettim. Tabii ki Holokost\u2019un varl\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 biliyorduk ama ben tarih alan\u0131nda detayl\u0131 okuma yapm\u0131\u015f olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131m i\u00e7in, bu konuya e\u011filerek bir\u00e7ok bilmedi\u011fim \u015feyin oldu\u011funu ke\u015ffettim. Bunlar\u0131n aras\u0131nda da Ermenilerin ba\u015f\u0131na gelenler vard\u0131. Okuduk\u00e7a Ermenilerin de buna benzer bir\u015fey ya\u015fam\u0131\u015f olduklar\u0131n\u0131 \u00f6\u011frendim ve maalesef bu konuda ne kadar bilgisiz kalm\u0131\u015f oldu\u011fumu da\u2026 Yani ben hen\u00fcz o tarihlerde, 1970\u2019lerde, Ermenilerin ba\u015f\u0131na gelenlerden bihaberdim. Sonra, tesad\u00fcfen, Hara\u00e7 gazetesinin sahibi Arpik Misakyan ile tan\u0131\u015fma f\u0131rsat\u0131 buldum ve kendisi bana inan\u0131lmaz bir ar\u015fiv sundu. Ermeni meselesinde olduk\u00e7a zengin, Frans\u0131zca ba\u015fta olmak \u00fczere bir\u00e7ok dilde bir ar\u015five sahipti bu gazete ve maalesef benden \u00f6nce kimse taraf\u0131ndan hen\u00fcz incelenmemi\u015fti. B\u00f6ylece, Ermeni meselesinde \u00e7al\u0131\u015fan ilk Frans\u0131z ya da ilk Ermeni olmayan ara\u015ft\u0131rmac\u0131 ben oldum diyebilirim. Benim Ermeni meselesiyle tan\u0131\u015fmam i\u015fte b\u00f6yle oldu. Yahudi Soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131\u2019n\u0131 da iyi incelemi\u015f oldu\u011fum i\u00e7in, Ermeni alan\u0131nda da kar\u015f\u0131la\u015ft\u0131rma yapma f\u0131rsat\u0131 buldum. Neticede kendimi 20. y\u00fczy\u0131l\u0131n insanl\u0131\u011fa kar\u015f\u0131 i\u015flenmi\u015f su\u00e7lar\u0131n\u0131 incelerken buldum. Bunlardan sonuncusu ise Ruanda\u2019daki Tutsiler \u00fczerinedir; son kitab\u0131m da zaten bunun \u00fczerine. Ve son olarak da 2015\u2019te y\u00fcz y\u0131ll\u0131k bir tarihin tekrar okunmas\u0131 \u00fczerine \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar yapt\u0131k. Bunlardan en \u00f6nemlisi ge\u00e7ti\u011fimiz baharda Paris\u2019te olan kolokyumdur. Burada, soyk\u0131r\u0131m alan\u0131ndaki \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalara yeni bir perspektifle bakmaya \u00e7al\u0131\u015ft\u0131k. Sava\u015f ve bu kapsamda i\u015flenilen su\u00e7lar\u2026 \u0130nsanl\u0131\u011fa kar\u015f\u0131 i\u015flenen su\u00e7lar konusu \u00e7ok geni\u015f bir konu, incelenmesi gereken \u00e7ok \u015fey var.<\/p>\n

Terminolojiye gelirsek, \u2018insanl\u0131\u011fa kar\u015f\u0131 i\u015flenen su\u00e7\u2019 ve \u2018soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u2019 aras\u0131nda ne gibi farklar var\u00a0?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u0130ki ayr\u0131 terim ama ayn\u0131 zamanda da birbirini tamamlayan ifadeler bunlar. \u00c7o\u011fu zaman da birbirine kar\u0131\u015ft\u0131r\u0131l\u0131r. Soyk\u0131r\u0131m insanl\u0131\u011fa kar\u015f\u0131 i\u015flenmi\u015f bir su\u00e7tur. \u2018\u0130nsanl\u0131\u011fa kar\u015f\u0131 i\u015flenen su\u00e7\u2019 terimi 1945\u2019lerde uluslararas\u0131 boyutta tan\u0131mland\u0131. Soyk\u0131r\u0131m ise bilindi\u011fi \u00fczere 1948\u2019de Rafael Lemkin taraf\u0131ndan tan\u0131mlan\u0131yor. Fakat bu terim bu tarihte tan\u0131mland\u0131 diye bu tarihten \u00f6nce soyk\u0131r\u0131m olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131 anlam\u0131na gelmiyor. \u00d6rne\u011fin N\u00fcrnberg davalar\u0131nda \u2018soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u2019 terimi defalarca kullan\u0131l\u0131yor oysa Lemkin bu terimi hen\u00fcz \u00fcretmemi\u015fti. Bu terimler hukukidir ve uluslararas\u0131 olarak tan\u0131mlanm\u0131\u015ft\u0131r. En son olarak da 1998\u2019de ikisinin de tan\u0131m\u0131 uluslararas\u0131 arenada net bir \u015fekilde belirlendi. Mesela, bug\u00fcn biliyoruz ki Yugoslavya\u2019da ya\u015fananlar ya da Ruanda\u2019da ya\u015fananlar bir soyk\u0131r\u0131md\u0131r.<\/p>\n

Ermeni Soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131 ve Yahudi Soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131\u2019n\u0131 birbiriyle kar\u015f\u0131la\u015ft\u0131rabilir miyiz\u00a0?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Tabii ki kar\u015f\u0131la\u015ft\u0131rma yap\u0131labilir, hatta yap\u0131lmal\u0131d\u0131r da. T\u00fcm soyk\u0131r\u0131m \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131 birbirini tamamlar. Bir kere bu iki soyk\u0131r\u0131m aras\u0131nda farkl\u0131l\u0131klar olmakla birlikte bir\u00e7ok benzerlikler var. Ba\u015fta, en temelinde bu iki soyk\u0131r\u0131m arkas\u0131nda da bir ideoloji yat\u0131yor. Yahudi Soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131 \u0131rk\u00e7\u0131l\u0131k ideolojisi \u00fczerine temellenmi\u015ftir. Bu ideoloji antisemitizm ya da daha amiyane tabirle \u2018Yahudi nefreti\u2019 fikrine dayan\u0131yor. J\u00f6nt\u00fcrklerde de benzer bir ideoloji egemen. T\u00fcrk\u00e7\u00fcl\u00fck, yani T\u00fcrk milliyet\u00e7ili\u011fi ve pant\u00fcrkizm. Bu iki ideoloji sonunda \u00f6yle bir noktaya dogru evrilir ki T\u00fcrk olmayan t\u00fcm \u00f6gelerden kurtulmak gerekti\u011fi d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcncesi hakim olur. Yani H\u0131ristiyanlardan mesela Ermenilerden kurtulmak gerekir.<\/p>\n

\u00d6te yandan bu iki ideoloji \u015fu a\u00e7\u0131dan birbirinden ayr\u0131l\u0131yor. Biri tamamen saf \u0131rk\u00e7\u0131 bir ideoloji, yani Yahudi Soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131\u2019nda olan budur. \u015e\u00f6yle a\u00e7\u0131klamak laz\u0131m bunu. Osmanl\u0131\u2019daki Ermenilerin durumu ile Almanya\u2019daki Yahudileri k\u0131yaslarsak, Yahudiler do\u011frudan bir problem olu\u015fturmuyorlard\u0131 yani ne toprak sorunu vard\u0131 ne de dini-etnik bir problem. Oysa Ermenilerin Anadolu\u2019da bir \u00f6zerklik sorunu vard\u0131 ve zaten H\u0131ristiyan olmalar\u0131 ba\u015fl\u0131ca ayr\u0131mc\u0131l\u0131\u011fa t\u00e2bi tutulmalar\u0131n\u0131 sa\u011flayan unsurlardand\u0131. Bu a\u00e7\u0131dan bakt\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131zda Ermeniler, Anadolu topraklar\u0131nda \u2018tehdit\u2019 olu\u015fturuyorlard\u0131 ve bu sorun bertaraf edilmeliydi, ama nas\u0131l? Ermenilerin imhas\u0131yla\u2026 \u0130ki soyk\u0131r\u0131ma da bakt\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131zda asl\u0131nda iki ayr\u0131 \u00e7er\u00e7eve var ama ikisi de ideoloji temelli ve ikisi de soyk\u0131r\u0131mla sonu\u00e7lan\u0131yor.<\/p>\n

Sosyal Darwinist teoriyi, temelde g\u00fc\u00e7l\u00fc \u0131rk\u0131n daha zay\u0131f olan\u0131 yok etmesi ideolojisi olarak a\u00e7\u0131klayabiliriz. Bu \u015fekilde bakt\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131zda Sosyal Darwinist teoriyi en iyi bilenlerin hekimler oldu\u011funu s\u00f6ylemek yanl\u0131\u015f olmaz. Nazi Almanyas\u0131\u2019nda bir \u00e7ok hekim Yahudi Soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131\u2019n\u0131 organize etti. \u0130ttihat ve Terraki Parti\u2019sinde ise bir \u00e7ok hekim oldu\u011funu ve Ermeni Soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131\u2019nda g\u00f6rev ald\u0131klar\u0131n\u0131 biliyoruz. Bunun bilin\u00e7li bir se\u00e7im oldu\u011funu s\u00f6yleyebilir miyiz\u00a0?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Tesad\u00fcf olmasa gerek. \u00d6rne\u011fin Dr. Naz\u0131m ya da Dr. Bahaettin \u015eakir, bunlar Ermeni Soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131\u2019nda \u00e7ok ciddi etkisi olanlar aras\u0131ndad\u0131rlar. Bunlar\u0131n ise doktor olmalar\u0131 tesad\u00fcf olmayabilir \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc \u00e7o\u011fu J\u00f6nt\u00fcrklerin \u00e7ekirde\u011fini olu\u015fturan asker\u00ee hekim olarak g\u00f6rev yapanlardan se\u00e7ilmi\u015ftir. Tabii ki kendi mesleki bilgilerini Ermenilerin imhas\u0131nda da kullanm\u0131\u015f olabilirler. \u00d6te yandan bu bir tesad\u00fcf de\u011fil \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc o d\u00f6nemde, okumu\u015f, e\u011fitimli \u00e7ok az insan vard\u0131; bunlar\u0131n en \u00f6nde gelenleri ise yine bu J\u00f6nt\u00fcrklerin aras\u0131ndayd\u0131lar.<\/p>\n

Almanya\u2019da oldu\u011fu gibi, \u0130ttihat ve Terakki\u2019de de de soyk\u0131r\u0131m s\u00fcrecine dahil olmayanlar ya da Ermenilerin s\u00fcr\u00fclmemesi, \u00f6ld\u00fcr\u00fclmemesi i\u00e7in yard\u0131m eden b\u00fcrokratlar var m\u0131yd\u0131?\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n

Vard\u0131 tabii ki ama \u00e7ok azd\u0131. Yard\u0131m eden grubu ikiye ay\u0131rmak gerekir. Birincisi, b\u00fcrokrat \u00f6l\u00e7e\u011finde; baz\u0131 valiler ya da kaymakamlar\u0131n kesinlikle bu s\u00fcre\u00e7te yer almak istemediklerini biliyoruz. Fakat dedi\u011fim gibi say\u0131lar\u0131 \u00e7ok azd\u0131. \u0130kincisi, yerel \u00f6l\u00e7ekte; yani yerel halktan insanlar. Anadolu\u2019daki K\u00fcrt a\u015firetlerinin, ailelerin, Ezidilerin Ermenilere yard\u0131m ettiklerini biliyoruz. Ermenilerin, Anadolu\u2019da K\u00fcrt halk\u0131yla ili\u015fkileri iyiydi ve ki\u015fisel boyutta birbirlerine bu s\u00fcre\u00e7te yard\u0131m ettiklerini biliyoruz. Bunlar tabii ki hakk\u0131nda daha derin ara\u015ft\u0131rmalar yap\u0131lmas\u0131 gereken konular.<\/p>\n

Soyk\u0131r\u0131mla ilgilendi\u011finiz gibi onun ink\u00e2r\u0131yla da ilgileniyorsunuz\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n

Tabii ki ilgileniyorum. 100 y\u0131ll\u0131k bir ink\u00e2r bu; hatta ink\u00e2rdan \u00f6nce \u2018yok sayma\u2019 politikas\u0131. Bug\u00fcn T\u00fcrkiye, Ermenilerin katledildi\u011fini kabul etmedi\u011fi gibi onlar\u0131n var olduklar\u0131n\u0131 da yok saym\u0131\u015f oluyor. Taner Ak\u00e7am\u2019\u0131n dedi\u011fi gibi, T\u00fcrk kimli\u011fi Ermenilerin \u2018olmamas\u0131\u2019 \u00fczerine kurulu. Bir g\u00fcn e\u011fer soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131 kabul ederse onlar\u0131n var oldugunu da kabul etmi\u015f olacak. Yani T\u00fcrk kimli\u011finin bir k\u0131sm\u0131 zedelenmi\u015f olacak. Bu da \u00e7ok zor tabii ki. O nedenle ink\u00e2r\u0131n daha uzun y\u0131llar varl\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 s\u00fcrd\u00fcrece\u011fini d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorum. Fakat bu ink\u00e2r sadece Ermenilerin ink\u00e2r\u0131 da de\u011fil, K\u00fcrtlerin de ink\u00e2r\u0131 s\u00f6z konusu. T\u00fcrk kimli\u011fi, K\u00fcrtleri \u2018K\u00fcrt\u2019 kimlikleri ile kabul etmiyor; onlar\u0131 \u2018T\u00fcrk\u2019 olarak g\u00f6rmek istiyor oysa ger\u00e7ek bu de\u011fil. Yani \u015funu kabul etmek gerekir ki bug\u00fcn T\u00fcrk kimli\u011fi sorunlu bir kimlik ve T\u00fcrkiye Cumhuriyeti\u2019nin kurulu\u015funun temellerini olu\u015fturuyor. Bu temelleri yerinden sarsmak ise kolay de\u011fil, uzun y\u0131llar bu konuda \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmak gerekiyor. Neyse ki bug\u00fcn art\u0131k bu konu \u00fczerine \u00e7al\u0131\u015fan bir \u00e7ok bilim insan\u0131 var ve bunlar\u0131n bir k\u0131sm\u0131 da T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de olmas\u0131 iyi bir i\u015faret.<\/p>\n

T\u00fcrkiye\u2019deki toplumsal de\u011fi\u015fim ad\u0131na neler s\u00f6yleyebilirsiniz?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Bir yandan bu d\u00fczenin de\u011fi\u015fece\u011fine dair umudum yok, \u00f6te yandan da s\u00f6z\u00fcn\u00fc etti\u011fim t\u00fcrdeki \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar umut veriyor. Ama sonu\u00e7 olarak \u015funu s\u00f6ylemek do\u011fru olacakt\u0131r; Ermeni Soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131 maalesef ba\u015far\u0131l\u0131 olmu\u015f bir soyk\u0131r\u0131md\u0131r. Yahudi Soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131\u2019ndan sonra Naziler silindi. Ruanda\u2019da siyasi rejim de\u011fi\u015fti, oysa T\u00fcrkiye bug\u00fcn h\u00e2l\u00e2 J\u00f6nt\u00fcrk zihniyetiyle y\u00f6netiliyor. \u0130ttihat ve Terraki siyaseti devam ediyor. Yani de\u011fi\u015fim var ama yeterli de\u011fil. K\u0131sacas\u0131 bu \u015fartlar alt\u0131nda \u00fc\u00e7 nedenle Ermeni Soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131\u2019n\u0131n ink\u00e2r\u0131n\u0131n devam edece\u011fini d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorum. Bir; T\u00fcrk kimli\u011finin yeniden in\u015fas\u0131n\u0131n imk\u00e2ns\u0131zl\u0131\u011f\u0131. \u0130ki; Tazminat sorunu. \u00dc\u00e7; Kemalizm ya da \u0130slamc\u0131 siyasi ideolojinin d\u00f6n\u00fc\u015f\u00fcmlerinin imk\u00e2ns\u0131zl\u0131\u011f\u0131. Dolay\u0131s\u0131yla T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de e\u011fer demokrasi olmazsa ve yukar\u0131da sayd\u0131klar\u0131m k\u00f6k\u00fcnden de\u011fi\u015fmezse, bir de\u011fi\u015fim zor olur. En az\u0131ndan benim umudum yok. Lakin, bug\u00fcn HDP gibi Ermeni Soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131\u2019n\u0131 kabul etmeye haz\u0131r siyasi olu\u015fumlar var; az\u0131nl\u0131kta da olsalar var. B\u00f6yle d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnen siyasi olu\u015fumlar\u0131n say\u0131s\u0131 artarsa ancak o zaman de\u011fi\u015fim m\u00fcmk\u00fcn olabilir.<\/p>\n

T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de ink\u00e2rc\u0131l\u0131\u011f\u0131n s\u0131k kulland\u0131\u011f\u0131 s\u0131fatlardan biri de \u2018s\u00f6zde soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u2019 ve siz de zaman zaman \u2018s\u00f6zde tarih\u00e7i\u2019 olarak ge\u00e7iyorsunuz\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n

Hic \u00f6nemli degil. Ben bunu hi\u00e7 \u00f6nemsemiyorum \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de bug\u00fcne kadar iktidarda olanlar da ger\u00e7ekleri en az benim kadar biliyorlar; bunu biliyorum. Her ne kadar ink\u00e2r politikas\u0131 g\u00fcd\u00fclse de ger\u00e7ek onlar\u0131n da bildi\u011fi gibi tek. \u00d6rne\u011fin 1984\u2019te Paris Sorbonne \u00dcniversitesi\u2019nde soyk\u0131r\u0131m \u00fczerine uluslararas\u0131 bir kolokyum yap\u0131lm\u0131\u015ft\u0131 ve buna T\u00fcrkiye de davetliydi. \u2018Buyurun gelin a\u00e7\u0131k\u00e7a konu\u015fun, tart\u0131\u015f\u0131n\u2019 dedik; davet ettik ama onlar gelmediler ve \u20189 Soru-Cevapta S\u00f6zde Soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u2019 ba\u015fl\u0131kl\u0131 bir mektup yollamakla yetindiler. O g\u00fcnden bu yana bak\u0131yorum da hem \u00e7ok \u015fey de\u011fi\u015fti hem de hi\u00e7bir \u015fey de\u011fi\u015fmedi. H\u00e2l\u00e2 bu yalan soyleme ve ink\u00e2r gelene\u011fi s\u00fcr\u00fcyor. Bunu bir e\u011fitim sistemi ile nesilden nesile ge\u00e7irme politikas\u0131 maalesef h\u00e2l\u00e2 mevcut. Bu sistem \u00e7ok k\u00f6klu belki ama y\u0131k\u0131lmadan da bir\u015feylerin de\u011fi\u015fece\u011fine inanm\u0131yorum.<\/p>\n

\u2018As\u0131l de\u011fi\u015fim, d\u00f6n\u00fc\u015f\u00fcm T\u00fcrkiye\u2019den gelecek\u2019<\/strong><\/h3>\n

Son 15 y\u0131lda bu konuda ilerlemeler oldu. Tabular y\u0131k\u0131ld\u0131, konu\u015fulamayan ne varsa art\u0131k daha rahat s\u00f6ylenir oldu. Sizce bir uyan\u0131\u015f ya\u015fanmad\u0131 m\u0131? <\/strong><\/p>\n

Uyan\u0131\u015f oldu ve zaten bu ancak T\u00fcrkiye\u2019den gelebilirdi. Biz tarih\u00e7iler, ara\u015ft\u0131rmac\u0131lar olarak, elimizden geleni yap\u0131yoruz ama as\u0131l de\u011fi\u015fim, d\u00f6n\u00fc\u015f\u00fcm T\u00fcrkiye\u2019den gelecek. T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de son 15 y\u0131lda ya\u015fananlar muazzam de\u011fi\u015fiklikler, bunu baslatanlardan da Taner Ak\u00e7am ve onun gibi tarih\u00e7iler. Hakikat aray\u0131\u015f\u0131nda olan bu tarih\u00e7ilerin \u00f6n\u00fcne kimse ge\u00e7emeyecek. Bug\u00fcn e\u011fer soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131 kabul edenlerin say\u0131s\u0131 artt\u0131ysa bu, T\u00fcrkiye\u2019deki \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131n sayesinde olmu\u015ftur. 15 y\u0131l \u00f6nce halk\u0131n ancak y\u00fczde 2\u2019si soyk\u0131r\u0131m ger\u00e7e\u011fini kabul ediyordu. Oysa bug\u00fcn bu oran y\u00fczde 15\u2019lerin \u00fcst\u00fcnde. Yani bu tarih\u00e7ilerin yapt\u0131klar\u0131n\u0131 \u00e7ok \u00f6nemsiyorum \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc onlar ve biz yabanc\u0131 \u00fclkelerde \u00e7al\u0131\u015fan tarih\u00e7iler aras\u0131nda muazzam farkl\u0131l\u0131klar var. Bizim \u2018tuzumuz kuru\u2019 diyebilirim. Oturdu\u011fumuz yerden bizler ancak T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de \u00e7al\u0131\u015fma yapanlar\u0131n ve bunu yaparken de hayat\u0131n\u0131 riske atanlar\u0131n i\u015flerine bir par\u00e7a katk\u0131 sa\u011fl\u0131yabiliyorsak ne mutlu bize. Yani bug\u00fcn, d\u00fcn de oldu\u011fu gibi, T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de olup da T\u00fcrkiye \u00fczerine \u00e7al\u0131\u015fma yapmakla Avrupa\u2019da bulunup T\u00fcrkiye \u00fczerine \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmak aras\u0131nda fark var. \u0130nan\u0131n bug\u00fcn T\u00fcrk tarih\u00e7ilerinin yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131 \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar cesaret gerektiren bir i\u015f ama bu alanda yap\u0131lan \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar i\u00e7in ise olmazsa olmaz.<\/p>\n

Peki, bu alanda \u00e7al\u0131\u015fma yapmak isteyen bilim insanlar\u0131, ara\u015ft\u0131rmac\u0131lar i\u00e7in yeni kaynaklar neler? <\/strong><\/p>\n

Her zaman s\u00f6ylenir, ar\u015fivlerdir denir. Fakat ar\u015fivler bildi\u011finiz \u00fczere sorunlu. Bir\u00e7o\u011funa ula\u015fabilmek m\u00fcmk\u00fcn de\u011fil. Homojenle\u015ftirme politikasyla birlikte, T\u00fcrk olmayan unsurlarla ilgili bir\u00e7ok bilgi, veri imha edildi. \u00d6te yandan J\u00f6nt\u00fcrklerle ilgili epeyce bir ar\u015fivin a\u00e7\u0131k oldu\u011funu da biliyoruz fakat bunlar i\u00e7in de Osmanl\u0131ca bilmek gerekiyor. Bug\u00fcn her\u015feye ra\u011fmen en az\u0131ndan baz\u0131 verilere ar\u015fivler arac\u0131l\u0131\u011f\u0131yla ula\u015fabilmek m\u00fcmk\u00fcn. \u00d6te yandan yar\u0131n birg\u00fcn tazmin konusu a\u00e7\u0131l\u0131rsa, kadastrolar\u0131 da a\u00e7mak gerekecek ve o zaman \u00e7al\u0131nm\u0131\u015f, yok edilmi\u015f, el konulmu\u015f mal ve m\u00fclklere ula\u015fmak bize \u00e7ok veri sa\u011flayabilir. Yani yine dedi\u011fim gibi, uyan\u0131\u015f, de\u011fi\u015fim, T\u00fcrkiye\u2019den gelecek, yeni veriler de orada sakl\u0131.<\/p>\n

\u2018Ermeni Tabusu\u2019ndan<\/strong><\/h3>\n

Yves Ternon\u2019u T\u00fcrkiyeli okurlar, 1993\u2019te Belge Yay\u0131nlar\u0131 taraf\u0131ndan yay\u0131mlanan \u2018Ermeni Tabusu\u2019 kitab\u0131yla tan\u0131d\u0131lar. \u0130lk kez Frans\u0131zca olarak 1977\u2019de \u2018Les Armeniens: Histoire D\u2019un Genocide\u2019 (Editions du Seuil) ad\u0131yla yay\u0131mlanan kitaba Ternon\u2019un yazd\u0131\u011f\u0131 \u00d6ns\u00f6z\u2019den bir b\u00f6l\u00fcm\u00fc sunuyoruz.<\/strong><\/p>\n

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Be\u015f y\u0131l \u00f6nce bu \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmaya ba\u015flad\u0131\u011f\u0131mda, Ermenilerin ve T\u00fcrklerin tarihiyle ilgili neredeyse hi\u00e7bir \u015fey bilmiyordum. Alman doktorlar\u0131n\u0131n i\u015fledi\u011fi cinayetler \u00fczerine Socrate Helman\u2019la ortakla\u015fa y\u00fcr\u00fctt\u00fc\u011f\u00fcm\u00fcz \u00fc\u00e7 \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmay\u0131 hen\u00fcz bitirmi\u015ftim ve d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcncemi soyk\u0131r\u0131m \u00fczerinde, bir halk\u0131n nas\u0131l ve neden yok oldu\u011fu konusunda yo\u011funla\u015ft\u0131rmak istiyordum. Ara\u015ft\u0131rmalar\u0131m da iyice yo\u011funla\u015f\u0131nca, Ermenilerle ili\u015fkiye ge\u00e7tim. Etkileme \u00e7abas\u0131 g\u00fctmeksizin t\u00fcm\u00fc de beni daha derinle\u015ftirilmi\u015f bir sorgulamaya sevk ettiler ve tarihleri hakk\u0131nda nesnel bir bak\u0131\u015fa ula\u015fmama yard\u0131mc\u0131 oldular. Frans\u0131z Ermeni toplulu\u011fu kar\u015f\u0131s\u0131nda bana kefil olan, g\u00fcnl\u00fck Ermeni gazetesi Hara\u00e7\u2019\u0131n y\u00f6neticisi Arpik Missakian\u2019a \u00f6zellikle te\u015fekk\u00fcr bor\u015fluyum. Sorbonne\u2019da tarih asistan\u0131 ve Y\u00fcksek \u00d6\u011frenim Okulu\u2019nda ders g\u00f6revlisi Anahide Ter Minassian, bu \u00e7al\u0131\u015fman\u0131n birbirini izleyen versiyonlar\u0131n\u0131 okuma ve ele\u015ftirme inceli\u011fini g\u00f6sterdi. Ermeni, T\u00fcrk ve Rus sorunlar\u0131yla ilgili g\u00f6z\u00fcmden ka\u00e7an kimi temel \u00e7er\u00e7eveleri fark etmemi sa\u011flad\u0131. Bu kitap kendisine \u00e7ok \u015fey bor\u00e7lu.<\/p>\n

(\u2026) T\u00fcrklerle ili\u015fki kurmad\u0131\u011f\u0131m i\u00e7in di\u011fer taraf\u0131n g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015flerine kulak t\u0131kad\u0131\u011f\u0131m itiraz\u0131 getirilecektir. Olaylar\u0131n ger\u00e7ekli\u011fini bug\u00fcn de halen yads\u0131d\u0131klar\u0131 i\u00e7in, kan\u0131m odur ki bu g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmeler yaras\u0131z olacakt\u0131. Buna kar\u015f\u0131l\u0131k, ula\u015f\u0131labilir T\u00fcrk kaynaklar\u0131n\u0131n ba\u015fl\u0131calar\u0131n\u0131, \u00f6zellikle \u0130ngilizce ve Frans\u0131zca \u00e7evirilerinden ve ayr\u0131ca baz\u0131 \u00e7evrilmemi\u015f temel \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalardan irdeledim. En y\u00fcksek dile\u011fim, bu kitab\u0131n, kendisi hakk\u0131nda yap\u0131lacak ele\u015ftirilerden kalkarak, Ermeni ve T\u00fcrk haklar\u0131 aras\u0131nda 60 y\u0131ld\u0131r kopuk olan ba\u011flar\u0131n yeniden kurulmas\u0131na olanak sa\u011flamas\u0131d\u0131r.<\/p>\n

Nazl\u0131 Temir Beyleryan<\/a><\/p>\n

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