{"id":37899,"date":"2015-12-22T03:28:23","date_gmt":"2015-12-22T08:28:23","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?p=37899"},"modified":"2015-12-22T03:28:23","modified_gmt":"2015-12-22T08:28:23","slug":"bu-bir-ibadet-ozgurlugu-davasidir","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?p=37899","title":{"rendered":"\u2018Bu bir ibadet \u00f6zg\u00fcrl\u00fc\u011f\u00fc davas\u0131d\u0131r\u2019"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"Kilikya<\/a>Fatih G\u00f6khan Diler<\/a><\/b><\/p>\n

L\u00fcbnan\u2019da bulunan Kilikya Katolikoslu\u011fu, Adana\u2019n\u0131n Kozan il\u00e7esindeki m\u00fclklerinin iadesi i\u00e7in Anayasa Mahkemesi\u2019ne ba\u015fvuru yaparak, bu konuda tarih\u00ee denebilecek bir ad\u0131m att\u0131. Bir Ermeni kurumunun a\u00e7t\u0131\u011f\u0131 ilk m\u00fclk davas\u0131nda Katolikosluk\u2019un temsilcili\u011fini yapan Avukat Cem Sofuo\u011flu\u2019yla hem davada gelinen noktay\u0131, hem de genel olarak Ermenilerin a\u00e7t\u0131\u011f\u0131 \u00f6zel m\u00fclk davalar\u0131 hakk\u0131nda konu\u015ftuk.<\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n

Kilikya davas\u0131, bir Ermeni kurumunun a\u00e7t\u0131\u011f\u0131 ilk m\u00fclk davas\u0131 oldu\u011fu i\u00e7in \u00f6zel bir anlam\u0131 var. Bu noktadan ba\u015flayabilir miyiz?<\/b><\/p>\n

\u00d6ncelikle bu davay\u0131, bir din\u00ee kurum a\u00e7t\u0131; yani bireysel bir m\u00fclk talebi davas\u0131 de\u011fil. Avrupa ve T\u00fcrkiye\u2019deki kararlara uygun \u015fekilde t\u00fczel ki\u015fili\u011fi de olan bir kurum. Bu anlamda bir ilk\u2026 Diaspora, ilk defa hukuki bir ad\u0131m at\u0131yor. Bu \u00f6nemli \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc daha d\u00fcne kadar Diaspora meseleye siyasi yakla\u015f\u0131yordu. \u015eimdi ilk defa hukuki alana ge\u00e7erek, uluslararas\u0131 hukuktan da de\u011fil, T\u00fcrkiye\u2019deki hukuktan talepte bulunuluyor. Asl\u0131nda bu bir el uzatma. \u201cHukukunu tan\u0131yorum\u201d diyor ve T\u00fcrkiye\u2019deki bir mahkemeye \u201cM\u00fclk\u00fcm\u00fc geri ver\u201d talebinde bulunuyor.<\/p>\n

T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de bireylerin a\u00e7t\u0131\u011f\u0131 m\u00fclk davalar\u0131 da var.<\/b><\/p>\n

Evet, ama hen\u00fcz kazan\u0131lm\u0131\u015f tek bir dava bile olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 da belirtmek gerekir.<\/p>\n

Dava neden \u015fimdi a\u00e7\u0131ld\u0131?<\/b><\/p>\n

\u015eartlar \u015fimdi olgunla\u015ft\u0131. Daha \u00f6nce bu m\u00fclkleri istemeye kalkt\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131zda hakk\u0131n\u0131zda dava a\u00e7\u0131l\u0131yordu. Bu sebepten hapse giren insanlar var. Ama art\u0131k soyk\u0131r\u0131m hakk\u0131nda konu\u015fulabilecek bir ortam var. Bu davan\u0131n soyk\u0131r\u0131m konusuyla ilgisi yok ama bir Ermeni din\u00ee kurumunun bu davay\u0131 a\u00e7mas\u0131, ge\u00e7mi\u015fte b\u00fcy\u00fck sansasyon yarat\u0131rd\u0131. A\u00e7amazd\u0131k b\u00f6yle bir dava; ben a\u00e7mazd\u0131m, \u00f6yle s\u00f6yleyeyim, cesaret edemezdim.<\/p>\n

Davan\u0131n avukatl\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 \u00fcstlenseniz de dosyay\u0131 haz\u0131rlayan daha geni\u015f bir ekibin par\u00e7as\u0131s\u0131n\u0131z. Davay\u0131 a\u00e7ma s\u00fcrecinde nas\u0131l bir haz\u0131rl\u0131k yap\u0131ld\u0131? <\/b><\/p>\n

Dava a\u00e7ma karar\u0131n\u0131 Kilikya Katolikosu I. Aram ald\u0131; olu\u015fturulan ekip, nas\u0131l bir hukuki yol izlenmesi gerekti\u011fine karar verdi. Haz\u0131rl\u0131k a\u015famas\u0131nda delilleri toplad\u0131k, kal\u0131nt\u0131lar\u0131 foto\u011fraflad\u0131k, iki bilirki\u015fi raporu haz\u0131rland\u0131, bu raporlar i\u00e7in ayr\u0131 belgeler gerekti. Tapuda, tesad\u00fcfen kadastro kay\u0131tlar\u0131na ula\u015ft\u0131m. Bug\u00fcn kime ait oldu\u011funu g\u00f6rmek i\u00e7in, tapu kayd\u0131n\u0131 ald\u0131m ama idaredekiler evveliyat\u0131na inmemize izin vermedi. Bu konuda engelleyici bir genelge bulunuyor.<\/p>\n

H\u00e2kim, dosyay\u0131 a\u00e7t\u0131\u011f\u0131nda tam olarak ne g\u00f6r\u00fcyor?<\/b><\/p>\n

\u00d6ncelikle foto\u011fraflar\u0131 g\u00f6r\u00fcyor. Y\u00fcz y\u0131l \u00f6nce burada Ermenilere ait bir din\u00ee merkez oldu\u011funu g\u00f6steren foto\u011fraflar var. Bug\u00fcn de o merkezin kal\u0131nt\u0131lar\u0131 var. Zaten Kozan\u2019da herkes bu kal\u0131nt\u0131lara manast\u0131r diyor. Kadastro kay\u0131tlar\u0131nda da \u2018Manast\u0131r Caddesi\u2019 olarak ge\u00e7iyor. Ayr\u0131ca bu kal\u0131nt\u0131lar, K\u00fclt\u00fcr ve Tabiat Varl\u0131klar\u0131n\u0131 Koruma Kurulu\u2019nca koruma alt\u0131na al\u0131nm\u0131\u015f bir S\u0130T alan\u0131. Bunlar hep delil. Ama \u201c\u0130spat edin size ait oldu\u011funu\u201d derlerse, ona da devlet izin vermiyor, tutanaklara giremiyoruz. Dosyada bu zorlu\u011fu a\u015fmak i\u00e7in Anayasa Mahkemesi\u2019ne yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z talep de var.<\/p>\n

Siz bu durumda yerel mahkemeyi atlay\u0131p do\u011frudan Anayasa Mahkemesi\u2019ne ba\u015fvurdunuz. Bunun nedenini a\u00e7abilir misiniz?<\/p>\n

Birinci sebebi, daha \u00f6nce yay\u0131mlanm\u0131\u015f olan engelleyici genelgeler, k\u00f6kle\u015fmi\u015f yarg\u0131 kararlar\u0131. Kazan\u0131lm\u0131\u015f tek bir dava yok. Yayg\u0131n g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015f diyor ki, kazanamazs\u0131n\u0131z karde\u015fim, bu i\u015f bitmi\u015ftir, y\u00fcz y\u0131l \u00f6nceydi, ge\u00e7mi\u015f olsun. Etkin bir hak arama yolu mevcut de\u011fil. Biz bu \u00fc\u00e7 fakt\u00f6r\u00fc s\u0131ralad\u0131k.<\/p>\n

\u201cY\u00fcz y\u0131l \u00f6nce burada Ermenilere ait bir din\u00ee merkez oldu\u011funu g\u00f6steren foto\u011fraflar var. Bug\u00fcn de o merkezin kal\u0131nt\u0131lar\u0131 var. Kozan\u2019da herkes bu kal\u0131nt\u0131lara manast\u0131r diyor. Kadastro kay\u0131tlar\u0131nda da \u2018Manast\u0131r Caddesi\u2019 olarak ge\u00e7iyor.\u201d<\/i><\/b><\/p>\n

Sa\u011flam delillerle m\u00fclk\u00fcn kendisine ait oldu\u011funu ispat eden ki\u015filerin kar\u015f\u0131la\u015ft\u0131klar\u0131 zorluklar neler?<\/b><\/p>\n

\u0130lk olarak zaman a\u015f\u0131m\u0131\u2026 Kadastro Kanunu\u2019nun 10 y\u0131ll\u0131k bir kural\u0131 var. O b\u00f6lgeden kadastro ge\u00e7mi\u015f, birisi \u00e7\u0131km\u0131\u015f demi\u015f ki buras\u0131 bana ait, ad\u0131n\u0131 yazd\u0131rm\u0131\u015f, buna hak sahibi oldu\u011funu iddia eden ki\u015fi, 10 y\u0131l i\u00e7inde itiraz edebilir; ama bu davalarda on y\u0131ll\u0131k s\u00fcre de \u00e7oktan ge\u00e7mi\u015f. Hak d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcr\u00fcc\u00fc s\u00fcre\u2026 Kadastro Kanunu\u2019nun bu amir h\u00fckm\u00fc \u00e7ok b\u00fcy\u00fck engel\u2026 Bizim davada da kadastro, 1982\u2019de ge\u00e7mi\u015f. Kadastro ge\u00e7erken g\u00f6r\u00fcyor, burada bir manast\u0131r var, birine ait bu besbelli. Belediyenin ya da Hazine\u2019nin olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131 da kesin. Yani bu kadastro tutana\u011f\u0131 kasten yanl\u0131\u015f tutulmu\u015f. \u015eu andaki malik belediye, ama b\u00fcy\u00fck ihtimal Hazine\u2019ye ge\u00e7mi\u015f. Kadastro kay\u0131tlar\u0131n\u0131 g\u00f6remedi\u011fimiz i\u00e7in bilemiyoruz. Tahminim Hazine ald\u0131, \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc yayg\u0131n uygulama bu\u2026 Do\u011fru da yapm\u0131\u015f Hazine \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc sahipsiz arazi ya\u011fmalan\u0131r.<\/p>\n

Kadastro kay\u0131tlar\u0131na ula\u015fam\u0131yor olu\u015funuzun asl\u0131nda bir nedeni var. Agos\u2019un da daha \u00f6nce man\u015fetine ta\u015f\u0131d\u0131\u011f\u0131 bir genelge bunu engelliyor. Bu genelgenin i\u00e7eri\u011fini hat\u0131rlatabilir misiniz?<\/b><\/p>\n

1983 ve 2001 tarihli Kadastro Genel M\u00fcd\u00fcrl\u00fc\u011f\u00fc\u2019n\u00fcn yay\u0131nlad\u0131\u011f\u0131 iki genelge var. Bu genelgeler, kelimesi kelimesine ayn\u0131. Genelgede, m\u00fctegallip ki\u015fi dedi\u011fi Ermenilerin mallar\u0131yla ilgili hi\u00e7bir i\u015flem yapmay\u0131n diyor. Bilgi vermeyin diyor. Tespit yapmay\u0131n diyor. Y\u00fcz y\u0131l ge\u00e7mi\u015f \u00fczerinden. Tapular da Osmanl\u0131 tapular\u0131\u2026 Y\u00fcz y\u0131l i\u00e7inde Ermenilerin geride b\u0131rakm\u0131\u015f oldu\u011fu t\u00fcm o araziler \u00fczerine, tabii yeni binalar yap\u0131ld\u0131. \u00c7e\u015fitli defalar sat\u0131\u015f i\u015flemleri yap\u0131ld\u0131. Bug\u00fcnk\u00fc gibi kadastro olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131 i\u00e7in eski tapular da mesela, kuzeyde de\u011firmen var diyor, g\u00fcneyde dere, bat\u0131da tepe var diyor, b\u00f6yle. \u015eimdi bunlar\u0131n hi\u00e7biri yok, neye g\u00f6re tespit edeceksin. \u0130spat sorunu var. Hadi ispat ettiniz, Kadastro Kanunu on y\u0131l ge\u00e7ti diyor. Dolay\u0131s\u0131yla, \u015fans\u0131 \u00e7ok d\u00fc\u015f\u00fck bu t\u00fcr davalar\u0131n.<\/p>\n

Kilikya davas\u0131nda ba\u015fka bir durum var. Manast\u0131r h\u00e2l\u00e2 yerinde duruyor, bir ispat sorunu yok.<\/b><\/p>\n

Evet, bu duruma ne diyecekler, hadi di\u011ferlerinde tespit sorunu var, manast\u0131r\u0131 kay\u0131tlara nas\u0131l yanl\u0131\u015f ge\u00e7irdin? O tutana\u011f\u0131 nas\u0131l tuttun? M\u0131zrak \u00e7uvala s\u0131\u011facak gibi de\u011fil.<\/p>\n

T\u00fcrkiye\u2019deki hukuk b\u00f6yle zorluklar \u00e7\u0131kar\u0131yor, peki Kilikya Katolikosu, bunu bilerek neden bu yolu se\u00e7ti? Ba\u015fka yollar yok muydu?<\/b><\/p>\n

Siyasi irade kararname \u00e7\u0131kar\u0131r ve m\u00fclk\u00fc Katolikosluk\u2019a verebilirdi ama Katolikos yarg\u0131 yolunu se\u00e7ti.<\/p>\n

\u0130ki yol ayn\u0131 anda da takip edilebilir, Katolikosluk\u2019un siyasilerle bu konuda bir temas\u0131 oldu mu?<\/b><\/p>\n

Katolikos, tamamen yasal yollar\u0131 tercih etmeyi uygun g\u00f6rd\u00fc. Buradan sonu\u00e7 al\u0131namazsa, A\u0130HM\u2019e ba\u015fvurulacak.<\/p>\n

Anayasa Mahkemesi\u2019nden nas\u0131l bir karar \u00e7\u0131kabilir?<\/b><\/p>\n

Ya hakl\u0131s\u0131n\u0131z der ya da haks\u0131zs\u0131n\u0131z. Bizi haks\u0131z bulursa, gerek\u00e7e olarak zaman a\u015f\u0131m\u0131n\u0131 g\u00f6sterebilir, 30 g\u00fcnl\u00fck ba\u015fvurusu s\u00fcresini ge\u00e7irmi\u015fsiniz der. Y\u00fcz y\u0131l ge\u00e7ti malum, i\u00e7 hukuk yollar\u0131n\u0131 t\u00fcketin \u00f6yle gelin diyebilir. Bana g\u00f6re bu \u00fc\u00e7 se\u00e7enekten biri olabilir. Hakl\u0131s\u0131n\u0131z derse, yine bizi yerel mahkemeye y\u00f6nlendirecek ve yeni bir yasal yol a\u00e7\u0131lacak. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc Anayasa Mahkemesi\u2019nin tapuya talimat verecek hali yok, bizim gidip yerel mahkemeden bu karar\u0131 almam\u0131z gerekiyor. Ama sonu\u00e7ta mahkemeyi ba\u011flayan bir karar \u00e7\u0131kacak.<\/p>\n

Mahkeme, sizi i\u00e7 hukuk yollar\u0131n\u0131 t\u00fcketmedi\u011finiz gerek\u00e7esiyle geri \u00e7evirebilir. <\/b><\/p>\n

M\u00fcvekkilin tercihi bu y\u00f6nde oldu. Bunun hukuki sonu\u00e7lar\u0131n\u0131 kendilerine elbette izah ettim. Bu konuda \u00e7ok tart\u0131\u015ft\u0131k ama nihayetinde m\u00fcvekkil b\u00f6yle tercih etti. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc i\u00e7 hukuk yollar\u0131nda, \u00f6zellikle de bir gayrimenkul davas\u0131, nereden bakarsan\u0131z be\u015f ile on y\u0131l aras\u0131nda s\u00fcrer. B\u00f6yle tarih\u00ee bir dava da epey uzun s\u00fcrebilir. Biz de bakt\u0131k ve g\u00f6rd\u00fck ki, etkili hukuk yollar\u0131 kapal\u0131, b\u00f6yle bir davay\u0131 kazanman\u0131n m\u00fcmk\u00fcnat\u0131 yok. Kazan\u0131lm\u0131\u015f \u00f6rnek bir dava yok. Demek ki etkili bir ba\u015fvuru yolu yok.<\/p>\n

Kilikya davas\u0131n\u0131n emsal olu\u015fturup ba\u015fka m\u00fclk davalar\u0131n\u0131n \u00f6n\u00fcn\u00fc a\u00e7ma olas\u0131l\u0131\u011f\u0131 var m\u0131?<\/b><\/p>\n

Benim kanaatim, bu dava, \u00f6zel m\u00fclkler i\u00e7in a\u00e7\u0131labilecek davalara emsal olu\u015fturmaz. Olsa olsa kiliselere olabilir. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc bizim s\u00f6yledi\u011fimiz \u015fey, m\u00fclkiyet hakk\u0131m\u0131z\u0131n ve inan\u00e7 \u00f6zg\u00fcrl\u00fc\u011f\u00fcm\u00fcz\u00fcn ihlal edildi\u011fi \u015feklinde. Bu talep, Anayasa\u2019n\u0131n \u2018Din ve Vicdan H\u00fcrriyeti\u2019 ba\u015fl\u0131kl\u0131 24. maddesine dayan\u0131yor. Benim kanaatim, \u00f6zel m\u00fclkiyet konusunda siyasi bir \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fcm gerekiyor. Siyasi irade diyecek ki, elinde belgeleri olan gelsin, ben a\u00e7\u0131yorum tapu kay\u0131tlar\u0131n\u0131, ba\u015fka t\u00fcrl\u00fc olmaz. Tazminat ileride \u00f6zel m\u00fclk davalar\u0131nda bir yol olabilir, ama devletin en az\u0131ndan kiliseleri iade etmesi gerekiyor.<\/p>\n

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