{"id":36692,"date":"2015-09-26T02:05:41","date_gmt":"2015-09-26T07:05:41","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?p=36692"},"modified":"2015-09-26T02:05:41","modified_gmt":"2015-09-26T07:05:41","slug":"biz-yasarkende-hrant-dink-konusuyor","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?p=36692","title":{"rendered":"&#8216;Biz Ya\u015farken&#8217;de Hrant Dink konu\u015fuyor"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b><i>2<a href=\"http:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?attachment_id=36693\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-36693\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-36693\" alt=\"Biz Ya\u015farken\" src=\"http:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/09\/Biz-Ya\u015farken-300x194.jpg\" width=\"300\" height=\"194\" srcset=\"https:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/6\/2015\/09\/Biz-Ya\u015farken-300x194.jpg 300w, https:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/6\/2015\/09\/Biz-Ya\u015farken.jpg 510w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a>0 y\u0131ld\u0131r \u2018S\u00f6z u\u00e7ar yaz\u0131 kal\u0131r\u2019 s\u00f6z\u00fcn\u00fc, radyocu jargonuyla \u2018dirse\u011fini\u2019 frekas\u0131ndan yayan A\u00e7\u0131k Radyo, 20. ya\u015f\u0131n\u0131 kutlamak i\u00e7in haz\u0131rlanan serinin ilk kitab\u0131 olan \u2018Biz Ya\u015farken\u2019i ge\u00e7ti\u011fimiz g\u00fcnlerde Encore Yay\u0131nlar\u0131\u2019ndan yay\u0131mlad\u0131. Art\u0131k aram\u0131zda olmayan, yolu radyodan ge\u00e7mi\u015f sesleri yad eden kitaptan, 2004 y\u0131l\u0131nda Hrant Dink\u2019le yap\u0131lm\u0131\u015f bir s\u00f6yle\u015finin bir b\u00f6l\u00fcm\u00fcn\u00fc yay\u0131ml\u0131yoruz. <\/i><\/b><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">A\u00e7\u0131k Radyo 20. y\u0131l\u0131n\u0131 kitaplarla kutluyor. A\u00e7\u0131k Radyo Kitapl\u0131\u011f\u0131 ad\u0131 alt\u0131nda, 20 y\u0131l boyunca yap\u0131lm\u0131\u015f s\u00f6yle\u015filerin, en az\u0131ndan bir k\u0131sm\u0131n\u0131n yaz\u0131l\u0131 kayd\u0131n\u0131 tutmay\u0131 ama\u00e7layan seri, kent m\u00fccadeleleriyle ilgili s\u00f6yle\u015filerin yer ald\u0131\u011f\u0131 \u2018Kentin Tozu\u2019 program\u0131, radyonun ilk programlar\u0131ndan \u2018Bu \u015eehr-i \u0130stanbul\u2019 ve radyoya u\u011frayan yerli ya da uluslararas\u0131 \u015fahsiyetlerle yap\u0131lm\u0131\u015f zihin a\u00e7\u0131c\u0131 sohbetlerin derlenece\u011fi \u2018A\u00e7\u0131k Radyo Konu\u015fuyor\u2019 kitaplar\u0131yla devam edecek. \u0130lk olaraksa, biz ya\u015famaya devam ederken art\u0131k aram\u0131zda olmayan &#8220;konu\u015fmac\u0131lar&#8221;\u0131, yolu radyodan ge\u00e7mi\u015f k\u0131ymetli insanlar\u0131 yad eden \u2018Biz Ya\u015farken\u2019 \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Ornette Coleman, Ne\u015fet Erta\u015f, James Baldwin, Bak\u0131r \u00c7a\u011flar, Aykut Barka, Nuh K\u00f6kl\u00fc, K\u00e2z\u0131m Koyuncu, Hrant Dink, Serol Teber, Tuncel Kurtiz ve Madam Melpomeni\u2019nin sesini okuyucuya tekrar ula\u015ft\u0131ran kitapttaki \u00e7arp\u0131c\u0131 s\u00f6yle\u015filerden birisi de muhakkak Hrant Dink\u2019le yap\u0131lm\u0131\u015f olan\u0131.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">20 A\u011fustos 2004 tarihinde \u2018Cuma Rehaveti\u2019 program\u0131nda Eser Karaka\u015f\u2019\u0131n konu\u011fu olan Hrant Dink, genel yay\u0131n y\u00f6netmeni oldu\u011fu Agos\u2019u anlat\u0131rken bir yandan da g\u00fcncel politikaya dair yorumlar\u0131n\u0131 payla\u015f\u0131yor. D\u00f6nemin tart\u0131\u015f\u0131lan konular\u0131ndan biri olan T\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin AB\u2019ye girmesi ba\u015fta olmak \u00fczere pek \u00e7ok konunun konu\u015fuldu\u011fu bu s\u00f6yle\u015finin bir k\u0131sm\u0131n\u0131, bir radyo program\u0131na yara\u015f\u0131r ve kitapta da yer ald\u0131\u011f\u0131 \u015fekliyle, araya giren m\u00fczik par\u00e7alar\u0131yla yay\u0131ml\u0131yoruz.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">***<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>E. Karaka\u015f:<\/b> Evet Hrant, \u015fimdi gelelim yine bir siyasi konunun ba\u015fka bir uzant\u0131s\u0131na, T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de her noktan\u0131n d\u00f6n\u00fcp dola\u015f\u0131p geldi\u011fi Avrupa Birli\u011fi konusuna. \u00c7ok \u00f6nemli \u00fc\u00e7 d\u00f6rt ay ge\u00e7iriyoruz. Belki T\u00fcrkiye tarihinin orta vadede belirleyicisi olacak bir Aral\u0131k 2004 ge\u00e7irece\u011fiz. Ne diyorsun bu s\u00fcrece? Aral\u0131k 2004\u2019e ili\u015fkin beklentilerin nedir?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>H. Dink: <\/b>Ya bu s\u00fcrece benim ne dedi\u011fimi belki en iyi bilenlerden biri sensin. Bizim \u00fclke insan\u0131n\u0131 bir Kuvay-i Milliye ruhuyla bir &#8220;Kuvay-i Avrupa&#8221; hareketine davet etmi\u015ftim ben, yani o kadar radikal bir \u015fekilde bu Avrupa Birli\u011fi s\u00fcrecini \u00f6nemsiyorum. Avrupa Birli\u011fi\u2019ne giri\u015ften ziyade bu s\u00fcreci \u00e7ok \u00f6nemsiyorum. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc yine bir benzetmem var, bug\u00fcn Avrupa Birli\u011fi bir gen\u00e7 k\u0131z g\u00f6r\u00fcn\u00fcm\u00fcnde belki&#8230; bizim ona olan sevdam\u0131z falan b\u00f6yle bir \u015fey. Biz ona ula\u015ft\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131zda belki \u00e7ok ya\u015fl\u0131 \u00e7irkin bir kokonaya da d\u00f6nm\u00fc\u015f olabilir. \u00d6nemli de\u011fil, biz bu a\u015fk\u0131 ya\u015fayal\u0131m, bu a\u015fk \u00e7ok \u00f6nemli, bu sevda \u00e7ok \u00f6nemli \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc bizim demokratikle\u015fmemiz \u00f6nemli&#8230; Ger\u00e7ekten bu sevda bizi gen\u00e7 k\u0131l\u0131yor, bizi ya\u015fat\u0131yor. Bu \u00e7ok \u00f6nemli bir \u015fey.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>E. Karaka\u015f:<\/b> T\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin hi\u00e7 olmayan bir dinami\u011fi zaten.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>H. Dink: <\/b>M\u00fcthi\u015f bir dinamizmi ortaya \u00e7\u0131kar\u0131yor&#8230;Tabii bizim \u00fclkede \u015fimdi \u015f\u00f6yle bir \u015fey var: Yani biz yapaca\u011f\u0131m\u0131z\u0131 yapt\u0131k, her \u015fey bitti ve AB \u00e7antada keklik, m\u00fczakere tarihini ald\u0131k diye b\u00f6yle bir rahatlama var. Yani benim bilgilerimden ziyade, sezgilerime g\u00f6re (bazen sezgiler bilgilerden \u00e7ok daha g\u00fc\u00e7l\u00fcd\u00fcr onu da s\u00f6yleyeyim) o kadar \u00e7antada keklik de\u011fil durum. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc Avrupa Birli\u011fi\u2019nin siyasi erkleriyle, kamuoylar\u0131 aras\u0131nda ciddi bir radikal b\u00f6l\u00fcnme oldu\u011funu seziyorum. Asl\u0131nda siyasi erkler bug\u00fcn taahh\u00fctlerde bulunmu\u015f olabilirler T\u00fcrkiye\u2019ye, biz de bu taahh\u00fcd\u00fc talep edebiliriz. Sonu\u00e7ta Avrupa Birli\u011fi\u2019nin tayin edicisi siyasi erkleri de\u011fil, kamuoylar\u0131d\u0131r. Bunu hi\u00e7 akl\u0131m\u0131zdan \u00e7\u0131karmayal\u0131m. Dolay\u0131s\u0131yla bizim kamuoyuna y\u00f6nelik \u00e7abam\u0131z\u0131 art\u0131rmam\u0131z gerekirdi diye d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorum. Do\u011frusu ben Tayyip Erdo\u011fan\u2019\u0131n bu son celalli deme\u00e7lerini, beyanatlar\u0131n\u0131 da \u00e7ok tasvip etmiyorum. &#8220;B\u00f6yle oldu oldu, olmad\u0131 biz art\u0131k yokuz&#8221; t\u00fcr\u00fcnden laflar\u0131 hi\u00e7 etmemeli. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc T\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin sonras\u0131na ili\u015fkin herhangi bir B plan\u0131 da yok. Biz bu s\u00fcreci ne kadar da olsa zorlayaca\u011f\u0131z ve zorlamam\u0131z da gerekiyor&#8230; Her iki taraf\u0131n ayd\u0131nlar\u0131n\u0131n, sivil toplum \u00f6rg\u00fctlerinin bir \u00e7\u0131karma hareketine girmesi gerekti\u011fini d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorum. Ve tart\u0131\u015f\u0131rsak yani usturuplu bir \u015fekilde tart\u0131\u015f\u0131rsak, ikna edici metotlar\u0131m\u0131z ve verilerimiz olursa y\u00fczde y\u00fcz hepsini ikna edebiliriz demiyorum ama en az\u0131ndan b\u00fcy\u00fck \u00e7o\u011funlu\u011funu fazla konu\u015famaz duruma getiririz asl\u0131nda.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>E. Karaka\u015f: <\/b>Bu Avrupa Birli\u011fi \u00fclkeleri aras\u0131nda Ermeni n\u00fcfusunun en y\u00fcksek oldu\u011fu yer Fransa m\u0131?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>H. Dink:<\/b> Evet Fransa. Bu konu asl\u0131nda&#8230;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>E. Karaka\u015f:<\/b> Fransa Ermenileri nas\u0131l bir tav\u0131r al\u0131yorlar bu konuda?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>H. Dink:<\/b> Kesinlikle hay\u0131r diyorlar.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>E. Karaka\u015f:<\/b> \u00c7ok rasyonel bir tav\u0131r de\u011fil galiba bu?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>H. Dink: <\/b>Hi\u00e7 de\u011fil, ben o konularda kendileriyle birka\u00e7 defa tart\u0131\u015ft\u0131m.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>E. Karaka\u015f: <\/b>Onlar\u0131n kar\u015f\u0131tl\u0131\u011f\u0131 T\u00fcrkiye\u2019yi cezaland\u0131rmak galiba?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>H. Dink: <\/b>Onlar\u0131n dedikleri \u015fu; T\u00fcrkiye soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131 kabul etmemi\u015f bir \u00fclke. Dolay\u0131s\u0131yla soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131 kabul etmemi\u015f bir \u00fclkenin Avrupa gibi bir uygarl\u0131k i\u00e7erisinde yer almas\u0131na asla izin verilemez! Bunu belki s\u00f6yleyebilirler ama bunu kalk\u0131p siyasi alanda kendilerine destek bulabilecek bir zemine kayd\u0131rm\u0131\u015f olmalar\u0131, o bence biraz i\u015fin tehlikeli taraf\u0131.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>E. Karaka\u015f:<\/b> Diyelim ki bu gerek\u00e7eyle Avrupa, \u2013olacak i\u015f de\u011fil ama\u2013, bu gerek\u00e7eyle siyasi erkinde hay\u0131r dedi, bunun Fransa Ermenilerine ne yarar\u0131 olacak?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>H. Dink: <\/b>Yok, yani bir yarar\u0131 olmaz.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>E. Karaka\u015f:<\/b> T\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin daha sertle\u015fmesine, i\u00e7ine kapanmas\u0131na&#8230;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>H. Dink: <\/b>Ya Eser muhakkak sen de \u00f6yle bak\u0131yorsundur; ben art\u0131k Avrupa Birli\u011fi meselesine, T\u00fcrkiye ile Avrupa Birli\u011fi aras\u0131ndaki bir siyasi hareketlilik olarak bakm\u0131yorum. Bir birlikle, bir ulus devlet aras\u0131ndaki bir hareketlilik olarak bakm\u0131yorum. Ben T\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin Avrupa Birli\u011fi\u2019ne girmesine bir d\u00fcnya hareketi olarak bak\u0131yorum. Yani \u00e7ok \u00f6nemli! \u0130nan, 11 Eyl\u00fcl\u2019den sonra T\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin bence en b\u00fcy\u00fck dezavantaj\u0131 olan \u0130slam h\u00fcviyeti bug\u00fcn onun en b\u00fcy\u00fck avantaj\u0131na d\u00f6n\u00fc\u015fm\u00fc\u015f durumda, Avrupa Birli\u011fi\u2019ne girmesi a\u00e7\u0131s\u0131ndan. Avrupa Birli\u011fi hi\u00e7bir nedenden almasa, T\u00fcrkiye\u2019yi s\u0131rf M\u00fcsl\u00fcman oldu\u011fu i\u00e7in almas\u0131 laz\u0131m diye d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorum.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>E. Karaka\u015f: <\/b>Ama demokrasiyle beraber.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>H. Dink: <\/b>Tabii demokrasiyle beraber. Ya \u015fimdi bir de \u015f\u00f6yle bir \u015fey var, biz ya\u015fad\u0131k g\u00f6r\u00fcyoruz, i\u015fte bunu gidip Avrupa\u2019ya anlatmam\u0131z laz\u0131m, kamuoyuna. Demokrat olmak, bug\u00fcnden yar\u0131n sabaha olunan bir \u015fey de\u011fil! Ya da bu devletin ba\u015f\u0131ndaki insanlar karar verdi: &#8220;Hadi heeey millet biz bug\u00fcn bu gece demokrat oluyoruz, yar\u0131n sabah art\u0131k demokrat olarak uyanaca\u011f\u0131z, biz bu gece Ermeni soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131n\u0131 kabul ettik, yar\u0131n art\u0131k Ermeni soyk\u0131r\u0131m\u0131 meselesi bizde bitmi\u015f olacak!&#8221; &#8230; bunlar b\u00f6yle \u015feyler de\u011fil. Bunlar demokratik bir s\u00fcre\u00e7 ister, bir sorgulama s\u00fcreci, tarihe bir bak\u0131\u015f tarz\u0131, bir konu\u015fma \u00fcslubu, bir empati \u00fcslubu, kar\u015f\u0131 taraf\u0131 anlamaya \u00e7al\u0131\u015fma \u00fcslubu, bu t\u00fcr \u015feyler ister. Dolay\u0131s\u0131yla, Avrupa Birli\u011fi\u2019ndeki Ermenilerin de bunu anlamas\u0131 laz\u0131m, Avrupal\u0131lar\u0131n da bunu anlamas\u0131 laz\u0131m. Herkesin anlamas\u0131 gereken as\u0131l, \u00e7ok \u00e7ok \u00f6nemli nokta \u015fu: D\u00fcnya bir Do\u011fu-Bat\u0131 \u00e7at\u0131\u015fmas\u0131na do\u011fru gidiyor. Bu Do\u011fu-Bat\u0131 \u00e7at\u0131\u015fmas\u0131 kendi i\u00e7erisinde bir din \u00e7at\u0131\u015fmas\u0131na do\u011fru da gidebilir, seyredebilir!<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>E. Karaka\u015f: <\/b>D\u00fcnyan\u0131n felaketi olur bu herhalde.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>H. Dink: <\/b>Felaketin de felaketi olur. Yani bunlar r\u00fcya de\u011fil. \u0130nan, r\u00fcya de\u011fil. Bug\u00fcn d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnebiliyor musun Erdo\u011fan\u2019\u0131n s\u00f6yledi\u011fi \u015fu c\u00fcmleyi: \u201cBizi e\u011fer d\u0131\u015flarlarsa biz de bunun arkas\u0131nda ba\u015fka bir \u015fey arar\u0131z, yani biz M\u00fcsl\u00fcman oldu\u011fumuz i\u00e7in\u201d&#8230; \u0130\u015fte buyur kutupla\u015fman\u0131n \u00e7ok net bir hali. D\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcn bunu yani.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>E. Karaka\u015f: <\/b>\u0130\u015fin k\u00f6t\u00fcs\u00fc, haks\u0131z da de\u011filse, durum iyice k\u00f6t\u00fc.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">H. Dink: Evet b\u00f6yle bir \u015fey. Bu kadar net bir \u015fey. Bu \u00e7at\u0131\u015fman\u0131n bence \u015fimdi fitili duruyor, burada duruyor, bomba olarak yani. Bu \u00e7at\u0131\u015fma bomba olarak duruyor orta yerde. Avrupa Birli\u011fi m\u00fczakere tarihi g\u00fcn\u00fc verece\u011fi kararla ya bu fitili \u00e7ekecek, ate\u015fleyecek ya da o bombay\u0131 imha edecek. Hareketi o g\u00fcn orada yapacak. M\u00fczakere karar\u0131 T\u00fcrkiye\u2019ye evet demek olursa, bence bu sorunu yani Do\u011fu-Bat\u0131 ya da \u0130slam-H\u0131ristiyan \u00e7at\u0131\u015fmas\u0131n\u0131 inan\u0131lmaz derecede yenilgiye u\u011fratacak \u2013 inan\u0131lmaz derecede.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>E. Karaka\u015f:<\/b> Benim en b\u00fcy\u00fck g\u00fcvencem \u015fu: Fransa\u2019da da Almanya\u2019da da ba\u015fka AB \u00fcyesi \u00fclkelerde de bu senin s\u00f6ylediklerini bilen insanlar\u0131n say\u0131s\u0131n\u0131n az olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 biliyorum ama d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorum, umuyorum var&#8230;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>H. Dink: <\/b>Var ama i\u015fte bunlar\u0131 gidip onlarla konu\u015fmak laz\u0131m, ger\u00e7ekten hat\u0131rlatmak laz\u0131m, biliyorlarsa bile. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc onlar da orada bask\u0131 i\u00e7erisindeler. Anlatabiliyor muyum? \u015eu arg\u00fcman mesela, o kadar yabana at\u0131lacak bir arg\u00fcman de\u011fil. T\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin soyk\u0131r\u0131ma ili\u015fkin bu tutumu sorun olu\u015fturuyor. Demokratik insan haklar\u0131 a\u00e7\u0131s\u0131ndan bakt\u0131\u011f\u0131n zaman Bat\u0131 kamuoyu i\u00e7in bu t\u00fcr \u015feyleri halen sorun olarak b\u0131rakm\u0131\u015f olmak kabul edilecek bir tav\u0131r de\u011fil \u2013 bu a\u00e7\u0131lardan hakl\u0131lar. Ama onlara \u015funu da anlatmak laz\u0131m, T\u00fcrkiye hangi demokratik s\u00fcreci ya\u015f\u0131yor? Nereden nereye geliyor? T\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin \u00e7\u00f6zemedi\u011fi tek sorun Ermeni sorunu mu? T\u00fcrkiye daha d\u00f6rt sene \u00f6nceki Susurluk \u00e7etesinin meselesini \u00e7\u00f6zemedi be! Y\u00fcz sene \u00f6nceki olay\u0131n perde arkas\u0131n\u0131 m\u0131 \u00e7\u00f6zecek?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>E. Karaka\u015f: <\/b>\u00d6z\u00fcnde belki ayn\u0131 sorun bu&#8230;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>H. Dink: <\/b>Olmaz olur mu? D\u00f6rt sene \u00f6ncekini \u00e7\u00f6zd\u00fck m\u00fc Eser? \u00c7\u00f6zemedik&#8230; Ya bizim \u00e7\u00f6zemedi\u011fimiz o kadar \u00e7ok sorun var ki&#8230; Bat\u0131 Avrupa kamuoyunun bunu anlamas\u0131 laz\u0131m. Biz bu demokratikle\u015fme s\u00fcrecimiz i\u00e7erisinde bu sorunlar\u0131n hepsinden yava\u015f yava\u015f kurtuluruz ve ger\u00e7ek kurtulu\u015f bi\u00e7imini de ya\u015fam\u0131\u015f oluruz. D\u0131\u015fardan dayatmalarla soyk\u0131r\u0131m meseleleri \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fclmez. \u0130\u00e7eride i\u00e7 dinami\u011fin sorgulamalar\u0131yla bu sorunlar \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fcl\u00fcrse \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fcl\u00fcr. Bunun iyi anla\u015f\u0131lmas\u0131 laz\u0131m. Yani demokrasi denilen \u015fey budur.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>E. Karaka\u015f: <\/b>Senin dediklerinin de bu s\u00fcreci h\u0131zland\u0131rmada faydas\u0131 oluyor.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>H. Dink: <\/b>\u0130tiraz\u0131m yok. Avrupa Birli\u011fi\u2019nin T\u00fcrkiye\u2019deki demokrasiyi h\u0131zland\u0131rmada nas\u0131l bir buzk\u0131ran vazifesi g\u00f6rd\u00fc\u011f\u00fcn\u00fc net olarak g\u00f6r\u00fcyoruz. Bize kalsa, bir ba\u015f\u0131m\u0131za yani yapabilir miydik b\u00f6yle \u015feyleri, imk\u00e2n\u0131 var m\u0131yd\u0131?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>E. Karaka\u015f:<\/b> \u00c7ok zor, otuz y\u0131lda belki, otuz y\u0131l da hayat\u0131m\u0131z i\u00e7in az bir s\u00fcre de\u011fil hani.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>H. Dink:<\/b> Bu s\u00fcrecin azalmamas\u0131 laz\u0131m.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>E. Karaka\u015f: <\/b>Kesinlikle.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>H. Dink:<\/b> Kesintiye de girmemesi laz\u0131m. Her \u015fey bitti havas\u0131ndan da bence \u00e7ok \u00e7abuk s\u0131yr\u0131lmam\u0131z laz\u0131m.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>E. Karaka\u015f: <\/b>Hrant senle konu\u015fmak istedi\u011fim ba\u015fka konular da vard\u0131 ama s\u00fcre doluyor.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>H. Dink:<\/b> Tamam.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>E. Karaka\u015f:<\/b> Biraz mutfaktan bahsedecektim, Ermeni mutfa\u011f\u0131ndan ama&#8230; ondan senin han\u0131m \u00e7ok iyi anl\u0131yor&#8230;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>H. Dink:<\/b> Diyor ki Rakel\u2019i getirelim&#8230;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>E. Karaka\u015f:<\/b> Ba\u015fka sorular\u0131m vard\u0131 ama ba\u015fka zamana kalacak herhalde bunlar. Neyse Hrant, \u00e7ok te\u015fekk\u00fcr ediyorum.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>H. Dink: <\/b>Ben te\u015fekk\u00fcr ediyorum.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>E. Karaka\u015f: <\/b>Ger\u00e7ekten A\u00e7\u0131k Radyo dinleyicileri ad\u0131na da te\u015fekk\u00fcr ediyorum, g\u00fcle g\u00fcle diyorum sana.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>H. Dink: <\/b>A\u00e7\u0131k Radyo dinleyicilerine de g\u00fczel bir hafta sonu dileyelim.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>E. Karaka\u015f: <\/b>Efendim, say\u0131n A\u00e7\u0131k Radyo dinleyicileri bir Cuma Rehaveti program\u0131n\u0131 daha kapat\u0131yoruz ama program\u0131 kapatmadan konu\u011fumun ada\u015f\u0131 bir alaturka \u00fcstad\u0131yla, Udi Hrant\u2019\u0131n bir eseriyle program\u0131 noktalamak istiyorum.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>H. Dink: <\/b>Aaaaaa&#8230;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>E. Karaka\u015f: <\/b>S\u00fcre ne kadar izin verirse.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>H. Dink: <\/b>Ne b\u00fcy\u00fck jest!<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b>E. Karaka\u015f: <\/b>Senin ada\u015f\u0131nla, Hrant Dink\u2019in ada\u015f\u0131 Udi Hrant\u2019\u0131n b\u00fcy\u00fck bir par\u00e7as\u0131yla program\u0131 kapat\u0131yoruz. Haftaya tekrar birlikte olmak \u00fczere iyi ak\u015famlar.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><b><i>http:\/\/www.agos.com.tr\/tr\/yazi\/12840\/biz-yasarken-de-hrant-dink-konusuyor<\/i><\/b><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>20 y\u0131ld\u0131r \u2018S\u00f6z u\u00e7ar yaz\u0131 kal\u0131r\u2019 s\u00f6z\u00fcn\u00fc, radyocu jargonuyla \u2018dirse\u011fini\u2019 frekas\u0131ndan yayan A\u00e7\u0131k Radyo, 20. ya\u015f\u0131n\u0131 kutlamak i\u00e7in haz\u0131rlanan serinin ilk kitab\u0131 olan \u2018Biz Ya\u015farken\u2019i ge\u00e7ti\u011fimiz g\u00fcnlerde Encore Yay\u0131nlar\u0131\u2019ndan yay\u0131mlad\u0131. Art\u0131k aram\u0131zda olmayan, yolu radyodan ge\u00e7mi\u015f sesleri yad eden kitaptan, 2004 y\u0131l\u0131nda Hrant Dink\u2019le yap\u0131lm\u0131\u015f bir s\u00f6yle\u015finin bir b\u00f6l\u00fcm\u00fcn\u00fc yay\u0131ml\u0131yoruz. 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