{"id":2694,"date":"2010-11-09T03:06:19","date_gmt":"2010-11-09T08:06:19","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?p=2694"},"modified":"2012-05-25T05:54:04","modified_gmt":"2012-05-25T10:54:04","slug":"dersim-eremenileri-etnografyasi-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/akunq.net\/tr\/?p=2694","title":{"rendered":"Dersim Ermenileri etnografyas\u0131 &#8211; 2"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: right;\"><strong>Gevorg\u00a0 Hala\u00e7yan<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Da\u015fta\u011f K\u00fcrt k\u00f6y\u00fcn\u00fcn halk\u0131 A\u011fucanlar o\u00e7a\u011f\u0131ndand\u0131r ve pirleri de Seyit Cafer&#8217;di.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u015een&#8217;de, Ardapert&#8217;te hatta Mamezi&#8217;de ( Mamig prens&#8217;in k\u00f6y\u00fc) Da\u015fta\u011f&#8217;l\u0131lar\u0131n, \u00f6zellikle&#8217;de Seyit Cafer&#8217;in ola\u011fan \u00fcst\u00fc zekas\u0131 ve y\u00f6neti\u00e7i yetene\u011fi konu\u015fulurdu. \u00c7ok ender rastlanan bir durum olarak, okur yazard\u0131. K\u00fcrt\u00e7enin d\u0131\u015f\u0131nda Ermenice ve t\u00fcrk\u00e7e konu\u015fabiliyordu.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Bunlar\u0131 \u00e7ok \u00f6nceleri duymu\u015ftum. Kendisi ile tan\u0131\u015fmay\u0131 \u00e7ok arzu ediyordum. Sonunda bu imkan\u0131 buldum. Ocakname Seyit biziota\u011f\u0131nda kabul etti. \u201dMab\u0131 xerdi&#8221; ile omuz \u00f6p\u00fcld\u00fc ve tan\u0131\u015fma fasl\u0131na ge\u00e7ildi.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Ard\u0131ndan anay\u0131 \u00e7a\u011f\u0131rd\u0131, kim oldu\u011fumu bildirdikten sonra g\u00f6t\u00fcr\u00fcp y\u0131kamalar\u0131n\u0131 istedi. Be\u015f ya\u015f\u0131nda bir \u00e7ocukmu\u015fum gibi teknede y\u0131k\u0131yacaklard\u0131 beni. B\u00fcy\u00fck g\u00fc\u00e7l\u00fckle s\u0131yr\u0131labildim bu badireden.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Yakla\u015f\u0131k bir ay konuk edildim.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">S\u0131k s\u0131k sohbet ediyorduk.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#8220;Pirim, okur yazar oldu\u011funu duydum, hangi dilde okuyorsun?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#8220;Ermenice ve K\u00fcrt\u00e7e&#8221;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#8220;K\u00fcrt\u00e7e harfler yok, nas\u0131l okuyorsun K\u00fcrt\u00e7eyi?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#8220;Ermenice harflerde K\u00fcrt\u00e7edeki en zor seslerin bile kar\u015f\u0131l\u0131\u011f\u0131 var&#8221;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#8220;Ermenice konu\u015fman\u0131 anlayabilirim, ama yazd\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 bilmiyordum.\u201d<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#8220;Sizin hat\u0131rlad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131z Ermenice harfli K\u00fcrt\u00e7e gramer kitab\u0131n\u0131 getirdiler bana. Hem Ermenice okumay\u0131, hem de Ermeni harfleri ile K\u00fcrt\u00e7e yazmay\u0131 \u00f6\u011frettiler. Bu da baz\u0131 durumlarda i\u015fleri y\u00f6netmeme cok yard\u0131mc\u0131 oldu&#8221;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#8220;Dini \u00f6nder olarak, Ermeni harfleri ile K\u00fcrt\u00e7e e\u011fitimi faydal\u0131 buluyorsan, son zamanlarda Dersim&#8217;de a\u00e7\u0131lan okullar\u0131n K\u00fcrtler taraf\u0131ndan yak\u0131lmas\u0131na ni\u00e7in izin verdin?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#8220;K\u00fcrtler deme itler de.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#8220;Nas\u0131l?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#8220;\u00c7ok basit, para, pul, mevki i\u00e7in T\u00fcrklere sat\u0131lm\u0131\u015f K\u00fcrtler itlerden de a\u015fa\u011f\u0131l\u0131k hainlerdir.\u201d<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#8220;Peki niye cezaland\u0131rmazs\u0131n b\u00f6ylelerini?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#8220;Arkalar\u0131nda T\u00fcrk ordusu var. \u015eu s\u0131ralar a\u015firetler aras\u0131 bir kavgan\u0131n s\u0131ras\u0131 de\u011fil. T\u00fcrk f\u0131rsat kolluyor.\u201d<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#8220;Sizin \u00f6nderi oldu\u011funuz halk\u0131nb\u00fcy\u00fck \u00e7o\u011funlu\u011fu eskiden Ermeni oldu\u011fu do\u011frumu?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#8220;Bu soruyu cevaplamak istemiyorum.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#8220;L\u00fctfen piro, benim i\u00e7in cok \u00f6nemli. Mutlak bir suskunluk i\u00e7in yemin ederim. Dervi\u015f G\u00fclabi ve Dervi\u015f Cemal ocaklar\u0131 ad\u0131na yemin ederim.\u201d<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#8220;Ger\u00e7i \u00f6yle de\u011fil ama, bir an i\u00e7in do\u011fru oldu\u011funu kabul edelim. Ermenilerin ne c\u0131kar\u0131 beklentisi olabilir t\u00fcm bunlardan?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#8220;Beklentimiz \u015fu ki, e\u011fer ger\u00e7ekten de Dersim K\u00fcrtlerinin bir k\u0131sm\u0131, \u015fartlar\u0131n zorlamas\u0131 ile ge\u00e7mi\u015fte K\u00fcrtle\u015fmi\u015f Ermeniler ise, ni\u00e7in Ermenilerin s\u00f6m\u00fcr\u00fclmesine, talan edilmesine ve k\u0131r\u0131lmas\u0131na izin veriyorsunuz?&#8221;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#8220;Bu soruyu T\u00fcrklere sat\u0131lm\u0131\u015f olan a\u015firet a\u011falar\u0131na sormal\u0131yd\u0131n. T\u00fcrk h\u00fck\u00fcmeti taraf\u0131ndan Ermenileri soymalar\u0131na, talan etmelerine, K\u00fcrt ve Ermeni \u00f6zg\u00fcrl\u00fck \u00f6zg\u00fcrl\u00fck hareketini do\u011furacak olan okullar\u0131 yakmalar\u0131na izin verilen a\u015firetlere sormal\u0131yd\u0131n, bana veya SEY\u0130T RIZA&#8217;ya de\u011fil. Onlar Ermenilerin oldu\u011fu kadar, K\u00fcrtlerinde d\u00fc\u015fmanlar\u0131d\u0131r.\u201d<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#8220;Acaba dini ac\u0131dan, a\u011falar \u00fczerinde olmasa bile, s\u0131radan halk \u00fczerinde bir etkiniz olmaz m\u0131? Neti\u00e7ede bu talan ve s\u00f6m\u00fcr\u00fcy\u00fc, a\u011falar\u0131n izni ile s\u0131radan halk yapmakta.\u201d<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#8220;Mesela ne \u015fekilde ve ne ad\u0131na konu\u015fal\u0131m? Unutmay\u0131n ki bu soygunlardan a\u011falar\u0131n yan\u0131 s\u0131ra kendileride yararlan\u0131yor&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#8220;Atalar\u0131n\u0131n Ermeni oldu\u011funu alcak sesle de olsa s\u00f6leyemezmisiniz&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u00a0&#8220;Eerzincan&#8217;da ak\u0131ll\u0131 adamlar\u0131n\u0131z var, bu fikri cimin P\u0131rg\u00e7ata\u011f, Galaris, Karta\u011f, Xoronta\u011f T\u00fcrklerine niye s\u00f6ylemiyorsunuz. Onlar\u0131n da atalar\u0131 Ermenidir. \u00dcstelik bunu biliyorlar da. Ama Ermenilere kar\u015f\u0131 K\u00fcrtlerden daha k\u0131y\u0131c\u0131lar.\u00a0 Hatta T\u00fcrkle\u015fmi\u015f Ermenilerin \u00e7o\u011fu soyad\u0131n\u0131da koruyor.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Ke\u015fi\u015fo\u011flu, Mergelo\u011flu, Toroso\u011flu, E\u011fsano\u011flu vs.\u00a0 Siz burnunuzun dibindekilerden istemedi\u011finizi bizlerden istiyorsunuz.\u201d<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#8220;O k\u00f6ylerin Ermenileri T\u00fcrkle\u015fmi\u015f ve \u0130slamiyete ge\u00e7mi\u015f d\u00f6nmelerdir. Oysa K\u00fcrtler \u0130slam de\u011fillerdir.\u201d<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#8220;\u0130slamla\u015fmi\u015flar ise niye y\u0131km\u0131yorlar Cimini veya Galaris&#8217;teki kiliselerini.\u00a0 H\u0131d\u0131r \u0130lyas ad\u0131 alt\u0131nda muhafaza ediyorlar atalar\u0131n\u0131n mabetlerini.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Vartavar bayram\u0131n\u0131 kutluyorlar. Su d\u00f6k\u00fcyorlarbirbirlerinin \u00fczerine. Hatta bir an i\u00e7in s\u00f6ylediklerinizin do\u011fru oldu\u011funu d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcnelim. E\u011fer \u015fartlar\u0131n dayatmas\u0131 sonucu, atalar\u0131m\u0131z mecburen dinlerini de\u011fi\u015ftirmi\u015f ve K\u00fcrtle\u015fmi\u015f, b\u00f6ylece hem varl\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 hemde ba\u011f\u0131ms\u0131zl\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 koruyabilmi\u015f ise, s\u00f6ylermisiniz siyasi anlamda bug\u00fcn ne fark\u0131m\u0131z var o tarihten? &#8220;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Sohbetimiz esnas\u0131nda Seyit Caferin heycandan titredi\u011fini fark ettim. Konuyu de\u011fi\u015ftirmek istedim &#8220;Saklanm\u0131\u015f kitaplar oldu\u011funu duydum piro&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Atalardan kalm\u0131\u015f emanetlermi\u015f, Ama g\u00f6rmeme izin vermediler&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#8220;Biliyorum. Bizim kitaplar\u0131m\u0131z onlar. Fakat ni\u00e7in bu kadar merakl\u0131s\u0131n\u0131z? Ara\u015ft\u0131rmalar\u0131n\u0131zla halk\u0131m\u0131z aras\u0131nda \u015f\u00fcpheye yol a\u00e7\u0131yorsunuz.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Duydu\u011fuma g\u00f6re Ga\u011fnud ma\u011faralar\u0131nda bir kitapl\u0131k g\u00f6rm\u00fc\u015fs\u00fcn.\u00a0 Kitaplar\u0131 g\u00f6rmene izin vermemi\u015fler. Ama s\u0131rf merak\u0131n\u0131 gidermen i\u00e7in ma\u011faray\u0131 g\u00f6stermi\u015fler. Sen de yanl\u0131\u015f yapm\u0131\u015fs\u0131n, yeminlerine ihanet edip seni oraya g\u00f6t\u00fcrenlerde&#8221;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#8220;Bir kitap veya ka\u011f\u0131t i\u00e7in ne kadar hassas\u0131n\u0131z&#8221;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#8220;Atalar\u0131m\u0131z \u00e7ok zekiymi\u015f. Kitaplar\u0131 koruyabilmek i\u00e7in dinsel anlamda ant i\u00e7irmi\u015fler insanlara. Aksi taktirde, avam\u0131n elinde bunlar zarar g\u00f6rebilir, yak\u0131labilirdi.\u00a0 Allah da\u0131na, Hazireti H\u0131d\u0131r, Hazireti Ali, \u0130mam H\u00fcseyin, H\u0131d\u0131r \u0130lyas ad\u0131na yemin ederek, korumaya alm\u0131\u015flar. Bunlar atalar\u0131m\u0131z\u0131n miras\u0131d\u0131r, pirlerin, ocaklar\u0131n korumas\u0131ndad\u0131rlar. El s\u00fcrenler derhal cezaland\u0131r\u0131l\u0131r. Oca\u011f\u0131n piri, rehberi, seyidi d\u0131\u015f\u0131nda kimse onlar\u0131 evinde saklayamaz.\u00a0 Bunlar\u0131 pirinden saklayana y\u0131ld\u0131r\u0131m \u00e7arpar. Pirlerin b\u00fcy\u00fck o\u011fullar\u0131 d\u0131\u015f\u0131nda kimsenin bunlar\u0131n varl\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 bilmeye dahi hakk\u0131 yoktur. Bu yassaklar\u0131 ihlal edenler, yerini T\u00fcrklere, hatta dostumuz Ermenilere s\u00f6yleyenler a\u015firet taraf\u0131ndan cezaland\u0131r\u0131l\u0131r. Ocaktan kovulur. Bunlar\u0131 satmaya kalkanlara \u00f6l\u00fcm cezas\u0131 verilir. Bu ka\u011f\u0131tlar Hazireti Ali, \u0130mam H\u00fcseyin veya Hazireti H\u0131d\u0131r Pire Piranlar\u0131n okumas\u0131na izin verene kadar gizli kalacaklar. Buda ancak\u00a0 T\u00fcrklerin boyunduru\u011fundan kurtuldu\u011fumuz,\u00a0 \u00f6zg\u00fcr \u00fclkemize kavu\u015ftu\u011fumuz g\u00fcn olacakt\u0131r.\u201d<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">G\u00f6r\u00fcld\u00fc\u011f\u00fc gibi, Seyit Cafer bu gelene\u011fin as\u0131rlar boyunca nas\u0131l bir duyarl\u0131l\u0131kla babadan o\u011fula aktar\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 anlat\u0131yordu. Ufak bir ihmal, bir bo\u015f vermi\u015flikfelaketlere yol acabilrdi. Kime aitti o kitaplar?Hangi dille yazm\u0131\u015flard\u0131? Ben bilmiyorum.\u00a0 Sizinde bilmemeniz daha hay\u0131rl\u0131 olur.\u00a0 Ta ki o g\u00fcn gelip de ortaya \u00e7\u0131kana kadar. Tanr\u0131n\u0131n inayeti ile \u00f6nderleri onlar\u0131 yazd\u0131klar\u0131 dilde okuyabilsinler. Art\u0131k bu konuda daha fazla konu\u015fmak gereksizdi.\u201d son bir soru daha&#8221;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#8220;S\u00f6yle bakal\u0131m, \u015fimdi ne yumurlayacaks\u0131n&#8221;.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#8220;Derlerki Der Simon ad\u0131ndaki Ermeni piri, Celali ak\u0131nlar\u0131 zaman\u0131nda,\u00a0 1604-1606 y\u0131llar\u0131nda k\u0131r\u0131mdan kurtulmak i\u00e7in &#8220;talp&#8221;lar\u0131yla(cemaati)ile birlikte K\u00fcrt olmu\u015f vecemaatin karar\u0131n\u0131 ceylan derisine yaz\u0131p, seninde dedi\u011fin gibi, pire piran\u0131n g\u00f6rece\u011fi d\u00fc\u015fe kadar s\u0131r olarak saklanmas\u0131n\u0131 buyurmu\u015f.\u201d<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">&#8220;Madem ki herhangi bir \u015fekilde \u00f6\u011frenmi\u015fsin bunlar\u0131, \u015fartlar\u0131da biliyorsun, daha niye soruyorsun? Bana yeminimi bozdurmakm\u0131 istiyorsun?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">Benim haberim yok, g\u00f6rmemi\u015fim, bilmem. Belki de duymu\u015fumdur sadece. B\u00f6ylesi s\u0131rlar birine teslim edildi\u011finde yeminde ettirilir. konu\u015fmam\u0131z b\u00f6ylece son buldu<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">\u00a0<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Dersim Eremenileri etnografyas\u0131<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>Ermeni bilimler Akademisi Yay\u0131n\u0131, Yerevan, 1973. <\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\"><strong>\u00c7eviren Miran P\u0131rgic G\u00fcltekin <\/strong><strong>\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify;\">S. 250 &#8211; 252:<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Gevorg\u00a0 Hala\u00e7yan Da\u015fta\u011f K\u00fcrt k\u00f6y\u00fcn\u00fcn halk\u0131 A\u011fucanlar o\u00e7a\u011f\u0131ndand\u0131r ve pirleri de Seyit Cafer&#8217;di. \u015een&#8217;de, Ardapert&#8217;te hatta Mamezi&#8217;de ( Mamig prens&#8217;in k\u00f6y\u00fc) Da\u015fta\u011f&#8217;l\u0131lar\u0131n, \u00f6zellikle&#8217;de Seyit Cafer&#8217;in ola\u011fan \u00fcst\u00fc zekas\u0131 ve y\u00f6neti\u00e7i yetene\u011fi konu\u015fulurdu. \u00c7ok ender rastlanan bir durum olarak, okur yazard\u0131. K\u00fcrt\u00e7enin d\u0131\u015f\u0131nda Ermenice ve t\u00fcrk\u00e7e konu\u015fabiliyordu. Bunlar\u0131 \u00e7ok \u00f6nceleri duymu\u015ftum. 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